Outside the Milky way in the 40K Universe

[Zor]

Beyond the Extragalactic origin of the Nids, has ever been adressed at what the WH40K universe is like? Is it concievable that, if a group of people (and i don't praticularly care whom) packed up their belongings and shot themselves off to the Andromeda Galaxy and they (or their ansestors) arrived safely, they would be safe from the powers of Chaos and Corruption, of soul sucking C'tan and the like, and could live like humans did way back before the shit hit the fan in the WH40K universe?

Zor

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

The Necrontyr were, as far as I know, an intergalactic sort of race (they certainly have the technology for it) so presumably they have stuff stashed around various galaxies.

The warp spans the entire universe of course, so its presence would always be felt, though far away from the tenuous fabric of the Milky Way and the influence of quadrillions of sapient beings it would likely be much calmer. Remember that Chaos, "corruption," the Ruinous Powers and so on are really just the anthropomorphized salient mental and emotional makeup of sapient beings, rather than truly independent entities that can exert force at will all over the universe.

[Big Orange]

The Old Ones may have fled to another distant galaxy, the Tyranids are a extra-galactic threat, while the C'Tan and their minions may have a major presence in other galaxies, while the Eldar have been around long enough to explore other galaxies as well. Could there DAoT humans outside the Milky Way as well?

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Could there DAoT humans outside the Milky Way as well?

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a some odds and ends scattered thinly through the galactic halo.

[Vehrec]

Given the numbers of lost colonies rediscovered to this very day? It seems likely that DAoT humans explored very great distances. I would not be surprised if there was a mini-empire of humans on the far side of the Tau.

[white_rabbit]

Beyond the Extragalactic origin of the Nids, has ever been adressed at what the WH40K universe is like? Is it concievable that, if a group of people (and i don't praticularly care whom) packed up their belongings and shot themselves off to the Andromeda Galaxy and they (or their ansestors) arrived safely, they would be safe from the powers of Chaos and Corruption, of soul sucking C'tan and the like, and could live like humans did way back before the shit hit the fan in the WH40K universe?

Zor

Da Universe is Green!

There are supposed to be other non-downloaded C'tan around as well as I recall.

Until the Nids extragalactic origin gets retconned, the Warp extends past the limits of the Milky Way as well, so anythings possible.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Da Universe is Green!

Pretty much.

It's been mentioned in the Ork codex and other sources that a pre-Imperium intergalactic probe is buzzing around the outer limits of the universe, picking up virtually nothing but Orkish signals.

they would be safe from the powers of Chaos and Corruption

What made you assume that Chaos only effects a particular space in 40K? I'm just baffled.

[Starglider]

The warp spans the entire universe of course, so its presence would always be felt, though far away from the tenuous fabric of the Milky Way and the influence of quadrillions of sapient beings it would likely be much calmer. Remember that Chaos, "corruption," the Ruinous Powers and so on are really just the anthropomorphized salient mental and emotional makeup of sapient beings, rather than truly independent entities that can exert force at will all over the universe.

So if I used super-advanced genetic engineering to create the Care Bears in a distant uninhabited corner of the WH40K universe, the local warp entities will all be Belldandy-like in their overwhelming niceness?

[Ford Prefect]

So if I used super-advanced genetic engineering to create the Care Bears in a distant uninhabited corner of the WH40K universe, the local warp entities will all be Belldandy-like in their overwhelming niceness?

This is an awful, awful, disgusting suggestion, and you should be struck soundly across the face for it.

[Zor]

The warp spans the entire universe of course, so its presence would always be felt, though far away from the tenuous fabric of the Milky Way and the influence of quadrillions of sapient beings it would likely be much calmer. Remember that Chaos, "corruption," the Ruinous Powers and so on are really just the anthropomorphized salient mental and emotional makeup of sapient beings, rather than truly independent entities that can exert force at will all over the universe.

So if I used super-advanced genetic engineering to create the Care Bears in a distant uninhabited corner of the WH40K universe, the local warp entities will all be Belldandy-like in their overwhelming niceness?

HUGS FOR THE HUG GOD!

Zor

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I sure hope no hair-brained fool decides to round up some extra-galactic uber villian other than the Tyranids to go one on one with the Imperium. In some ways an intergalactic war might be interesting, but it really stretches what the Imperium can do (unless some divine intervention of the Eldar).

[Uraniun235]

Don't be absurd. It wouldn't be "extra-galactic uber villain goes one-on-one with the Imperium"; it would be "extra-galactic uber villain goes one-on-one with the Tyranid main invasion fleet (as I've heard the current force is just a "scout party" or something) just in the nick of time to maintain the status quo".

[NecronLord]

There's Orks in other galaxies.

The novel Space Marine had them find the preserved corpse of an extra-galactic alien warrior, dead for 14,000 years, aboard a tyranid ship, too.

That's about it for what's known.

[Lord Relvenous]

Beyond the Extragalactic origin of the Nids, has ever been adressed at what the WH40K universe is like? Is it concievable that, if a group of people (and i don't praticularly care whom) packed up their belongings and shot themselves off to the Andromeda Galaxy and they (or their ansestors) arrived safely, they would be safe from the powers of Chaos and Corruption, of soul sucking C'tan and the like, and could live like humans did way back before the shit hit the fan in the WH40K universe?

Zor

Yeah i gotta admit, the whole premise of this post confuses me. What's to say there aren't empires worse than man in the other galaxies? Odds are there are other life-forms in those galaxies that we don't know about that are just as bad as Tyranids. And then there are the Orks, which have been mentioned.

[RIPP_n_WIPE]

The Necrontyr were, as far as I know, an intergalactic sort of race (they certainly have the technology for it) so presumably they have stuff stashed around various galaxies.

The warp spans the entire universe of course, so its presence would always be felt, though far away from the tenuous fabric of the Milky Way and the influence of quadrillions of sapient beings it would likely be much calmer. Remember that Chaos, "corruption," the Ruinous Powers and so on are really just the anthropomorphized salient mental and emotional makeup of sapient beings, rather than truly independent entities that can exert force at will all over the universe.

This one of the things I've never quite gotten about 40k. If the chaos powers are all negative emotion from quadrillions of beings than if the galaxy was "peaceful" would they perish?

And what about the emperor? Is his power derived from his worshippers or his he naturally just like "Fuck off chaos?" I mean he was insanely powerful back in the day and no one was supposed to be worshipping him. So is he like the biggest baddy in the galaxy?

[NecronLord]

This one of the things I've never quite gotten about 40k. If the chaos powers are all negative emotion from quadrillions of beings than if the galaxy was "peaceful" would they perish?

Yes. The first hostile warp entities were born when the Old Ones genetically engineered their slave races to be progressively more agressive and psychic. Chaos are representations of emotions, but generally negative; other deities, such as Isha, are not inherently negative, though.

And what about the emperor? Is his power derived from his worshippers or his he naturally just like "Fuck off chaos?" I mean he was insanely powerful back in the day and no one was supposed to be worshipping him. So is he like the biggest baddy in the galaxy?

A little from column A, a little from column B.

Specifically, he was made by the union of all of Earth's original psykers, making him immensely naturally powerful. But in the current era, it appears that the worship contributes - the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath, generally attributed to him, if far beyond his feats pre-Throne.

[Vanas]

This one of the things I've never quite gotten about 40k. If the chaos powers are all negative emotion from quadrillions of beings than if the galaxy was "peaceful" would they perish?

And what about the emperor? Is his power derived from his worshippers or his he naturally just like "Fuck off chaos?" I mean he was insanely powerful back in the day and no one was supposed to be worshipping him. So is he like the biggest baddy in the galaxy?

IIRC, the Chaos Gods have their good aspects as well; Chivalry/honour, hope, love and whatever's good about Nurgle. Sheer bloody-mindedness, perhaps. Stopping da fightin' would presumably make them get all warm and fuzzy, eventually.

As for the Emperor, isn't he the distilled power of a pile of psykers from way back when? Or did they retcon that one? Still, at present, I think he's a little bit of both of your ideas RnW.

[Adrian Laguna]

This one of the things I've never quite gotten about 40k. If the chaos powers are all negative emotion from quadrillions of beings than if the galaxy was "peaceful" would they perish?

No, they also embody postitive emotions. The negative emotions are dominant because they are more prevalent, the galaxy being "peaceful" might make them less corrupting and nicer. However, since sapient beings have a nasty tendency to be dicks to eachother, that's almost impossible.

And what about the emperor? Is his power derived from his worshippers or his he naturally just like "Fuck off chaos?" I mean he was insanely powerful back in the day and no one was supposed to be worshipping him. So is he like the biggest baddy in the galaxy?

The Emperor used to be the psyker to end all psykers. When people started worshipping him, especially after he was put on the Golden Throne, he almost became a warp god himself. He is not quite, but even without being a full blown God, he is powerful enough to hold-off the four major Warp Gods in check. It's alse entirely possible he is also restrainging Gort and Mort's powers (Ork warp gods), and some of the Tyranid Hive Mind.

It's pretty much taken for granted that if the God-Emperor of Man were to become the God of Man, he would make the Ruinous Powers into his whipped bitches. However, there is no way to make that happen. It might occurs if he's unplugged from the Throne, but he could also simply drop dead.

[Adrian Laguna]

IIRC, the Chaos Gods have their good aspects as well; Chivalry/honour, hope, love and whatever's good about Nurgle. Sheer bloody-mindedness, perhaps. Stopping da fightin' would presumably make them get all warm and fuzzy, eventually.

Nurgle is love, not Slaanesh. Hard to believe, true, but part of Grampa Nurgle's appeal is that he loves all his children equally and unconditionally. He'll still like you even if you're a royal fuck-up. Slaanesh is pleasure, I dare say that pleasure is a positive emotion when not taken to extremes.

[Vanas]

Ah yeah, I forgot about that. I don't really look much into those two, Tzeench and Khorne are always more interesting. Well, Tzeench is and 90% of Chaos seems to be frothing Khornates.

[NecronLord]

It's pretty much taken for granted that if the God-Emperor of Man were to become the God of Man, he would make the Ruinous Powers into his whipped bitches. However, there is no way to make that happen. It might occurs if he's unplugged from the Throne, but he could also simply drop dead.

It's not. All the sources say he'd have to fight for it; there's an equally good chance they'll destroy him when he finally dies. It's just not talked about so much by fans because it's less interesting.

[Stravo]

It's pretty much taken for granted that if the God-Emperor of Man were to become the God of Man, he would make the Ruinous Powers into his whipped bitches. However, there is no way to make that happen. It might occurs if he's unplugged from the Throne, but he could also simply drop dead.

It's not. All the sources say he'd have to fight for it; there's an equally good chance they'll destroy him when he finally dies. It's just not talked about so much by fans because it's less interesting.

I don't know about this Emperor of Man whooping ass were he to become the Star Child. The Ruinous powers have what? untold millennia experience on their side and there are three of them? He would get overwhelmed just by numbers alone. And what would his "portfolio" be so to speak? Khorne has violence and anger, Slaanesh is lust, what does he get? Self-Righteousness?

[Big Orange]

There are four major Chaos beings in the Warp, but as powerful as the Chaos gos are they are far too narrow focussed with their talents (ie Slaneesh is just about fucking, Khorne only wants to beat things up etc), while the God Emperor as the Star Child would presumably be more multi-talented while the balance would be swung towards his favor depending on how many trillions of humans that are religiously loyal to him.

[NecronLord]

I don't know about this Emperor of Man whooping ass were he to become the Star Child. The Ruinous powers have what? untold millennia experience on their side

Basically irrelevant. The oldest extant chaos god is a few tens of thousands years old. The Eldar dieties were a thousand times as old, but it didn't help them. (Well, except for the Laughing God, whom it did)

and there are three of them?

Four of them

He would get overwhelmed just by numbers alone. And what would his "portfolio" be so to speak? Khorne has violence and anger, Slaanesh is lust, what does he get? Self-Righteousness?

Hope. Benevolence. Love (all types). Humanity. Possibly the Eldar, too (depending on just what the influence of the Harlequins is there).

The Star Child isn't the Emperor, it's the human bits of the Emperor's conciousness that he cast out of himself in order to slay his beloved son.

[Adrian Laguna]

It's not. All the sources say he'd have to fight for it; there's an equally good chance they'll destroy him when he finally dies. It's just not talked about so much by fans because it's less interesting.

The way I understand it is that if you unplug him from the Golden Throne, he walks, dies, or becomes the God of Man. If you destroy his body, rather than unplugging it, you eliminate the "walk" option. Which happens depends on the interaction between the parts of him still bound to his corporeal self, and the parts of him that have become God-like and are wandering the Warp. If the warp part unites with his corporeal part, he walks but becomes considerably less powerful. If it's the other way around, he becomes a true Warp God and much more powerful. If the connection between the two is severed, he dies; the corporeal part simply expires and the warpy part is beat into submission by the powers of Chaos.