How was the New Republic formed?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-19 12:33pm

Well, that's the whole point. And that's what the EU says as well. The government was reestablished in leiu of the chaos of the war and they reset the calender as well. These events are known as the Ruusan Reformation.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-01-19 02:26pm

But, then if the Ruusan Reformation took place 1,000 years before AOTC, that doesn't solve the problem, unless Obi-Wan is waxing nostalgic about THAT rather than the formation of the Republic proper.

The theory of a new dating system (instituted by the Empire, then discarded or changed by the New Republic we can guess) is fine too, another plausible theory.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-01-19 02:30pm

Er, you know what I mean. Mistyped that... depends on when the Ruusan Reformation is said to have happened. If it occured before AOTC, then why is one character nostalgic about it, but the other not, etc ?

Unless the dating system changed and Obi-Wan was going with the Empire's new dating system (that referred back to the Old Republic).

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-01-19 06:36pm

Kurgan wrote:Er, you know what I mean. Mistyped that... depends on when the Ruusan Reformation is said to have happened. If it occured before AOTC, then why is one character nostalgic about it, but the other not, etc ?

Unless the dating system changed and Obi-Wan was going with the Empire's new dating system (that referred back to the Old Republic).

Obi-Wan wasn't referring to any dating system...he didn't use dates, or even years. He was simply considering the span of the rule of the Jedi, which goes back over 1,000 generations (~25000 years).
Palpatine was not referring to the rule of the Jedi, but rather the current incarnation of the Republic, which was roughly 1,000 years since the Ruusan Reformation.

For a real-world analogy, one person could say that there has been continuous democracy in France for 133 years, since 1870. Another person could say that the French Republic has stood for 45 years, since 1958. Both would be correct, since the Fifth French Republic began with De Gaulle's presidency in '58, though France has continuously been a republic since the Third French Republic in 1870.

EDIT: My analogy, of course, does not take into account the Vichy government of France as interrupting France's run of democracy.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-01-20 11:23am

How did you edit your post? I've wondered that for ages.. or can only certain people do that here? ; )

Ruusan Reformation.

Only trouble with this is.. isn't it purely an EU construct? In fact, isn't it something that was conceived of in the EU before AOTC? Or am I wrong?

Because Palpy never mentions it, nor does Obi-Wan.

And as I said before, why does a "generation" in Jedi terms have to be the same as an human nuclear family earth generation? (ie: 25 years?)

If the Republic was a continuous government (despite going through "incarnations" of Republics) why would everyone call it the same thing.. why not "the X Republic" or "the third Republic" or something like that? Instead, it's always "the Republic" in the prequels, or "the Old Republic" in the classic trilogy (since it's the past, the present is the Empire).

I know, I know.. it's all based on the fact that he said THIS Republic, as if there were other Republics before the one we see in the prequels.

By that line of thinking, there could have been millions of other Republics before "this" one that we see in Palpatine's time, extended 25,000 years into the past. Whoa!

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-20 02:46pm

Maybe the AotC Republic is the one that added the Galatic to the end? Before that it was the whateverthefuck Republic and was removed from the records when the last Civil War ended. How many victors in a war have tried to erase all the memory of the previous era?

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-01-20 03:20pm

I dunno.. the current Republic doesn't span the galaxy (ex: "Unknown Regions"? Tatooine "the Republic doesn't exist out here" etc).

Then again, there's the "Intergalactic Banking Clan" (not called that in the movie, AFAIK).. spanning multiple galaxies?

The Empire is suposedly bigger than the Republic and does indeed span the main galaxy. Is it actually referred to as the "Galactic" Republic in the canon sources? Just curious. Maybe you're right, but it would be curious if there was some other "Republic" that wasn't a galactic one, that gets talked about as if it were the same as the galactic Republic.

Following that theory, perhaps the Old Republic was just a couple of starsystems (even a couple of planets!) and then it expanded to become galaxy wide (or almost galaxy wide) and then people differentiated them in their minds. Still, the official websites make it sound like they are one and the same (Old vs. "this") so I don't think that theory holds much water. But.... who knows.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-23 07:39pm

Kurgan wrote:There's also a possibility that "1 generation" actually does roughly equal "1 year" by Jedi reckoning (the theory I posted, which wasn't my own about "generations" of Jedi students, in another thread).

That would theoretically resolve the two canon quotes without having to worry about measuring the degrees of wars, though it doesn't necessarily fix anything in the EU that says otherwise.

generation

n 1: all the people living at the same time or of approximately the same age [syn: coevals, contemporaries] 2: group of genetically related organisms constituting a single step in the line of descent 3: the normal time between successive generations; "they had to wait a generation for that prejudice to fade" 4: the act of propagating [syn: multiplication, propagation]

As most can see, Kurgan's bullshiting and deciding to change the English language to justify it. At least Darkstar plays at least remotely passable semantics to throw out the EU. Kurgan just invents a definition for a word that wasn't there, and then uses that, when the other explanation is perfectly reasonable, doesn't throw out evidence, and doesn't create semantic bullshit.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-07-23 07:45pm

Accidental necromancy closed by request.