(Stargate/40k) Harbingers of Chaos

WesFox13 · Post by **WesFox13** » 2008-01-08 03:17pm

Hey all, I was just looking at a Stargate topic on the forum and I got an interesting idea.
Here's the scenario:

On a Gou'ald outskirt mining colony belonging to one of the Major system lords (Apophis, Baal, or Anubis, take your pick), the Jaffa guarding the Stargate notice something odd happening to it. It's chevons start to shine. One of the Jaffa orders some reinforcements to protect the gate. However once the chevons shine their color appears to change, becoming a more blood red color. Once the last Chevron is in place, instead of the normal blue "Ka-Woosh" effect. the appearance of a large red portal with what looks like silhouettes of skeletons orbiting around it. Anguished screams seem to emanate from the portal. Just then a strange looking human appears along with two squads of soldiers with armour on that has two distinct horns on their helmets. The human wearing the more particular armour with the staff says, "We are harbingers of the will of the Chaos Gods, we have come with a proposition for the inhabitants of this planet. We would like you to become part of the glory of Chaos Undivided. We have studied this world for some time and it a perfect place to begin the great spread of our way. We will give you time to think it over. the acceptance of chaos will reward you with great power even greater than the ones you call Gods. We shall return when you feel you are ready with your response". With that the two squads and the Sorcerer. walk back into the Stargate (They have tainted it with Chaos allowing them to return back to the world from where they came but they can only do this once.) and the stargate deactivates.

What do you think will happen next if:

1.The Jaffa and the Slaves agree to the Sorcerer's offer to join Chaos abandoning their System Lord.
2. The Jaffa don't accept their offer.
3. The Chaos Lord instead decides to take the planet by force.

Here are a few rules in this Scenario.
The Chaos Marines must construct a Warp Portal on the planet to access the Warp from their universe because the Warp is either too calm or it doesn't exist in the Stargate-verse.
The Chaos Marines can't send their ships through (They are too large for the Stargate) so they have to resort to commandeering Ha'taks to get a fleet in the Stargate-verse.
The Chaos Marines are allowed to modify the Ha'taks in anyway possible.

Stargate Nerd · Post by **Stargate Nerd** » 2008-01-08 08:36pm

Well they'd pretty much start conquering the galaxy until they meet the replicators, or worse SG-1.

defanatic · Post by **defanatic** » 2008-01-08 10:30pm

Stargate Nerd wrote:Well they'd pretty much start conquering the galaxy until they meet the replicators, or worse SG-1.

Are character shields a valid argument point in these sorts of threads?

Stargate Nerd · Post by **Stargate Nerd** » 2008-01-09 01:24am

defanatic wrote:
Stargate Nerd wrote:Well they'd pretty much start conquering the galaxy until they meet the replicators, or worse SG-1.
Are character shields a valid argument point in these sorts of threads?

I don't know the extent of personal shields in W40k. But in Stargate Apophis' personal shield protected him from the Replicators until his Hatak crashed into Delmak in Season 5.

WesFox13 · Post by **WesFox13** » 2008-01-09 01:38am

Stargate Nerd
Hey the thing I was asking is what would happen if any of those three situations occurred that I listed. Second of all. Chaos Marines don't have sheilds but they do have tough armour and also they have powerful Psykers (Individuals that have psionic powers due to the warp.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2008-01-09 09:24am

Stargate Nerd wrote:
defanatic wrote:
Stargate Nerd wrote:Well they'd pretty much start conquering the galaxy until they meet the replicators, or worse SG-1.
Are character shields a valid argument point in these sorts of threads?
I don't know the extent of personal shields in W40k. But in Stargate Apophis' personal shield protected him from the Replicators until his Hatak crashed into Delmak in Season 5.

Character shields are more about how the writer doesn't allow people to die not as a consequence of story logic or what would reasonably happen in those circumstances, but because they don't want them to die. Sort of like how Batman can take on a gang of 10 men with submachineguns with a batarang and some body armour.

Stargate Nerd · Post by **Stargate Nerd** » 2008-01-09 10:54am

Zuul wrote:

Character shields are more about how the writer doesn't allow people to die not as a consequence of story logic or what would reasonably happen in those circumstances, but because they don't want them to die. Sort of like how Batman can take on a gang of 10 men with submachineguns with a batarang and some body armour.

lol, silly me. yeah I was just joking when i mentioned sg-1 of course.

WesFox13 wrote: Hey the thing I was asking is what would happen if any of those three situations occurred that I listed. Second of all. Chaos Marines don't have sheilds but they do have tough armour and also they have powerful Psykers (Individuals that have psionic powers due to the warp.

Well to be honest the outcome is the same in all three scenarios.
2. and 3. are basically the same premise, I assume even if the Jaffa declined the Chaos Marines would try to take the world by force.
And 1. is very unlikely, the Jaffa worship the Goauld as gods, they don't just switch their allegiance if some hot shot in red armor comes and makes grand promises.

So a fight is pretty much assured no matter which of the three you choose. Now as far as ground combat goes the Jaffa are more or less useless so a quick conquest of the planet by the Chaos Marines is likely especially since Staff weapons seem to be about as powerful as Lasguns and less accurate to boot.

Now depending on how important the planet is it might or might not have any Hataks parked there. But I'm sure there will be plenty of Teltaks and maybe even an Alkesh ow two.

Since you specified that Chaos can make any modifications to ships, they might start by equipping the Teltaks and Alkesh with shields and more powerful weapons than the Alkesh currently has.

Now with these cloaked ships acquiring a Hatak and upgrading it into something more powerful shouldn't be a problem. Furthermore, if they manage to capture a total of 20 ships, they're pretty much assured to conquer the Milky Way.

WesFox13 · Post by **WesFox13** » 2008-01-09 12:10pm

Stargate Nerd wrote:And 1. is very unlikely, the Jaffa worship the Goauld as gods, they don't just switch their allegiance if some hot shot in red armor comes and makes grand promises.

Well who's to say some Chaos Sorcerers can't "Influence" their decision? It has been known that Chaos Marines slowly corrupt even the best of minds to their will using their psykers and Sorcerers (This happened in Dawn of War with Isador). They could make the Jaffa slowly begin to doubt the Gou'ald as gods and slowly make them more accepting of following Chaos Undivided.

Baal · Post by **Baal** » 2008-01-09 12:17pm

Stargate Nerd wrote:
defanatic wrote:
Stargate Nerd wrote:Well they'd pretty much start conquering the galaxy until they meet the replicators, or worse SG-1.
Are character shields a valid argument point in these sorts of threads?
I don't know the extent of personal shields in W40k. But in Stargate Apophis' personal shield protected him from the Replicators until his Hatak crashed into Delmak in Season 5.

We see the System Lord Molock targetted with a Maverick Anti-tank missle. This kills him. It would make sense that before the missle hits him he would activate his shield.

So a Goa'uld personal shield is good for hand weapons and maybe small crew weapons.

Also we see Kull Warriors killing varoius Goa'uld. Assuming that the personal shield is not a very rare item among the Goa'uld this means even a powerful hand weapon can penetrate the shields. This is again assuming that various minor Goa'uld who control a single planet, some Jaffa, and one Hatak would have such a shield.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-01-09 12:21pm

Do the Chaos Gods have free reign in the SG universe? It'd be fun to see Oma having lesbian god-sex with Slaanesh.

No, seriously. Does the crazy Unquantifiable Chaos Warp God Magic work in the SG-verse? Do we assume that the Ascended will hold off the influence of the Chaos Gods like how the Emperor does in 40K?

Hrm...Teal'c and other Jaffa have immunity to mind-altering drugs, toxins and viruses, aside from their fanatical faith. From Hathor's poison ivy shtick to viruses that turn you into cavemen. And I think Hathor's pheromone things are far more mind-alteringly seductive than a Slaaneshi daemonette wagging its penis at me, thank you very much.

Jaffa, being brainwashed fanatically indoctrinated soldiers, would be more resistant to corruption than most normal humans in the 40k verse. Plus they have their wonky modified physiologies. That's gotta count for something.

WesFox13 · Post by **WesFox13** » 2008-01-09 12:37pm

Shroom Man 777
Well Shroom I am not sure if it does, that's where the Warp Portal comes into play. It allows the Chaos Marines to stay in contact with the Warp from their time and Reality. The reason they do this is because the Warp in the SG-verse is either A) too calm or B) doesn't even exist.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-01-09 12:42pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Hrm...Teal'c and other Jaffa have immunity to mind-altering drugs, toxins and viruses, aside from their fanatical faith.

No they don't. They have resistance to disease. They can be brainwashed by drugs. Witness Apophis' use of Nish'ta on Ry'ac.

And I think Hathor's pheromone things are far more mind-alteringly seductive than a Slaaneshi daemonette wagging its penis at me, thank you very much.

You think wrong. Hathor can just about manage to persuade people to take handcuffs off her when she looks unthreatening. Demonettes can persaude people to go the fuck near their big lobster claws.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-01-09 12:45pm

Stargate Nerd wrote: And 1. is very unlikely, the Jaffa worship the Goauld as gods, they don't just switch their allegiance if some hot shot in red armor comes and makes grand promises.

Ahem. Observe Her'ak's behaviour towards Daniel Jackson in Full Circle, appearing out of nowhere and phase-shifting a staff blast through him persuades Her'ak to kneel down, avert his eyes, and let Danny fight Anubis without interference. A chaos sorcerer can (potentially) be capable of both those things.

Baal · Post by **Baal** » 2008-01-09 01:08pm

Stargate Nerd wrote:
defanatic wrote:
Stargate Nerd wrote:Well they'd pretty much start conquering the galaxy until they meet the replicators, or worse SG-1.
Are character shields a valid argument point in these sorts of threads?
I don't know the extent of personal shields in W40k. But in Stargate Apophis' personal shield protected him from the Replicators until his Hatak crashed into Delmak in Season 5.

We see the System Lord Molock targetted with a Maverick Anti-tank missle. This kills him. It would make sense that before the missle hits him he would activate his shield.

So a Goa'uld personal shield is good for hand weapons and maybe small crew weapons.

Also we see Kull Warriors killing varoius Goa'uld. Assuming that the personal shield is not a very rare item among the Goa'uld this means even a powerful hand weapon can penetrate the shields. This is again assuming that various minor Goa'uld who control a single planet, some Jaffa, and one Hatak would have such a shield.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-01-09 01:15pm

Baal wrote:Also we see Kull Warriors killing varoius Goa'uld. Assuming that the personal shield is not a very rare item among the Goa'uld this means even a powerful hand weapon can penetrate the shields.

Or the Kull just ran up to them, punched them in the face, and then shot them from point blank, with his wrist inside the field.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2008-01-09 05:02pm

btw what legion of the CSM are talking here (there's Alfa Legion, Black Legion, Night Lords, Red Corsairs (I think), Iron Warriors and the Word Bearers who are allied with the chaos undividied and and they're far from identical)

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2008-01-09 05:03pm

Lord Revan wrote:btw what legion of the CSM are talking here (there's Alfa Legion, Black Legion, Night Lords, Red Corsairs (I think), Iron Warriors and the Word Bearers who are allied with the chaos undividied and and they're far from identical)

edit:are we

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-01-09 05:27pm

Red Corsairs aren't a legion, they're a chapter scale group. Of which there are a great many who aren't original chaos legions. It's quite possible for it to be a random group from almost any chapter or warband.

Stargate Nerd · Post by **Stargate Nerd** » 2008-01-09 07:50pm

Baal wrote: 1.We see the System Lord Molock targetted with a Maverick Anti-tank missle. This kills him. It would make sense that before the missle hits him he would activate his shield.

2.So a Goa'uld personal shield is good for hand weapons and maybe small crew weapons.

3.Also we see Kull Warriors killing varoius Goa'uld. Assuming that the personal shield is not a very rare item among the Goa'uld this means even a powerful hand weapon can penetrate the shields. This is again assuming that various minor Goa'uld who control a single planet, some Jaffa, and one Hatak would have such a shield.

1. Well we don't know, maybe Molok's shield wasn't strong enough or he was just dumbfounded when a missile came out of nowhere to kill him.

2. Possibly. This has never been explored in the series.

3. For all we know the Kull Warrior could have just strangled the Goa'uld though. They don't show it.

NecronLord wrote:
Stargate Nerd wrote:Ahem. Observe Her'ak's behaviour towards Daniel Jackson in Full Circle, appearing out of nowhere and phase-shifting a staff blast through him persuades Her'ak to kneel down, avert his eyes, and let Danny fight Anubis without interference. A chaos sorcerer can (potentially) be capable of both those things.

Yes, he covers in fear.

WesFox13 · Post by **WesFox13** » 2008-01-09 08:22pm

Lord Revan
The particular chapter I'm taking about are the Word Bearers legion. Hence the "Chaos Undivided" line that the Sorcerer said.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-01-09 11:50pm

I have been under the impression that the Warp, being as it is, tends to affect just about anything, including droids. Am I correct?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2008-01-10 12:44am

WesFox13 wrote:Lord Revan
The particular chapter I'm taking about are the Word Bearers legion. Hence the "Chaos Undivided" line that the Sorcerer said.

The Word Bearers are a legion (much larger then a chapter) and they're also master demagouges (the black apostles are fallen chaplains (and a word bearer only feature as far as I know)) so of the traitor legions they and the Alfa Legion are probably the most adept at converting the local population to their side.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-01-10 06:29am

Stargate Nerd wrote:Yes, he covers in fear.

All your sorcerer or demon has to do is approach the nearest system lord in public, phase some staff bolts through his body, punch the System Lord's head off. And poof, army.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2008-01-10 08:35am

NecronLord wrote:
Stargate Nerd wrote:Yes, he covers in fear.
All your sorcerer or demon has to do is approach the nearest system lord in public, phase some staff bolts through his body, punch the System Lord's head off. And poof, army.

slightly off topic, but hasn't modern US flak vests stopped staff blasts?

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2008-01-10 09:04am

Lord Revan wrote:slightly off topic, but hasn't modern US flak vests stopped staff blasts?

Fuck no.

Staff blasts kill even though vests. We often see the vest completely ablated away and the entire impact site under the vest with 3rd degree burns.

There is actually a statement by a SGC scientist that the staff blasts induce a microwave effect literially cooking the impact site when hitting modern US flak vests. Of course, not using flak vests often results in instant death.