Turnout in New Hampshire Causing Ballot Shortage.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2008-01-08 08:21pm

SirNitram wrote:We'll use this thread.

MSNBC has called it for McCain.

He has a 10 point lead with 12% of precints reporting. This is why I say the Press Corps is obsessed. 88% of the votes haven't been reported, but McCain must win it. The media wuvs him.

Alternatively they are doing what every media outlet has done for the last two decades: utilizing exit polls to produce a representation of how the remaining precints will report and once the polling narrows the margin of error far enough to preclude any other result call the race.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2008-01-08 08:21pm

Guardsman Bass wrote:Anyways, the Democratic Primary has been declared "too close to call" at this point. Not good for Obama (although it's better than an outright loss).

You are aware we have no response from over eighty percent of the state, right? Fuck, it could go to Gravel at this point for all anyone knows.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2008-01-08 08:22pm

CmdrWilkens wrote:
SirNitram wrote:We'll use this thread.

MSNBC has called it for McCain.

He has a 10 point lead with 12% of precints reporting. This is why I say the Press Corps is obsessed. 88% of the votes haven't been reported, but McCain must win it. The media wuvs him.
Alternatively they are doing what every media outlet has done for the last two decades: utilizing exit polls to produce a representation of how the remaining precints will report and once the polling narrows the margin of error far enough to preclude any other result call the race.

Colour me skeptical. The love McCain gets from the media is too absurdly fetishistic for me to believe this is just good business. Anyone who begins blabbering about how finishing a distant fourth in Iowa is a huge win is not an objective source.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2008-01-08 08:44pm

SirNitram wrote:
Guardsman Bass wrote:Anyways, the Democratic Primary has been declared "too close to call" at this point. Not good for Obama (although it's better than an outright loss).
You are aware we have no response from over eighty percent of the state, right? Fuck, it could go to Gravel at this point for all anyone knows.

As Wilkens mentioned, they are probably using exit polls to get this - and generally speaking, exit polls are broadly correct in predicting a winner (although when they are wrong, they can be catastrophically wrong).

I mentioned "not good for Obama" simply because he's been so hyped up into some kind of "change" movement that a weak showing or loss would deflate a lot of his momentum. It might be good for his campaign in the long run if he pulled himself up after it, but I imagine more than a few people would be disappointed.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2008-01-08 08:45pm

Darth Wong wrote:I'm already getting Election Fatigue from all the US election coverage, and the fucking election isn't until November! Do you know why you have so much dirty pool going on in your election campaigns? Because they take two years to run. You run a two-year election campaign, and somebody is bound to try and pull some dirty stunts sooner or later. Hell, you'll have young campaign workers for whom this campaign has actually represented a significant portion of their entire fucking adult lives. Should anyone be surprised when they become so invested in its outcome that they will do or say anything to win?

You guys need to have election campaigns that last a few months, like civilized people. This is totally ridiculous.

I was doing a radio show in September talking about local news when someone called in and said we should stop talking about something which "didn't matter" and start talking about the presidential election.

In September. It pissed me off then and it pisses me off even more now.

The real problem is that you can't push it back. It's a very lucrative industry. Media outlets, publishing houses, A/V production companies, local town economies, to say nothing of the national parties make Millions of dollars off of this. Going up to the National Parties and the News media outlets and trying to campaign for a shorter election span, no matter how logical it is, is like going up to a chocolate company and saying that they should make their candy with less sugar because their products cause cavities. America has many faults but the greatest of them, in my opinion, is that almost everything is just how deep advertising has ingrained itself into the minds of every American and American activity so that what seems to matter everywhere is not what is at stake but how glitzy the sides are able to present themselves.

And the fact that it involves millions of millions of dollars makes the likelihood of dirty tricks even greater because this isn't just, as you say, a majority of somepeople's adult life (True story: I know someone who halfway through the fall semester decided to take a year off of a full scholarship ride in Princeton to campaign for Obama in Iowa.) but it's a majority of their adult life where they have been seeing more money, glitz, glamour and effort put into this campaign then they will ever see in the rest of their lives all trying to make this a life or death struggle for the champion of what is right in America against all those who would lead us astray. At least, under the democratic system, both sides are out there trying to pull of dirty tricks on each other so that in the end, one hopes, it balances out...

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2008-01-08 08:47pm

Romney's spinning his projected loss right now on MSNBC. At least he's trying to be generous in defeat.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-01-08 09:18pm

Okay, I've gotta ask; What's up with John McCain's face? He's got a rather distracting bulge coming out the left side of his head. Did he have some surgery thing, or what?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-01-08 09:23pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Okay, I've gotta ask; What's up with John McCain's face? He's got a rather distracting bulge coming out the left side of his head. Did he have some surgery thing, or what?

You only noticed that now? That's been going on for a long time. You could see it when he appeared on the Daily Show.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-01-08 09:24pm

Darth Wong wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Okay, I've gotta ask; What's up with John McCain's face? He's got a rather distracting bulge coming out the left side of his head. Did he have some surgery thing, or what?
You only noticed that now? That's been going on for a long time. You could see it when he appeared on the Daily Show.

When he would appear on a talk show, he's always to the stage right of the host, keeping the left side of his face obstructed. I guess I just havn't had cause to look at John McCain much in the last 8 years.

Gerald Tarrant · Post by **Gerald Tarrant** » 2008-01-08 09:49pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Okay, I've gotta ask; What's up with John McCain's face? He's got a rather distracting bulge coming out the left side of his head. Did he have some surgery thing, or what?
You only noticed that now? That's been going on for a long time. You could see it when he appeared on the Daily Show.
When he would appear on a talk show, he's always to the stage right of the host, keeping the left side of his face obstructed. I guess I just havn't had cause to look at John McCain much in the last 8 years.

He had a major surgery for skin cancer around '99 or 2000 I believe. Maybe it's related to that? A quick google search says that it was malignant. Link. I think former President Clinton had a similar but less serious surgery at roughly the same time, if that gives anyone a time frame.