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Leathal Injection Story
High court to weigh in on lethal injection
By Joan Biskupic, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court will hear arguments Monday on whether a common lethal injection method is unconstitutional. The case, which has prompted a temporary halt in executions, comes at a crucial time for capital punishment nationwide.
The dispute from Kentucky tests standards for when a method of execution is cruel and unusual punishment under the Eighth Amendment. Although the basic constitutionality of capital punishment is not at issue, the case has galvanized larger questions about the death penalty.

Executions in 2007 dropped to a 13-year low of 42, largely because states began putting executions on hold soon after the justices announced they would hear the Kentucky case. Thirty-five of the 36 states that permit capital punishment carry out executions with a lethal drug combination.

In 2007, 110 defendants were sentenced to die, the lowest number since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. At the end of 2007, New Jersey became the first state to pass a law abolishing the death penalty in more than 40 years.

The tenor of the national debate over capital punishment has shifted dramatically. In the 1990s, the federal government and states worked to expand the crimes that qualified for the ultimate punishment and to limit prisoner appeals of sentences.

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Then, in the late 1990s, new concerns about potentially innocent death row inmates began to emerge because of DNA testing. In the early 2000s, the Supreme Court began looking more closely at problems in the system and threw out some death sentences based on concerns about defense lawyers' competence. The justices also invalidated death sentences for mentally retarded defendants and for offenders who were younger than 18 at the time of their crimes.

'Unprecedented' scrutiny

Death penalty critics hope that the new case, which revolves around a particular three-drug lethal injection, provokes a larger examination of capital punishment. The current de facto moratorium on executions is the first since the Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty.

"When people aren't rushing to execute, there is more opportunity for debate on the death penalty generally," says Deborah Denno, a Fordham University law professor who has tracked capital punishment and supports the prisoners who say the lethal injection mix causes unnecessary suffering. "The heightened scrutiny is unprecedented. There is less trust now in departments of corrections and what happens" during injections.

Numerous challenges to lethal injection are pending nationwide. Many, like the Kentucky case, focus on the drugs used, but some also allege that unqualified execution teams can botch the procedure.

Some state officials want no slowdown on death row. A group of 20 states — led by Texas, the top death penalty state — is backing Kentucky in defense of its lethal drug combination.

If the prisoners' challenge succeeds, Texas Solicitor General Ted Cruz wrote, the ruling would "profoundly impact the administration of criminal justice. … Lethal-injection procedures used throughout the country would likely have to be substantially revised."

The condemned prisoners whose appeal is before the justices are Ralph Baze, who in 1992 murdered a sheriff and his deputy, and Thomas Bowling, who in 1990 shot and killed a couple and wounded their 2-year-old son after crashing into the family's car.

Kentucky's mix involves thiopental, intended to make the prisoner unconscious; pancuronium, to prevent muscle reactions; and potassium, which stops the heart.

David Barron, an assistant public advocate representing Baze and Bowling, contends that although states chose the injection method as part of a "continuing quest to find a more humane means of killing," it is actually "less humane than intended."

He says prisoners may suffer torturous pain and agonizing death if not properly anesthetized but will appear serene and unable to alert anyone to their pain.

In his written brief, Barron told the justices that the method has "led directly to botched executions."

He cites Florida's 2006 execution of Angel Diaz, who seemed to receive an inadequate dose of thiopental and began gasping during an ordeal that lasted 34 minutes — more than twice as long as a typical execution.

Barron urged the court to rule that the Eighth Amendment is violated when an execution method creates "a significant and unnecessary risk of … pain that could be prevented" with safeguards.

Kentucky officials say inmates should have to show "a substantial risk" of suffering to successfully challenge an execution method.

Animals treated better?

State lawyer Jeffrey Middendorf, who argued the case against the prisoners in lower court, tells the justices in his brief that under the prisoners' approach, any method "that does not minimize the risk" of pain could be unconstitutional. Kentucky's stance, backed by the U.S. Justice Department, generally would require no further examination into what happens during lethal injections.

Under the prisoners' approach, states likely would have to further research the drugs' effects.

Lawyers for the New York-based Human Rights Watch, siding with the prisoners, say that though lethal injection "evokes the euphemistic 'putting to sleep' characterization of animal euthanasia … the reality is considerably less predictable and, at times … torture."

Also backing the prisoners are a group of physicians and clinical ethicists who say pancuronium can mask the physical signs of pain and a group of veterinarians who say Kentucky's mix would not meet the minimum standards for the humane euthanasia of animals.

Death penalty supporters dispute the uncertainty of the chemicals' effect and urge the court to rule with a definiteness that allows executions to resume.

Kent Scheidegger of the Sacramento-based Criminal Justice Legal Foundation told the justices, "This case should be decided in a way that brings this chapter to a close, not in a way that creates a moving target for a permanent new round of litigation in capital cases."

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Lethal injection is enormously inhumane and I cannot support it. The probing for the veins, the strapping the offender down in full restraints, is a process which can easily take thirty minutes during which they're fully aware of their impending death. Helpless, unable to move, to resist, their bodies poked and prodded with needles, they suffer systematic psychological torture on every level possible before the drugs come in, and frequently do not drive them into full unconsciousness, leaving their bodies fighting for awareness, helpless and pinned down, for another good twenty minutes in many cases, before succumbing to the cruel cocktail that we also use on animals, well below human dignity.

The only really humane forms of execution are the firing squad and the noose. Both allow the offender personal mental composure in their final minutes, which are painless until the volley or the drop. In both cases the director of operations should be provided, however, with a pistol for the coup de grace to be delivered immediately (without checking to see whether or not the offender is still alive) in all cases to guarantee an end within a minute of ten or fifteen seconds, rather than a half an hour of systematic degregation and psychological torture. That those few seconds are extremely pain would scarcely be an issue, such neurological impulses quickly silenced, and with them the consciousness, instead of the systematic torture of being awake, aware, fully retrained, for tens and tens of minutes, while your body is prodded with the needles that will put you down, helpless to face your fate as a last act in life as anything other than a drugged piece of meat, whereas the individual facing the firing squad or the noose can find their last hour, instead of in a process of sustained psychological torture, in a process of finding composure whose value well exceeds the avoiding of a few seconds of sharp pain that such procedures merely induce (and sustained suffering, if there was a finishing shot, is impossible).

We must get rid of this trash for the sake of society, but let them have their opportunity to nonetheless die on their feet, composed and alert. They do not deserve the systematic degregration and torture that the nominally "humane" process of lethal injection puts them through; nobody does.
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Speaking of, the US state of New Jersey banned use of the death penalty just last month. Didn't see it posted here, so:
New Jersey bans death penalty

December 18, 2007 - 6:39AM

New Jersey became the first US state in four decades to abolish the death penalty.

The bill, signed by Governor Jon Corzine and approved last week by the state's Assembly and Senate, replaces the death sentence with life in prison without parole.

The measure spares eight men on the state's death row. Corzine signed orders commuting their sentences to life in prison without parole.

Among the eight spared is Jesse Timmendequas, a sex offender who murdered 7-year-old Megan Kanka in 1994. That case sparked the creation in New Jersey and elsewhere of Megan's Laws, which requires law enforcement agencies to notify the public about convicted sex offenders living in their communities.

Although New Jersey reinstated the death penalty in 1982 - six years after the US Supreme Court allowed states to resume executions - it has not executed anyone since 1963.

A special state commission found in January that the death penalty was a more expensive sentence than life in prison, has not deterred murder, and risks killing an innocent person.
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If I had to come up with a more humane method, I'd create an air-sealed room, possibly with a nice view. There would be a comfy chair, snacks and various forms of entertainment. Over the course of a couple hours, the oxygen level in the room would gradually be reduced to levels that cannot sustain life.

As far as I understand it, hypoxia creates a sense of euphoria and that along with the other distractions should make a stress-free death.
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If you're sentenced to death, can you REQUEST a different form of communication? Even before reading Marina's post, I'd long ago concluded I'd rather be expertly hanged or shot.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Lethal injection is enormously inhumane and I cannot support it.
With all fairness marina, screw you. If it's good enough and humane enough for dogs, and ferrets (I had to hold christina while they injected her, due to a huge tumor that was untreatable); it's good enough for psychopaths.

This is just a legalist end run being attempted by the anti death penalty people - if we can't ban the death penalty, we'll ban the METHOD used to put people to death.
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If it's good enough and humane enough for dogs, and ferrets (I had to hold christina while they injected her, due to a huge tumor that was untreatable); it's good enough for psychopaths.
Actually people have intelligence which is the prime cause of mental stress here. Dogs who are injected do not necessarily know they are about to die; people do for sure.

I'd prefer being killed in such a fashion that I'd either didn't even know about it (intoxicated in my sleep possibly), or by a firing squad - painful, but short.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Lethal injection is enormously inhumane and I cannot support it.
I'd support hanging as well; its the only environmentally responsible way. It makes full use of infinitely renewable resources - ropes, trees and criminals.
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MKSheppard wrote:I had to hold christina while they injected her, due to a huge tumor that was untreatable
That must have been a horrible experience.
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I've never understood why they don't just give them a fuckton of morphine. I mean the whole reason for lethal injection isn't "more humane for prisoners", it's for people who support execution but probably wouldn't if the method used were more disturbing.

Of course there are plenty of other ways to achieve executions without undue pain and suffering. How about one of those air pistons they use for slaughtering cattle? How about general anesthesia, then decapitation? But those would be too disturbing for the public at large, wouldn't they?

Or we could just join with the rest of the civilized world and get rid of the death penalty altogether.
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That's why lethal injection sucks. It's complicated, expensive and doesn't actually do what it's supposed to, ie reduce suffering. If you didn't care about criminals etc, it's still a drawn-out waste of resources.

To be honest I think it's supported as 'humane' or 'modern' because firing squads are communist and hanging is British. Style, not functionality.
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Stark wrote:hanging is British.
Thankfully we've banned the death penalty.

Ignoring my opposition to the death penalty, if it were absolutely vital to execute people I think the overdose of morphine sounds like a reasonable way to do it to me. Pretty hard to screw up and no pain.
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You might say you've banned it, but Americans know that if they start using Imperial execution methods King George will just come right in and take over. :)

Just like how firing squads are 'evil' because China and other 'evil' regimes do it.
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As people have noted, the simpler method is just to, you know, not execute people. That way we don't have to worry about the pain, and it has the added benefit of allowing us to reverse our mistake when it turns out the cops grabbed the wrong black guy.
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Stark wrote:You might say you've banned it, but Americans know that if they start using Imperial execution methods King George will just come right in and take over. :)

Just like how firing squads are 'evil' because China and other 'evil' regimes do it.
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I know all of the intellectual reasons to oppose the death penalty. But there will always be interest in it, because of news stories like this. Every time I see a news story like that, my first impulse is always "fry that fucker".
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HemlockGrey wrote:As people have noted, the simpler method is just to, you know, not execute people. That way we don't have to worry about the pain, and it has the added benefit of allowing us to reverse our mistake when it turns out the cops grabbed the wrong black guy.
There are some people for whom the supreme penalty is necessary and appropriate in society. I simply don't endorse how it is carried out currently, regarding lethal injection as a gross inhumanity. I'd suggest that in addition to extending the process of automatic appeals, a special federal investigative branch should review all death penalty cases as an impartial outside observer to the process, which can intervene to halt executions, and as a final measure, in addition to a jury and judge concurring on the death penalty, there must follow a panel of behavioural science experts who agree that the subject is completely incapable of ever functioning in society again and can make no conceivable worthwhile contributions from prison.

Then, you take them out into the prison exercise yard, offer them a blindfold and a cigarette, and deliver them to the afterlife with a seven-man firing squad.
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Personally, I could support the death penalty if there were more stringent evidence standards for it. The problem I have with it remains that we keep seeing how horribly bad the system is when it comes to getting the verdict wrong, and there's no takebacks on a lethal chemical cocktail.

Or a bullet to the brain, which has alot of advantages.
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Well that's it: I'm anti-death penalty myself. But in the case of utter frothing loony guys who are always going to be a menace to society, it's better than locking them up for their whole lives. I would never encourage it's use as a penalty, but I think it should be an option for the truly dangerous.
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There are certain individuals who contain no shred of humanity, who if free will continue to rape, steal and murder as they need to survive. For such people there can be no sentence but death.

However I am odd-ball, because I always support the death penalty in any case when the total number of years in prisons exceeds total life span by at least 20%.

For example if you are 20 years old and get 120+ years of prison sentence? Death penalty

If you are sixty years old and receive a sixty year sentence?
Death penalty

I do not support my tax dollars sentence prisoners to die by old age, rather by injection, the chair or even better the rope or the firing squad.(FYI the simple calculation is 100 years expected life span, if they are convicted at 50 for 63 or more, they die, if 20 for 120 years they die) I'm ruthless rationalist about things like that.
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Darth Wong wrote:I know all of the intellectual reasons to oppose the death penalty. But there will always be interest in it, because of news stories like this. Every time I see a news story like that, my first impulse is always "fry that fucker".
I remember getting into an argument with someone about the death penalty several years ago, and he issued the standard "Well, what if it was someone in your family that was killed!" line that the pro-death crowd uses. My answer was "I'd want to kill the fucker, of course. I'd want to burn the cocksucker alive after skinning his dick. And that's why I'm opposed to the death penalty".
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The death penalty is worthless as a deterrant, but I think it may have a role in many situations where it just isn't worth eternally incarcerating a psychopath. It shouldn't always be on the table, but it should be an option.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote: There are some people for whom the supreme penalty is necessary and appropriate in society. I simply don't endorse how it is carried out currently, regarding lethal injection as a gross inhumanity. I'd suggest that in addition to extending the process of automatic appeals, a special federal investigative branch should review all death penalty cases as an impartial outside observer to the process, which can intervene to halt executions, and as a final measure, in addition to a jury and judge concurring on the death penalty, there must follow a panel of behavioural science experts who agree that the subject is completely incapable of ever functioning in society again and can make no conceivable worthwhile contributions from prison.
Then humor me as to how Norway is able to rehabilitate chainsaw murderers, child molesters, rapist, etc with just a 21 year sentence on Bostoy(sp?) Island which is open to the public to vacation on :shock:

Is it just the way we sensationalize everything or are the Norwegians crazy?

Well good thing I live in Michigan where we don't have the death penalty and thus the wrongly convicted aren't going to die.
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Wanderer wrote: Then humor me as to how Norway is able to rehabilitate chainsaw murderers, child molesters, rapist, etc with just a 21 year sentence on Bostoy(sp?) Island which is open to the public to vacation on :shock:

Is it just the way we sensationalize everything or are the Norwegians crazy?

Well good thing I live in Michigan where we don't have the death penalty and thus the wrongly convicted aren't going to die.
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Stark wrote:The death penalty is worthless as a deterrant, but I think it may have a role in many situations where it just isn't worth eternally incarcerating a psychopath. It shouldn't always be on the table, but it should be an option.
If the guy is a psychopath in the clinical meaning, then put him in a rubber room and study him so we can get a little more understanding of the condition. And this way he won't get the chance to shank someone in the yard.
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