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Darth Wong wrote:CC, you don't understand how unsympathetic people were back then. I often hear people pining for the old days when people weren't so wimpy, but frankly, a lot of people back then were downright pricks. My kindergarten teacher called my parents into the school when I first arrived, and said that if I wasn't fluent in English by the end of the year, she would have me put into a school for the mentally retarded, just to punish them for failing to assimilate. That was how they treated immigrants back then.
I actually had the opposite happen to me. At the age of six, without asking permission, my school tested my IQ, memory, and reading ability, then skipped me two grades. I didn't know or care, because I still got recess with my friends. My parents only found out when they tried the same thing with my twin brother, and he got an unsympathetic teacher.

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Its surprising what people will do when they think its 'for your own good'.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Sweet Zombie Jesus, Broomstick! The kids I can understand (kids are dicks until they're 14 at which point they're bastards) but adults would take a look at the notes from your parents and doctors and say they know better? I have to say, its too bad you aren't young NOW, you'd make a fortune in lawsuits.
No, I wouldn't.

My niece, who just graduated high school, also had problems with this issue (and her allergies ARE life-threatening!) Far too many occasions where (usually) substitute teachers hauled her to the principal's office for being "difficult", and I know of at least one occasion where an adult attempted to force-feed her a glass of milk because "young girls need their calcium and I won't let you develop an eating disorder young lady!".

I keep hearing from whiners that "kids never used to have these problems!" Well, yes they did - I did. And back in my day, if a kid had allergies to that level they often would be forced out of public schools, either because they school didn't want to deal with it or because their parents wanted to keep the kid safe. And, oh yes, some just simply died from it, it was considered a rare tragedy, but for some odd reason that was OK (?) because it wasn't common.
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Darth Wong wrote:In that case, I can't see it working. People who are allergic to peanuts will still avoid nuts for their own safety, and if the idea is to replace peanuts with allergen-free pseudo-peanuts across the board, people like me won't have it. We'll say "I want some real fucking peanut butter, and that means it should be made from real peanuts".

You try putting up a jar of "Peanut Butter made from allergen-free genetically modified peanuts" on the shelf. Regular people will buy the regular peanut butter, and if I had kids who could die from exposure to peanut butter, I don't think I'd want to buy products that might weaken their phobia of things that look and smell like peanuts.
Phobias take a lot of psychological training to confront, but the idea of replacing products with engineered ones is likely not needed. I know of several products being tested that can limit or nullify such anaphylactic problems. I've just started looking over a study regarding the "switching off" of psoriasis in humans by having an engineered monoclonal antibody attack the cytokine responsible for irritation (usually the likes of Interleukin-20, IgE or some other messenger/protective protein).

What I'm saying is, maybe one day soon we will be able to take a sub-cutaneous jab to vaccinate against such hyper-sensitivity. Perhaps even gene therapy to rewire the faulthy immunological systems. If this is what a wimpy generation can produce, then I welcome it. Having had an ex-girlfriend who would die if she ate anything with nuts in, I can fully understand how this can affect a person's life. Just looking for chocolates without nuts in is a painstaking process. Apply that to everything, and you're a living nut-detecting machine. And people can be allergic to practically any particle now from detergents and pollen to man-made fibres and water.
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Broomstick wrote:No, I wouldn't.

My niece, who just graduated high school, also had problems with this issue (and her allergies ARE life-threatening!) Far too many occasions where (usually) substitute teachers hauled her to the principal's office for being "difficult", and I know of at least one occasion where an adult attempted to force-feed her a glass of milk because "young girls need their calcium and I won't let you develop an eating disorder young lady!".
So the teacher didn't believe she had a lethal allergy? :shock: I hope the adult was subsequently fired and/or hit with a steel pipe. If I have a child with such an allergy, I'll teach them to scream RAPE or similar overreaction anytime anyone tries to force them to do something, and then I'll deal with the offender.

Madness. I guess I'm just lucky my only lethal allergy is a relatively rare medicine that isn't used anymore.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:In that case, I can't see it working. People who are allergic to peanuts will still avoid nuts for their own safety, and if the idea is to replace peanuts with allergen-free pseudo-peanuts across the board, people like me won't have it. We'll say "I want some real fucking peanut butter, and that means it should be made from real peanuts".

You try putting up a jar of "Peanut Butter made from allergen-free genetically modified peanuts" on the shelf. Regular people will buy the regular peanut butter, and if I had kids who could die from exposure to peanut butter, I don't think I'd want to buy products that might weaken their phobia of things that look and smell like peanuts.
Phobias take a lot of psychological training to confront, but the idea of replacing products with engineered ones is likely not needed. I know of several products being tested that can limit or nullify such anaphylactic problems. I've just started looking over a study regarding the "switching off" of psoriasis in humans by having an engineered monoclonal antibody attack the cytokine responsible for irritation (usually the likes of Interleukin-20, IgE or some other messenger/protective protein).

What I'm saying is, maybe one day soon we will be able to take a sub-cutaneous jab to vaccinate against such hyper-sensitivity.
Until that day, however, such a "phobia" is actually a GOOD thing.

And it's not a phobia - a phobia is an irrational fear. Fearing what can make you ill or dead is NOT irrational, it's a survival trait.
CaptainChewbacca wrote:So the teacher didn't believe she had a lethal allergy?
That is correct.

There are STILL a lot of people who think food allergies are a mental disease, or who thing asthma is a mental disorder in a neurotic, attention-seeking child. (Personally, if a child of mine was having difficulty breating I'd WANT them to seek attention..)

Shocking, appalling, but true.

I'd always feared landing in the hospital due to my allergies - nothing quite like being sick and getting sicker! - but as it happens when I did wind up in one it was, I'm happy to say, not a problem. First, I wasn't allowed to eat much of anything due to the reason I was in there. Second, if anything they marked down TOO much stuff as not allowed (all citrus instead of just oranges, for example) but really, I'd rather they err on the side of caution. It's frightening when many common foods are toxic to you and you have no control over your diet.

The only "issue" was when they tried to feed me orange-flavored gelatin. Now, keep in mind, I hadn't eaten at all for the better part of a week, and not much the week before, and had already lost 1/6 of my body weight. I was literally starving. And I could NOT bring myself to eat that stuff. Despite reassurances that there was no actual orange anything in there (other than the aritifical color) I could not eat it. Just couldn't. As I explained to the dietitian, no, I had no interest in removing that "phobia" because normally it helps to keep me from accidentally eating oranges or drinking stuff with orange juice in it. It helps keep me safe. It's like criticizing someone for being afraid to run into a burning building - fear is not always a bad thing. So lets stop arguing about it and find me any other flavor of gelatin to eat, m'kay?
Shocked I hope the adult was subsequently fired and/or hit with a steel pipe.
She was fired.
If I have a child with such an allergy, I'll teach them to scream RAPE or similar overreaction anytime anyone tries to force them to do something, and then I'll deal with the offender.
Yes, assertiveness training early on in life is essential for children with food allergies. The downside is that we get labeled troublemakers, but at least we're alive to be labeled.
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So lets stop arguing about it and find me any other flavor of gelatin to eat, m'kay?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That really doesn't seem like too difficult of a request.
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Broomstick wrote: Until that day, however, such a "phobia" is actually a GOOD thing.

And it's not a phobia - a phobia is an irrational fear. Fearing what can make you ill or dead is NOT irrational, it's a survival trait.
In the context I was speaking, it would fall into that category given the fear would be the lingering after-effect whilst the physical threat was eliminated. Right now, you sure as hell don't want anyone being blasé over this issue. Doubly so if there are more people out there like in your anecdote.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Broomstick wrote: Until that day, however, such a "phobia" is actually a GOOD thing.

And it's not a phobia - a phobia is an irrational fear. Fearing what can make you ill or dead is NOT irrational, it's a survival trait.
In the context I was speaking, it would fall into that category given the fear would be the lingering after-effect whilst the physical threat was eliminated. Right now, you sure as hell don't want anyone being blasé over this issue. Doubly so if there are more people out there like in your anecdote.
Quite true, and good clarification.

Although, as you can imagine, I'd be reluctant to let go of that caution (let's call it caution) too quickly.
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I probably wouldn't take the chance by exposing myself to a substance (specially produced peanuts, for example) that would be otherwise dangerous to me if not altered in some way. I would want to wait a good while before getting near peanuts to any degree. But quite frankly, I could do without. Nothing would really change, I just might be able to get away with being a little less stringent with label-reading depending on a doctor's advice and so on. Of course, I'm usually a pretty strict label-reader myself, but for other dietary reasons.

Anyway, if a school has a student, (even one among hundreds) that is allergic, I can't understand how any reasonable parent would object in any way to the school's ban of peanuts. If he or she is insistent that the child be able to eat peanuts, well, give them out at home. It's not as if we're talking about withholding something vital for survival (say, medicine or insulin), especially when the very act of prohibiting the peanuts in the school is to keep a child safe. In the grand scheme of things, not getting peanuts in the school is a fairly minor inconvenience.
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FSTargetDrone wrote:I probably wouldn't take the chance by exposing myself to a substance (specially produced peanuts, for example) that would be otherwise dangerous to me if not altered in some way. I would want to wait a good while before getting near peanuts to any degree. But quite frankly, I could do without. Nothing would really change, I just might be able to get away with being a little less stringent with label-reading depending on a doctor's advice and so on. Of course, I'm usually a pretty strict label-reader myself, but for other dietary reasons.

Anyway, if a school has a student, (even one among hundreds) that is allergic, I can't understand how any reasonable parent would object in any way to the school's ban of peanuts. If he or she is insistent that the child be able to eat peanuts, well, give them out at home. It's not as if we're talking about withholding something vital for survival (say, medicine or insulin), especially when the very act of prohibiting the peanuts in the school is to keep a child safe. In the grand scheme of things, not getting peanuts in the school is a fairly minor inconvenience.
People are lazy and peanut butter (for example) is cheap and kids love it. It's also a symptom of not giving a shit about anyone else. People don't want to be inconvienanced.
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And that's why those people aren't reasonable, which I guess is really is too much to hope for.

Still, a cursory search shows various schools and school districts (in the US, at least) that have banned peanuts from the premises. I would have thought it would be a really easy decision for a school district, considering the possibility of legal liability if a child was severely sickened, or worse, because of peanuts in school lunches.
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Part of the problem is that people really do not understand that such a wholesome and tasty substance is poison to someone else. It's not just allergies - I've seen the same incomprehension about lactose and gluten intolerances.
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FSTargetDrone wrote:And that's why those people aren't reasonable, which I guess is really is too much to hope for.
People are fucking stupid. The average person is an idiot, who would ideally know his place and let smarter people make decisions about anything important. Unfortunately, in the "self-esteem" era, everyone thinks he's a genius.
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Broomstick wrote:Part of the problem is that people really do not understand that such a wholesome and tasty substance is poison to someone else. It's not just allergies - I've seen the same incomprehension about lactose and gluten intolerances.
I suspect that it's worse than that, they don't care.
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Broomstick wrote:Part of the problem is that people really do not understand that such a wholesome and tasty substance is poison to someone else. It's not just allergies - I've seen the same incomprehension about lactose and gluten intolerances.
I suspect that it's worse than that, they don't care.
Yeah, and until they demonstrate that they're not just stupid but malignant too, why don't we just go with the "they're idiots" angle?
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Because it's insulting to those who truly have a mental development lag?
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Broomstick wrote:Because it's insulting to those who truly have a mental development lag?
Insulting or not, it's still true. This kind of behaviour is usually the result of sheer stupidity more than anything else.
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Ignorance and callousness - there are a lot of people who just don't give a damn about other people.
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Broomstick wrote:Ignorance and callousness - there are a lot of people who just don't give a damn about other people.
True, but it's often because they are too stupid to imagine themselves in the other person's shoes.
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Sorry to anybody eating peanut butter at this very moment but it has to be said: when I look at peanut butter I think of whipped shit.

How does commercial peanut butter compare with fresh peanut butter? I'm surprised someone hasn't thought up of some franchise where they make the peanut butter on the spot and spread it over all kinds of stuff, a godly layer of diarrhea. It would be perfect as a little kiosk in a mall, and maybe you could buy cans of fresh crap to take home.
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brianeyci wrote:Sorry to anybody eating peanut butter at this very moment but it has to be said: when I look at peanut butter I think of whipped shit.
Wow, you can detect colours. I guess apple juice reminds you of piss too, right?
How does commercial peanut butter compare with fresh peanut butter?
Fresh peanut butter is much better. Almond butter is also nice.
I'm surprised someone hasn't thought up of some franchise where they make the peanut butter on the spot and spread it over all kinds of stuff, a godly layer of diarrhea. It would be perfect as a little kiosk in a mall, and maybe you could buy cans of fresh crap to take home.
You can already do that at many health-food stores.
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