12 Florida Schools Pass Anti-Evolution Resolutions

[Darth Wong]

It's pretty fucking stupid they can saying evolution is wrong by a simply voting about it. What's next? By majority vote it is now decided that the earth is flat and the moon is made out of cheese?

Basically, yes. Bill O'Reilly has spent a lot of time ranting about how it's "fascist" for scientists to dictate to the rest of us what science is.

[Darth Servo]

Oh, damn, you've gotta see this. I decided to debate the retards commenting there. Here was a latest jucy bit.

Could a box evolve?
Could a paperclip evolve?
Did the Rushmore president faces just happen?

No, because (are you ready for this shocking revelation?) they do not self-replicate. Anything that does self-replicate can and does evolve.

Oh, so the requirement is to be both male and female further complicating the issue and making it even more impossible than a simple box forming itself!

That's easy! Just take a flap off of the box and make a female box!

You people are getting worse all the time.

Yes, the retard reveals he is completely unfamiliar with asexual reproduction, something taught in Jr High bio class.

[Surlethe]

Does he think that there are little man and woman bacteria with penises and vaginas that have sex and, nine months later, a little baby bacterium is born?

[Stark]

What confuses me is the obviously garbled stock argument he's using. I mean, can't form a box randomly, so can't form an animal randomly? Where's the fucking link there? Sand doesn't evolve jack shit randomly, clearly evolution is bogus! What is organic chemistry?

[Zablorg]

What confuses me is the obviously garbled stock argument he's using. I mean, can't form a box randomly, so can't form an animal randomly? Where's the fucking link there?

He thinks that to form an animal randomly is just as likely as forming a box randomly, only the animal is made of lots of randomly formed boxes. He thinks it all comes down to the same basic principle.

[Darth Wong]

What confuses me is the obviously garbled stock argument he's using. I mean, can't form a box randomly, so can't form an animal randomly? Where's the fucking link there? Sand doesn't evolve jack shit randomly, clearly evolution is bogus! What is organic chemistry?

There are two kinds of analogies: the illustrative analogy and the argumentative analogy. The argumentative analogy is used to demonstrate a flaw in your opponent's logic, or to prove a point. The illustrative analogy is used when the other side agrees with you, but just wants clarification of exactly what you mean.

The problem with fundie morons is that they almost always use illustrative analogies as if they were argumentative analogies. That's why they use these stupid-shit analogies which simply restate their idea in different terms rather than proving a point. That's how their "youth pastors" explain it to them, so they turn around and use it on you. The problem is that their youth pastors are literally preaching to the choir, and these imbeciles don't understand that you can't preach to the choir when you're arguing with someone.

[Zablorg]

I find it stupid that the decision to include a field of science in the school curriculum based on how factual it is is being held in the hands of the school board rather than actual scientists, who know much better about it than they do. It's like having nordic (or is it norse?) barbarians deciding whether chemistry is factual. An exaggeration, but still.

[Darth Servo]

Does he think that there are little man and woman bacteria with penises and vaginas that have sex and, nine months later, a little baby bacterium is born?

He tried to lie and claim I was the one who brought up the requirement of male and female.

"Servo, you are the one that said it had to be male and female."

Master back peddler and liar.

[Darth Servo]

This is the retard's main argument, that Job 40 and 41 are talking about actual dinosaurs, thus "proving" God really did write the book and dinosaurs walked the Earth the same time as man.

Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox.

What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly!

His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit.

His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron.

He ranks first among the works of God, yet his Maker can approach him with his sword.

The hills bring him their produce, and all the wild animals play nearby.

Under the lotus plants he lies, hidden among the reeds in the marsh.

The lotuses conceal him in their shadow; the poplars by the stream surround him.

When the river rages, he is not alarmed; he is secure, though the Jordan should surge against his mouth.

Can anyone capture him by the eyes, or trap him and pierce his nose?

Moron boy insists the passage is describing a brachiosaurus.

Can you pull in the leviathan [a] with a fishhook or tie down his tongue with a rope?

Can you put a cord through his nose or pierce his jaw with a hook?

Will he keep begging you for mercy? Will he speak to you with gentle words?

Will he make an agreement with you for you to take him as your slave for life?

Can you make a pet of him like a bird or put him on a leash for your girls?

Will traders barter for him? Will they divide him up among the merchants?

Can you fill his hide with harpoons or his head with fishing spears?

If you lay a hand on him, you will remember the struggle and never do it again!

Any hope of subduing him is false; the mere sight of him is overpowering.

No one is fierce enough to rouse him. Who then is able to stand against me?

Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me.

I will not fail to speak of his limbs, his strength and his graceful form.

Who can strip off his outer coat? Who would approach him with a bridle?

Who dares open the doors of his mouth, ringed about with his fearsome teeth?

His back has rows of shields tightly sealed together;

each is so close to the next that no air can pass between.

They are joined fast to one another; they cling together and cannot be parted.

His snorting throws out flashes of light; his eyes are like the rays of dawn.

Firebrands stream from his mouth; sparks of fire shoot out.

Smoke pours from his nostrils as from a boiling pot over a fire of reeds.

His breath sets coals ablaze, and flames dart from his mouth.

Strength resides in his neck; dismay goes before him.

The folds of his flesh are tightly joined; they are firm and immovable.

His chest is hard as rock, hard as a lower millstone.

When he rises up, the mighty are terrified; they retreat before his thrashing.

The sword that reaches him has no effect, nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.

Iron he treats like straw and bronze like rotten wood.

Arrows do not make him flee; slingstones are like chaff to him.

A club seems to him but a piece of straw; he laughs at the rattling of the lance.

His undersides are jagged potsherds, leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.

He makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.

Behind him he leaves a glistening wake; one would think the deep had white hair.

Nothing on earth is his equal— a creature without fear.

He looks down on all that are haughty; he is king over all that are proud.

And this is supposedly a T-rex. Yep, the idiot fundy thinks the T-rex breathed fire like a dragon.

When pressed with bits from the verses that are clearly NOT like a dinosaur, he falls back on the old "you don't know for sure", "God is just giving us more information than we currently have. It will all be proven in the end that the Bible is absolutely flawless and you were all fools to not believe it".

[Zablorg]

It really pisses me off when Scientists want evolution in Schools and whine when bills like this pass, or are in the works. That idiot who wanted “Under God” taken out of the Pledge should have been shot. I don’t believe having “another thought process” taught in schools is promoting idiosyncratic religious beliefs. I don’t understand why the idea of evolution AND the idea of another creation can be taught in schools? Then let the child make their own decision based on the PRESUMED thought processes presented to them, coupled with their upbringing. IMAGINE THAT - A WORLD WHERE PEOPLE GET ALONG AND TWO SIDES COME TOGETHER…

to ensure religious freedom for all means only allowing a theory of evolution in schools, with no mention of any other theory or thought process? That’s insane, no that’s socialistic…
I was livid when my son came home from school one day and told me he no longer believed in God, but was absolutely convinced that we were products of evolution. I’m sorry, but does anyone not see a problem with that. You can teach evolution as a theory, but I do not approve of teaching it as the ONLY theory because it’s not!!!

Gosh, Servo, you must be having fun with these people.

[Darth Wong]

Is this imbecile aware that school already does promote more than one thought process, by having classes in both science and other subjects like sociology and literature, each of which has its own methods of doing things? But the particular thought process taught in science class is very specifically defined, and definitely precludes the possibility of some dumbshit "theory" like creationism which does not meet even the most basic requirements of science.

[Darth Servo]

Schools aren't teaching his preferred thought process, so of course, he's being repressed.

[wautd]

Oh, damn, you've gotta see this. I decided to debate the retards commenting there. Here was a latest jucy bit.

Heh... I tought that was a familiar name

[wautd]

Oh, damn, you've gotta see this. I decided to debate the retards commenting there. Here was a latest jucy bit.

Heh... I tought that was a familiar name

Damn, posted to quick.

I loved when he said something about how your scources are bogus right after you quoted directly out of the bible

[Ritterin Sophia]

I remember playing a little game with Mith over at SB.com, he named a Biblical creature and I tried to find out what creature it best describes or which creature's remains could've influenced it.

We concluded the Behemoth, sounded most like an Indricotherium, because dinosaurs aren't known for their large penii.

Leviathin sounded like some form of pliosaurid like liopleurodon, or a mosasaur. Apparently Gustave Doré got the same impression, as his 1865 engraving looks like an enormous mosasaur.

You might want to ask moron boy why he though a T-Rex would go towards water, considering the kind of monsters that were large enough to consider him a light snack.

[Zablorg]

Oh, damn, you've gotta see this. I decided to debate the retards commenting there. Here was a latest jucy bit.

Heh... I tought that was a familiar name

I actually cant find him in the comments section.

[Zablorg]

Oh, damn, you've gotta see this. I decided to debate the retards commenting there. Here was a latest jucy bit.

Heh... I tought that was a familiar name

I actually cant find him in the comments section.

GAH! Stupid me. Wrong page.

[Zablorg]

Well, I tried to tell DR and Daleri how it is, and the auto-thingy picked up traces of spam. The post is going to be reviewed by the blog author.

DR... You are an idiot. You clearly have no idea what evolution is. You are obviously thinking of abiogenesis. Someone who knows what they are talking about would not make such a mistake.

Daleri, I'm going to have to tell you to shut up. If you honestly think that Tyranosaurus breathed fire, you obviously haven't been educated at all. Period.

And don't give me this shit about "OMG WE DONT KNOW THAT HE DIDNT BREATH FIRE LOL". We don't know that Santa Clause doesn't exist. Let's start believing in him, too.

Retard.

I would have gone into more detail, but I couldn't be bothered.

[Hillary]

<sarcasm>

Oh, thats just microevolution, not macroevolution

</sarcasm>

I think this guy argues that point as hilariously as I've seen it

A drug-resistant bacteria is still a bacteria; it’s not a cat. This is called micro-evolution, changes WITHIN a species.

The stupid.....it burns

[Lusankya]

A drug-resistant bacteria is still a bacteria; it’s not a cat. This is called micro-evolution, changes WITHIN a species.

The stupid.....it burns

I felt compelled to reply to that:

PC: you said “A drug-resistant bacteria is still a bacteria; it’s not a cat.”

I suppose you would’t mind then if you had Tuberculosis, and your doctor treated you for Salmonella. After all, they’re both the same species, right?

[Darth Wong]

A drug-resistant bacteria is still a bacteria; it’s not a cat. This is called micro-evolution, changes WITHIN a species.

And a brick is still a brick. It is not a coliseum. And yet ... it's funny how a whole shitload of bricks can eventually become a coliseum, isn't it? Why are these imbeciles incapable of understanding that a shitload of microevolution will eventually become macroevolution, and that this is in fact precisely what the difference between "micro" and "macro" means?

[wautd]

I just noticed a lot of the creationists in the flascience and abc-news blog discussions have either a "Dr." in front or their name or claim to have an esteemed profession.

"I'm an engineer and I have to deal with the second law of thermodynamics on a daily basis"
Or
"I used to be an evolutionist scientist" (is that even a word?) and then ask something like but "why don't boxes evolve?"


I don't know which diploma mill they bought their degrees from, but it must make quite some profit

[Rye]

"Hey man, humans are still cellular life!"

I mean, these people can look at a fertilised egg, a human when it's just a single cell. They can see the cell divide and divide again and consider it a person, yet when faced with the fact that small alterations can allow something initially a single celled organism to vary into multicellular life that specialises further into eventually humans and all other life, they think it's outlandish and there are walls defining organisms as "kinds" and preventing such variation.

[Darth Servo]

I don't know which diploma mill they bought their degrees from, but it must make quite some profit

Why even give them that much credit? Daleri didn't even know about asexual reproduction, something we teach in Jr High.

[Darth Ruinus]

Henry, I will make sure I pray for your sole tonight

Notice how he spelled soul.