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Man Awake, Talking After 47-Story Fall
By DAVID B. CARUSO,
Posted: 2008-01-04 11:19:48
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NEW YORK (Jan. 3) - Doctors say they have never seen anything like it: A window washer who fell 47 stories from the roof of a Manhattan skyscraper is now awake, talking to his family and expected to walk again.

Alcides Moreno, 37, plummeted almost 500 feet in a Dec. 7 scaffolding collapse that killed his brother.

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Rosario Moreno, center, is the wife of Alcides Moreno, a window washer who has made a stunning recovery after plunging 47 stories from a New York skyscraper. "Thank God for the miracle that we had," she said. "He keeps telling me that it just wasn't his time."
Somehow, Moreno lived, and doctors at New York-Presbyterian Hospital/Weill Cornell Medical Center announced Thursday that his recovery has been astonishing.

He has movement in all his limbs. He is breathing on his own. And on Christmas Day, he opened his mouth and spoke for the first time since the accident.

His wife, Rosario Moreno, cried as she thanked the doctors and nurses who kept him alive.

"Thank God for the miracle that we had," she said. "He keeps telling me that it just wasn't his time."

Dr. Herbert Pardes, the hospital's president, described Moreno's condition when he arrived for treatment as "a complete disaster."

Both legs and his right arm and wrist were broken in several places. He had severe injuries to his chest, his abdomen and his spinal column. His brain was bleeding. Everything was bleeding, it seemed.

In those first critical hours, doctors pumped 24 units of donated blood into his body - about twice his entire blood volume.

They gave him plasma and platelets and a drug to stimulate clotting and stop the hemorrhaging. They inserted a catheter into his brain to reduce swelling and cut open his abdomen to relieve pressure on his organs.

Moreno was at the edge of consciousness when he was brought in. Doctors sedated him, performed a tracheotomy and put him on a ventilator.

His condition was so unstable, doctors worried that even a mild jostle might kill him, so they performed his first surgery without moving him to an operating room.

Nine orthopedic operations followed to piece together his broken body.

Yet, even when things were at their worst, the hospital's staff marveled at his luck.

Incredibly, Moreno's head injuries were relatively minor for a fall victim. Neurosurgeon John Boockvar said the window washer also managed to avoid a paralyzing spinal cord injury, even though he suffered a shattered vertebra.

"If you are a believer in miracles, this would be one," said the hospital's chief of surgery, Dr. Philip Barie.

New York-Presbyterian has treated people who have tumbled from great heights before, including a patient who survived a 19-story fall, but most of those tales end sadly.

The death rate from even a three-story fall is about 50 percent, Barie said. People who fall more than 10 stories almost never survive.

"Forty-seven floors is virtually beyond belief," Pardes said.

Science may never be able to explain what protected Moreno when the platform he and his brother were using atop an Upper East Side apartment tower broke free and fell to the ground.

Edgar Moreno, 30, of Linden N.J., died instantly. He was buried in Ecuador, where the brothers are from.

Alcides Moreno, whom his wife described as strong and athletic, may have clung to his scaffolding platform as it dropped. It is possible that the metal platform offered him some protection, although doctors said they were unsure how.

An investigation into the cause of the accident continues.

Rosario Moreno said that her husband remembers little of the fall but that he didn't need to be told his brother had died.

The injured window washer spent about three weeks on a ventilator, unable to speak, and initially his only means of communication was by touch.

"He wanted to touch my face, touch my hair," Rosario Moreno said.

She would take his hand and hold it to her skin. Then, one day, he reached out and touched one of the nurses.

Rosario Moreno said that when she heard about it, she jokingly lectured her husband to keep his hands to himself. He answered in English, "What did I do?"

"It stunned me," she said, "because I didn't know he could speak."

There is still a rough road ahead for the tough New Jersey man, a father of three children, ages 14, 8 and 6.

He was scheduled to undergo another spinal surgery on Friday, and he will need another operation to reconstruct his abdominal wall. There is a chance he could develop complications, even life-threatening ones, during the months ahead.

Moreno will remain in the hospital for at least a few more weeks, doctors said. After that, he will need extensive physical rehabilitation. It may be another year before doctors know how much he will improve.

The medical staff was guarded Thursday about his prospects for returning to a normal life. Doctors said they believe he will walk, but they also suggested that some of his injuries are likely to be lifelong.

"We're optimistic for a very substantial recovery, eventually," Barie said

Rosario Moreno said she knows this much for sure: His days as a window washer are over. "I told him, 'You're not going back to work there,'" she said.

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That is simply....amazing. Now, most of this is luck, but how much of this can be attributed to modern medicine?
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FaxModem1 wrote:That is simply....amazing. Now, most of this is luck, but how much of this can be attributed to modern medicine?
Well, they kept him alive and treated his injuries, but the inexplicable thing is how he avoided serious injury in the first place.
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yes this guy lived while the other man, his own brother, that fell with him is dead from the fall. How do you explain that?
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Do we have a luckiest man alive award or does this qualify for BAMF Award?
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You know the other guy? Hit a metal fence, split in half.
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Isolder74 wrote:yes this guy lived while the other man, his own brother, that fell with him is dead from the fall. How do you explain that?
Note that his wife said:

"Thank God for the miracle that we had," she said. "He keeps telling me that it just wasn't his time."

Wonder what they said to the family of the deceased man. I guess God wasn't with him, unlike this man. Or something.

Yes, it may be callus or impolitic to bring it up, but I utterly hate it when people ascribe unlikely survival despite horrendous accidents or otherwise lethal conditions and the like to divine intervention. Where was God for his brother, I'd like to ask?
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God didn't want to touch the iron fence. Free will, fuckers!
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Perhaps there should be a second category of Darwin Awards. Awards for those who survive what should be certain death. If not through intelligence, then at least through something that can be traced back to the person whose life is threatened, as it shows that apparently he/she/it has some trait that allowed him to survive in an environment that would normally weed out most others.
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More likely it wasn't something special about him, but rather the circumstances - the scaffolding might have soaked up some or most of the force of impact, for example. Also, modern medicine is an essential factor here - 150 years ago he'd be dead simply due to inability to transfuse blood, much less relieving brain pressure and all the other things required.
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Isolder74 wrote:Do we have a luckiest man alive award or does this qualify for BAMF Award?
The only people here worthy of being termed "BAMF"s are the hard-working folks at hospital and their heroic efforts at saving this man's life. Transfusing in twice his blood volume, giving him lots of drugs, and ten operations to save his life and put him back together again, not including the minimum of two additional operations, possible medical complications, infections, and the grueling physical therapy and rehab he'll have to face.

This guy's just incredibly lucky to be alive in an era where medical science has progressed to the point where it'd be possible to attempt to save him. If this happened possibly even a couple decades earlier, he'd be a very dead man.
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"If you are a believer in miracles, this would be one," said the hospital's chief of surgery, Dr. Philip Barie.

New York-Presbyterian has treated people who have tumbled from great heights before, including a patient who survived a 19-story fall, but most of those tales end sadly.

The death rate from even a three-story fall is about 50 percent, Barie said. People who fall more than 10 stories almost never survive.

"Forty-seven floors is virtually beyond belief," Pardes said.

Science may never be able to explain what protected Moreno when the platform he and his brother were using atop an Upper East Side apartment tower broke free and fell to the ground.
This is what I hate about the media. For all the talk about "liberal secular media", they seem awfully eager to print religious bullshit. That last paragraph is absolutely disgusting. Who the fuck says anything "protected" him? It's not the first time someone has survived a long fall, and it won't be the last. It doesn't mean that there was some magical "protection" around him; it's much more likely that he was lucky enough to land with his body in the ideal orientation, and that his fall and/or deceleration at the end may have been mitigated in some way by other circumstances such as the way that the debris from the platform fell with him, the kind of surface he landed on, etc.
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GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:Do we have a luckiest man alive award or does this qualify for BAMF Award?
The only people here worthy of being termed "BAMF"s are the hard-working folks at hospital and their heroic efforts at saving this man's life. Transfusing in twice his blood volume, giving him lots of drugs, and ten operations to save his life and put him back together again, not including the minimum of two additional operations, possible medical complications, infections, and the grueling physical therapy and rehab he'll have to face.

This guy's just incredibly lucky to be alive in an era where medical science has progressed to the point where it'd be possible to attempt to save him. If this happened possibly even a couple decades earlier, he'd be a very dead man.
Indeed. Its not like he fell and walked away, he's been in a coma for a MONTH and only just woke up. He's got a lot of recovery to go.
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Darth Wong wrote:it's much more likely that he was lucky enough to land with his body in the ideal orientation, and that his fall and/or deceleration at the end may have been mitigated in some way by other circumstances such as the way that the debris from the platform fell with him, the kind of surface he landed on, etc.
Yep, all it would have taken to kill him outright would be for him to have hit head first. Chance saved him at the outset, and then medicine kept him alive. But who knows, he may yet die due to complications.

As I said above, I loathe this sort of magic talk when someone survives what should likely kill him or her. But, it seems almost rote that someone says it was through the grace of God or some other nonsense when these incidents happen.
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So he is the current Luckiest Man Alive. The LMA Award.
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People have surived falling tens of thousands of feet. It's all odd: SOMEONE has to survive occassionally. Blowing it out of proportion as some 'miracle' is just ignorance.
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I wish more people understood that above a certain number, it becomes totally academic how far you fell, because you reach terminal velocity.
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Is 500ft far enough? I was going to mention it, but I realised I had no idea how far it required.
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Stark wrote:People have surived falling tens of thousands of feet. It's all odd: SOMEONE has to survive occassionally. Blowing it out of proportion as some 'miracle' is just ignorance.
Like that airline stewardess that hijackers shoved out the door - she survived the fall, as she landed in some nice, soft snow.
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Stark wrote:Is 500ft far enough? I was going to mention it, but I realised I had no idea how far it required.
I've never bothered looking into it either (I was thinking primarily of those "parachute doesn't open, skydiver survives" stories). But I seem to recall that terminal velocity for a person is roughly 50 m/s, which means that the lower limit for the acceleration time would be roughly 5 seconds. In 5 seconds at 1G downward acceleration, you'd cover roughly 125m, or slightly more than 400 feet.

Mind you, your rate of acceleration would presumably decrease as you approach terminal velocity so this is, as stated earlier, more of a lower limit than a firm estimate. In order to do a proper estimate, you'd want to find out the coefficient of drag for a person (presumably with his arms and legs outstretched), then plug that into the aerodynamic resistance force formula which I don't recall off-hand, but which is buried in my old textbooks somewhere. Then you'd want to integrate it.

But without bothering to do that work, if the lower limit is around 400 feet, I don't think it would sound too unreasonable to guess that you're at or near terminal velocity at 500 feet.
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Its in no way scientific but from when I was skydiving we usually reached terminal after roughly 15 seconds and a drop of between 1000 and 1200ft. Obviously it is hughly variable based on how you come out of the plane, winds aloft, and a bunch of other minor factors but that is the rough fudge fator we used. Still that's also intending to fall and doing so in a controlled manner that is intended to prolong the fall (at least during early jumps) so apply that with great caution to anything else.

Addendum to that. For the jump configuration we used when I was jumping terminal veolcity was approximately 120mph or 53.6 m/s. You can go faster or slower based on how you configure your body but that was our normal descent speed.
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Keep in mind, too, that your body position can significantly affect terminal velocity. The traditional "spread eagle" position used in free-fall by skydivers is usually said to have a terminal velocity of around 190 km/hour, but if you're oriented to fall feet first or head first (to minimize drag) terminal velocity can be over 300 km/hour or more.

That said - I've heard from both ER docs and aviation types that unbroken/cushioned falls over 20 feet are quite likely to be fatal. You don't need terminal velocity to cause enough injury to result in death. Surviving anything higher usually requires some mechanism to mitigate the sudden stop at the end (and no, I'm not referring to divine intervention).
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Stark wrote:People have surived falling tens of thousands of feet. It's all odd: SOMEONE has to survive occassionally. Blowing it out of proportion as some 'miracle' is just ignorance.
I'm curious; it's not like it's proof of God's existence or anything.

Really, who gives a shit what they attribute it to? They're probably just batshit that he's alive to begin with... :wtf:
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Bah, insta-post for the lose. I meant to ask, "Is it really reasonable to hold it against them?"
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Ryan Thunder wrote:Really, who gives a shit what they attribute it to?
Don't be a moron. Crediting God for "medical miracles" takes the credit away from the people most legitimately responsible: the people who performed the various procedures necessary to keep this man alive.
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