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Hospitals and Superbugs: Go in Sick... Get Sicker

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Things to look forward to:
  • Global recession
    Peak oil
    Climate change
    Danger of nuclear war
What am I forgetting? Oh that's right, a return to pre-antibiotic plagues and suffering.

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Nearly 100,000 people die every year from bugs that they pick up in health care facilities; experts say most of these infections are preventable

By Coco Ballantyne

CAN HOSPITALS MAKE YOU SICK?: Healthcare facilities are supposed to be places to go to get well, but who knew they could actually make you sicker?
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Kat Gehrke, 25, had no idea that delivering her first baby would lead to the biggest nightmare of her life. On July 5, 2006, Gehrke had a cesarean section at Indian River Memorial Hospital in Vero Beach, Fla.—after more than 20 hours of labor her cervix had not dilated more than 1.6 inches (four centimeters). The procedure seemed to go off without a hitch, and her doctor sent her and new daughter Kaylie home after just two days in the hospital.

All seemed fine, except "my temperature never went back to normal after surgery," Gehrke says. During her first few days at home, she had a low-grade fever that hovered around 100 degrees Fahrenheit (38 degrees Celsius) and she noticed a lump had formed below her incision. By the fourth day, the lump had ballooned to the size of a lime, her fever had jumped to 103 degrees F and her incision was intensely painful. "It was like someone had taken a burning match and stuck it inside" the cut skin, Gehrke says. She immediately went to see her doctor, who took out the staples (as is customary a few days after a C-section) and examined the growing bulge under the wound. He dismissed the pain as normal and prescribed antibiotics for what he diagnosed as a breast infection based on a nickel-size lump that he felt in one breast. But he was wrong. "I didn't have a breast infection at all," Gehrke says, noting that the breast lump was merely a clogged milk duct (common in women who nurse).

A few days later, part of the incision burst open, releasing so much blood and fluid that "the entire [bathroom] floor was soaked in blood," Gehrke says. "My grandma took two beach towels to sop it all up."

Gehrke's grandfather rushed her to Indian River Memorial's emergency room where doctors and nurses cleaned the wound and packed it with gauze to allow for drainage. They sent a sample of the fluid to the hospital lab for analysis and called Gehrke's ob/gyn to inform him that the infection was probably caused by the bacterium Escherichia coli. Gehrke's ob/gyn prescribed sulfa antibiotics, which are commonly used to treat E. coli infections. Two days later, the lab results came back, revealing that Gehrke did not have E. coli, but rather a staphylococcus, or staph, infection caused by methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), a potent bacterium that has developed resistance to most of the old standby antibiotics, making it difficult to treat and potentially fatal.

MRSA causes some 94,000 invasive infections in the U.S. each year, resulting in almost 19,000 deaths—more than those caused by human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)
—said a study published this week in JAMA The Journal of the American Medical Association. And "the majority of these cases appeared to be health care–acquired," says Elizabeth Bancroft, a medical epidemiologist with the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health and author of an editorial that accompanied the study.

Learning the infection was MRSA, Gehrke's gynecologist immediately switched her to a stronger antibiotic and put her on bed rest; nurses from the Visiting Nurses Association came to her house daily to pack the wound in gauze and check her vital signs. But the swelling remained and the wound continued to ooze pus.

After three months of this, the wound still had not healed. At the advice of her ob/gyn's partner (who was filling in for her doctor that day), Gehrke went to see doctors at Indian River Hospital's wound care facility. They told her she needed a second operation to remove the tissue destroyed by the infection. Surgeons reopened her incision and discovered a festering infection that had caused extensive damage. It was "like looking at a hole in your belly [that is] seven inches wide and six-and-a-half inches deep," she recalled in an interview with ScientificAmerican.com. After the operation, Gehrke stopped seeing her ob/gyn, but continued to be treated by the wound care physicians and visiting nurses. She says she was mostly bedridden for another three months because it was painful to move while attached to a wound V.A.C., a suction device that aids healing by vacuuming pus, blood and other fluids.
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MRSA and such are a concern; but not some middle aged plague. Staph Areus is in most people a normal flora, which simply means its always on you. Healthcare facilities seem to cause it only because that's where both cross contamination is previlent and where people's bodies are sick and unable to keep the staph arus in check anymore.

However; the two major reasons it perpetuates is lazy doctors who don't take samples and send to labs and instead just precribe a antibiotic off a guess, and dumbshit patients who don't take all their drugs to kill off ALL the infections. When people do that, all they do is kill off the weaker microbes and leave the resistent ones. Survival of the fitest indeed.

Anyway, while MRSA is a concern it's hardly the doom and gloom a lot of articles I've read about it make it out to be. In fact didn't we just have a thread about this?
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All seemed fine, except "my temperature never went back to normal after surgery," Gehrke says. During her first few days at home, she had a low-grade fever that hovered around 100 degrees Fahrenheit (38 degrees Celsius) and she noticed a lump had formed below her incision. By the fourth day, the lump had ballooned to the size of a lime, her fever had jumped to 103 degrees F and her incision was intensely painful. "It was like someone had taken a burning match and stuck it inside" the cut skin, Gehrke says. She immediately went to see her doctor, who took out the staples (as is customary a few days after a C-section) and examined the growing bulge under the wound. He dismissed the pain as normal
That is COMPLETE bullshit. Yes, incision pain is normal but FEVER and a LUMP are not - if it had been me, and my concerns dismissed in that manner, I would have IMMEDIATELY gotten a second opinion. The earlier you treat and infection the better off you are. WTF was the doctor thinking? Fever and swelling in a surgical incision - what a fucking moron!
A few days later, part of the incision burst open, releasing so much blood and fluid that "the entire [bathroom] floor was soaked in blood," Gehrke says. "My grandma took two beach towels to sop it all up."
Actually, gross as it is, that sort of spontaneous drainage can be a lifesaver.
Gehrke's grandfather rushed her to Indian River Memorial's emergency room where doctors and nurses cleaned the wound and packed it with gauze to allow for drainage. They sent a sample of the fluid to the hospital lab for analysis and called Gehrke's ob/gyn to inform him that the infection was probably caused by the bacterium Escherichia coli. Gehrke's ob/gyn prescribed sulfa antibiotics, which are commonly used to treat E. coli infections. Two days later, the lab results came back, revealing that Gehrke did not have E. coli, but rather a staphylococcus, or staph, infection caused by methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), a potent bacterium that has developed resistance to most of the old standby antibiotics, making it difficult to treat and potentially fatal.

However, the E. coli guess wasn't a bad one, and neither was starting antibiotics immediately. Lab results do take time and nothing is gained by delay. MOST of the time the assumption would have been correct - this time it wasn't.

Learning the infection was MRSA, Gehrke's gynecologist immediately switched her to a stronger antibiotic and put her on bed rest; nurses from the Visiting Nurses Association came to her house daily to pack the wound in gauze and check her vital signs.

And that is all entirely appropriate.

But the swelling remained and the wound continued to ooze pus.

Yeah, staph infections are a bitch. I had one that oozed and dripped for four months. They take a LONG time to heal.

After the operation, Gehrke stopped seeing her ob/gyn

I hope she got a new one - I think his stupid mis-diagnosis delayed proper treatment and only made the situation worse.
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Knife wrote:MRSA and such are a concern; but not some middle aged plague. Staph Areus is in most people a normal flora, which simply means its always on you. Healthcare facilities seem to cause it only because that's where both cross contamination is previlent and where people's bodies are sick and unable to keep the staph arus in check anymore.

However; the two major reasons it perpetuates is lazy doctors who don't take samples and send to labs and instead just precribe a antibiotic off a guess, and dumbshit patients who don't take all their drugs to kill off ALL the infections. When people do that, all they do is kill off the weaker microbes and leave the resistent ones. Survival of the fitest indeed.
Actually, the main reason why its spread is because people don't wash hands. Me included.....................

Unfortunately, once someone gets it, you need to isolate the person immediately. And since MRSA can survive on fomite, you get a lingering outbreak.
Anyway, while MRSA is a concern it's hardly the doom and gloom a lot of articles I've read about it make it out to be. In fact didn't we just have a thread about this?
Doom and gloom it may not be for healthy ppl, but for sick ppl, especially those recovering from surgery? A colonised wound cost a lot of time and can be extremely gross..
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PainRack wrote:
Knife wrote:MRSA and such are a concern; but not some middle aged plague. Staph Areus is in most people a normal flora, which simply means its always on you. Healthcare facilities seem to cause it only because that's where both cross contamination is previlent and where people's bodies are sick and unable to keep the staph arus in check anymore.

However; the two major reasons it perpetuates is lazy doctors who don't take samples and send to labs and instead just precribe a antibiotic off a guess, and dumbshit patients who don't take all their drugs to kill off ALL the infections. When people do that, all they do is kill off the weaker microbes and leave the resistent ones. Survival of the fitest indeed.
Actually, the main reason why its spread is because people don't wash hands. Me included.....................
Already mentioned cross contamination.
Unfortunately, once someone gets it, you need to isolate the person immediately. And since MRSA can survive on fomite, you get a lingering outbreak.
Indeed. Special percautions go into effect. However, we're not talking a clean room here.
Anyway, while MRSA is a concern it's hardly the doom and gloom a lot of articles I've read about it make it out to be. In fact didn't we just have a thread about this?
Doom and gloom it may not be for healthy ppl, but for sick ppl, especially those recovering from surgery? A colonised wound cost a lot of time and can be extremely gross..
Any infection is a concern after surgery.
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But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
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