"Meanest mom on the planet" sells teen's car - LOL

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2008-01-11 08:20pm

I see now, you can transport it if your driving a beer truck or something. But you have to be accompanied or have a damn good reason why your not.

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FSTargetDrone · Post by **FSTargetDrone** » 2008-01-12 01:40am

Cpl Kendall wrote:I see now, you can transport it if your driving a beer truck or something. But you have to be accompanied or have a damn good reason why your not.

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I think the second part of this makes exceptions if you are legally employed to be driving the vehicle that's carrying the alcohol? Am I reading that bolded part right?

23224. (a) No person under the age of 21 years shall knowingly drive any motor vehicle carrying any alcoholic beverage, unless the person is accompanied by a parent, responsible adult relative, any other adult designated by the parent, or legal guardian for the purpose of transportation of an alcoholic beverage, or is employed by a licensee under the Alcoholic Beverage Control Act (Division 9 (commencing with Section 23000) of the Business and Professions Code), and is driving the motor vehicle during regular hours and in the course of the person's employment. If the driver was unaccompanied, he or she shall have a complete defense if he or she was following, in a timely manner, the reasonable instructions of his or her parent, legal guardian, responsible adult relative, or adult designee relating to disposition of the alcoholic beverage.

Justforfun000 · Post by **Justforfun000** » 2008-01-12 02:07am

As I live in Ontario too...would someone clarify that law for me? I was certain that OPEN alcohol could not be in reach, but not unopened. If you buy a case of beer, I wasn't aware of any law saying you couldn't have it on the seat beside you.

Some would ask right off "Well when would you ever have UNopened alcohol if you weren't drinking it". Sometimes I've left a place and took a half bottle of wine. It's possible. I always made sure it was completely out of reach as to my understanding of the law.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-01-12 02:14am

Justforfun000 wrote:As I live in Ontario too...would someone clarify that law for me? I was certain that OPEN alcohol could not be in reach, but not unopened. If you buy a case of beer, I wasn't aware of any law saying you couldn't have it on the seat beside you.

Some would ask right off "Well when would you ever have UNopened alcohol if you weren't drinking it". Sometimes I've left a place and took a half bottle of wine. It's possible. I always made sure it was completely out of reach as to my understanding of the law.

There are differences in the law with opened/unopened and cab versus truck depending on whether or not the driver is of legal drinking age. Again, I'm talking about California.

Phantasee · Post by **Phantasee** » 2008-01-12 02:31am

That kid got told, and got told good.

Solid parenting there. Even if it was someone else's, now her kid isn't driving around drunk kids, getting into shit.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2008-01-12 09:35am

Stark wrote:Can't you ALWAYS drink at home or under parental supervision? Drinking in public is always illegal and minors can't be served at licenced premises, but I didn't think any laws in the US prohibited private, 'at home' drinking.

Not in Arizona.

They passed a law last year making it illegal for those under the legal drinking age to have any level of alcohol in their blood stream. The main reason for this is to nail kids who drive across the border to Mexico so they can drink. The kids at home, with parental permission was mostly collateral damage.

Supposedly this law has already drastically cut down on the number of traffic deaths on the highway from the Arizona/Mexico border.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2008-01-12 05:12pm

Tsyroc wrote:They passed a law last year making it illegal for those under the legal drinking age to have any level of alcohol in their blood stream. The main reason for this is to nail kids who drive across the border to Mexico so they can drink.

Stupid kids drinking and driving, you're supposed to go to Mexico and either come back with a designated driver or stay there for the night.

Justforfun000 · Post by **Justforfun000** » 2008-01-12 05:41pm

Adrian Laguna Wrote:

Stupid kids drinking and driving, you're supposed to go to Mexico and either come back with a designated driver or stay there for the night.

LOL! You know...that was so well put across that I'm really not certain if it's sarcasm or seriousness.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2008-01-12 09:06pm

Darth Wong wrote:
General Zod wrote:
Stark wrote:Can't you ALWAYS drink at home or under parental supervision? Drinking in public is always illegal and minors can't be served at licenced premises, but I didn't think any laws in the US prohibited private, 'at home' drinking.
It depends on how nosy your neighbors are and the state you live in. Parents giving kids alcohol while underaged can be slapped with shit like "contributing to the deliquency of a minor" and other fun stuff if they get reported.
So if I decide to give Matthew a taste of beer so he'll know what it's like rather than thinking of it as some kind of magical forbidden fruit for the next 7 years, I'd better not tell anyone about it?

It is one of those things where the law is stupid and everyone knows it, so most cops turn a blind eye to parents letting the kids have wine with dinner, or a beer on their 16th birthday. It is when there are other infractions (such as a keg party with stripper) that can get you in trouble because the cops cant ignore it anymore

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2008-01-13 08:01am

Justforfun000 wrote:As I live in Ontario too...would someone clarify that law for me? I was certain that OPEN alcohol could not be in reach, but not unopened. If you buy a case of beer, I wasn't aware of any law saying you couldn't have it on the seat beside you.

Some would ask right off "Well when would you ever have UNopened alcohol if you weren't drinking it". Sometimes I've left a place and took a half bottle of wine. It's possible. I always made sure it was completely out of reach as to my understanding of the law.

I can't find anything on the MTO or Criminal Code sites, nor is it in the drivers handbook. It has however been mentioned on all the drivers course I've taken and I asked my father in law, who was a driving instructor and he confirmed it. Although you are correct, it is only for open alcohol. That said, it's a bad idea to have a loose bottle of liquor in the back seat. If you get in an accident it could wind up hitting someone.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2008-01-13 03:32pm

This headline reminded me of an Onion headline: Foster Mom a Cunt.

Hell, I thought this one was an Onion story at first glance.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2008-01-13 05:59pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:It is when there are other infractions (such as a keg party with stripper) that can get you in trouble because the cops cant ignore it anymore

The problem with the keg party is the more the party than the keg, the parents were giving out alcohol to kids who are not theirs.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2008-01-13 06:04pm

Adrian Laguna wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:It is when there are other infractions (such as a keg party with stripper) that can get you in trouble because the cops cant ignore it anymore
The problem with the keg party is the more the party than the keg, the parents were giving out alcohol to kids who are not theirs.

The problem is also the Keg and the volume of beer that it contains. A keg contains 15½ gallons of beer which more then enough for even a large party to have all the partiers legally drunk if they all drink their share of it.

15½ gallons is a lot of beer to be handing out to underage individuals.

Pulp Hero · Post by **Pulp Hero** » 2008-01-13 07:21pm

You know, this kid is 19 and apparently doesn't have enough money to buy his own car and he still lives at home. To me that says he is not a go-getter, and his parents had the right to dictate whatever rules they felt fit to.

Good parenting by the mom.

And as I by the way, my family was always very laid back about things like drinking, they served alcohol at most big holiday gatherings. My dad's only rule when I went out was that if I got drunk, to just stay out for the night and drive back in the morning. And you know what? I never had a drink when I was out with my friends, because I never felt the need.

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2008-01-13 08:39pm

Generally, going out with a bunch of your friends and getting drunk as a teenager isn't the brightest thing to do (if only because the one sober guy will be taking pictures and putting them on the Internet). Getting drunk as a teenager while in a car? I don't care who's bottle that was, the kid's obviously a no-go when it comes to driving.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-01-13 09:00pm

Pulp Hero wrote:Good parenting by the mom.

Don't be too quick to praise her. She still raised a brat, she bought him a car, and she let him have the idea that it belonged to him even though it really didn't. She's trying to compensate for a lot of bad prior decisions now; I can't fault her for that, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Pulp Hero · Post by **Pulp Hero** » 2008-01-13 10:06pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Pulp Hero wrote:Good parenting by the mom.
Don't be too quick to praise her. She still raised a brat, she bought him a car, and she let him have the idea that it belonged to him even though it really didn't. She's trying to compensate for a lot of bad prior decisions now; I can't fault her for that, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Oh no, doubt, as said above, the kid is 19 and lives at home and didn't buy his own car-pointing to a not great upbringing. But the taking the car away move is a good one, thats all I'm saying.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-01-14 03:08am

Pulp Hero wrote: Oh no, doubt, as said above, the kid is 19 and lives at home and didn't buy his own car-pointing to a not great upbringing. But the taking the car away move is a good one, thats all I'm saying.

Can I just ask how did you arrive at "Not a great upbringing" from the fact he lives at home and didn't buy his own car, as opposed to the fact he carried alcohol in it and apparently whined to his mother about selling it?

What, do properly raised Americans all move away at 19?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-01-14 03:12am

PeZook wrote:
Pulp Hero wrote:Oh no, doubt, as said above, the kid is 19 and lives at home and didn't buy his own car-pointing to a not great upbringing. But the taking the car away move is a good one, thats all I'm saying.
Can I just ask how did you arrive at "Not a great upbringing" from the fact he lives at home and didn't buy his own car, as opposed to the fact he carried alcohol in it and apparently whined to his mother about selling it?

What, do properly raised Americans all move away at 19?

Americans think that everyone should move out at the first available opportunity and own a house by 25. Apartments are perceived to be for losers unless you live in a city where the real-estate is so fucking expensive that rent costs as much as a house mortgage elsewhere. And people wonder why we're loaded down with so much suburban sprawl and personal debt.

Pulp Hero · Post by **Pulp Hero** » 2008-01-14 07:51am

Did I say anything negative about apartments anywhere? I don't want words put in my mouth.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2008-01-14 08:13am

No, you didn't say anything negative about apartments. But you did say that a 19 year old should be rich.

That is rather stupid. Firstly, there's nothing to brag about if a 19 year old takes money from his parents to live on his own. There's no way a 19 year old can afford his own place with money he's earned by himself, unless he works full-time at say Home Depot. And if he does, he's dropped out of school. If he's taking money from his parents to rent a place, then it's no reflection on him at all but rather how well off his parents are. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you borrow money from your dad or mom to live on your own somewhere else, that means you're a "go getter." I can spend other people's money pretty fucking easy too, and it doesn't say a shit about me.

So if you believe 19 year olds should be rich, then it's not a long stretch to think you believe 19 year olds should afford a mortgage at 25.

There's plenty of successful people who live with their parents or mothers or dads like Uraniun235, and it doesn't mean he has no social life and no girlfriend. It's considered loser for a kid to live with his parents, because you're supposed to shit out kids early and have lots of sex. The former is getting more and more uncertain (debate population control with IP one day) and the latter is happening more and more -- I know one girl who stays over with her boyfriend at her house and they fuck like rabbits and the parents don't give a fuck because they aren't religious nutters who hate premarital sex.

In short, get with the times.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-01-14 10:23am

Pulp Hero wrote:Did I say anything negative about apartments anywhere? I don't want words put in my mouth.

You were stupid enough to say that any 19 year old who doesn't own a car and live in his own place (even though that's the age kids go to college and most college students are, what's the word, poor) is proof of bad parenting. I didn't need to put stupid words in your mouth.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2008-01-14 12:18pm

Darth Wong wrote:
PeZook wrote:
Pulp Hero wrote:Oh no, doubt, as said above, the kid is 19 and lives at home and didn't buy his own car-pointing to a not great upbringing. But the taking the car away move is a good one, thats all I'm saying.
Can I just ask how did you arrive at "Not a great upbringing" from the fact he lives at home and didn't buy his own car, as opposed to the fact he carried alcohol in it and apparently whined to his mother about selling it?

What, do properly raised Americans all move away at 19?
Americans think that everyone should move out at the first available opportunity and own a house by 25. Apartments are perceived to be for losers unless you live in a city where the real-estate is so fucking expensive that rent costs as much as a house mortgage elsewhere. And people wonder why we're loaded down with so much suburban sprawl and personal debt.

Don't generalize all American thought based on this dumbass.

@ Pult Hero: The vast majority of my college peers (19-23) LIVE AT HOME when they aren't living on or around campus. When school is out of session they live at HOME. And in many upper-middle class areas it is ROUTINE for a parent to present a car to their child as soon as they get their permit. Debate the merits of presenting everything to a child without making them earn it, but don't assume that this means the have a bad upbringing. Certainly living at home at age 19 is not the mark of bad upbringing

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2008-01-14 12:47pm

The Original Nex wrote:
@ Pult Hero: The vast majority of my college peers (19-23) LIVE AT HOME when they aren't living on or around campus. When school is out of session they live at HOME. And in many upper-middle class areas it is ROUTINE for a parent to present a car to their child as soon as they get their permit. Debate the merits of presenting everything to a child without making them earn it, but don't assume that this means the have a bad upbringing. Certainly living at home at age 19 is not the mark of bad upbringing

If a good deal of Americans didn't feel some sort of entitlement to live an upper-middle class life style even if they can't really afford it, then we wouldn't be having so many sub-prime lending problems in the economy right now.