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A passenger plane has crash-landed short of a runway at Heathrow Airport after losing its rear undercarriage.

All 136 passengers and 16 crew escaped from the British Airways flight BA038 from Beijing. Six people have been taken to hospital with minor injuries.

An airport worker told the BBC the pilot on the Boeing 777 had said he had lost all power, and had been forced to glide the plane into land.

All BA short-haul flights from Heathrow have been cancelled and others delayed.

The worker also said the pilot had told him all the electronics had also failed.

"He said he had no warning - it just went," the worker added.

BA refused to comment on the report and said it would not speculate on the cause of the crash.

Police say the incident was not terror-related.

'Enormous bang'

The incident happened on the south runway at 1242 GMT, as Prime Minister Gordon Brown was due to leave Heathrow for China and India. His flight was delayed because of the incident.

The runway was initially closed, but reopened later to take-offs only. The north runway remained open throughout the incident.

A telephone helpline has been set up for anyone concerned about friends or relatives on 0800 3894193.

The Department of Transport's Air Accidents Investigation Branch has launched an investigation.

Rolls Royce, which manufactured the plane's two Trent 800 engines, said it was also sending a specialist team to assist with the inquiry.

Aviation expert Kieran Daly, from Flight International magazine, said not a single Boeing 777 had been lost in a crash since the aircraft was launched in 1995.

Eyewitness John Rowland said: "The plane's wheels collapsed, doors were flown open.

"On its approach it took the runway too low, just missing the roof of my cab.



"It crashed into the runway, debris was flying everywhere, there was an enormous bang and it skidded sideways."

Another eyewitness, a taxi driver, said the plane flew over the nearby M4 motorway "so low you would think you could lean out the window and touch it".

"It passed over my vehicle at something like 20ft and over the perimeter [fence] at 15ft before it plunged into the runway," he told the BBC.

BA said the cabin crew had done an "excellent job" evacuating passengers, and that it would release more information as soon as it was available.

Chief executive of BA Willie Walsh said he was "very proud" of the crew and the Boeing 777 was an "excellent aircraft".

"We train hard for incidents such as this, and all that training has paid off today," Mr Walsh said.

Fernando Pardo was a passenger on the plane. He told the BBC there was "no sign whatsoever of any trouble until we touched the ground".

"It was so quick that you could not even realise what exactly happened. There was no panic at all," he said.

But Paul Venter, who was also on board, said he had been aware of a problem just as the plane was about to land.

"I could hear the undercarriage come out, and the next moment the plane just dropped," Mr Venter said.

"The wheels came out and went for touchdown, and the next moment we just dropped. I couldn't tell you how far.

"When everything came to a standstill, I looked out of the window and the undercarriage was gone and the plane was on its belly.

"I didn't speak to the pilot, but I saw him, and he looked very pale, but there was no communication in the cabin."

A London Ambulance spokeswoman said there were eight ambulances at Heathrow, and six passengers had been taken to nearby Hillingdon Hospital with minor injuries.

She could not give details of the type of injuries the passengers suffered.

'Dousing of foam'

Another eyewitness, Nick Gray, told BBC News: "There were some sparks as the undercarriage or the bottom of the plane actually touched the runway - certainly a huge amount of smoke coming up from that.

"It was incredibly efficient the speed that people got off the aircraft.

"There seems to have been regular dousing of foam on the port engine which obviously probably was the hottest one where the plane landed."

More than 90 flights had been cancelled at Heathrow by 1530 GMT. Some flights bound for Heathrow are being diverted to Stansted and Luton Airports.

Manchester Airport said its BA flights to Heathrow on Thursday afternoon had been cancelled.

John McDonnell MP, whose Hayes and Harlington constituency includes Heathrow, told the BBC that the incident underlined concerns about extending the airport.

"This is a near miracle that neither passengers or anyone on the ground has been seriously injured," Mr McDonnell said.

The plane involved is one of 43 Boeing 777s in BA's fleet. It is about believed to be about six years old.
Talk about a lucky escape :)
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"I didn't speak to the pilot, but I saw him, and he looked very pale,
Emphasis mine.

I wonder why? ;)

Nice to hear that no one was seriously injured. I can only imagine the size of the investigation about to start.
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John McDonnell MP, whose Hayes and Harlington constituency includes Heathrow, told the BBC that the incident underlined concerns about extending the airport.
Nice to see a bit of political opportunism in the aftermath of a near-tragedy.
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EDIT: Because extending the airport would of course make it more likely for planes to land short of the runway.
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Dartzap wrote:Talk about a lucky escape :)
What, no credit to the crew for handling a loss of power? While luck was a factor, skill played a major role in so many people able to walk away from such a situation.

Wild speculation time: The gear collapse might have been related to the power failure - while there are back up systems to deploy landing gear with loss of power they don't always function perfectly and a gear collapse is always a risk during a power off landing. Also, lack of power can seriously cut down on the maneuverability of the aircraft, which means it may not be perfectly aligned with the runway and the resulting side-loads may also cause gear collapse. Although further review of the reports indicate this may have been more a problem of dragging the wheels through turf than a deployment problem.

You delay deploying the gear in a power-off landing because gear causes drag and with no power you want to very much conserve altitude and momentum as much as possible. Of course, you don't want to delay TOO long, or it won't come down and lock in time (another potential cause of gear collapse.

Likewise, depending on what is and isn't working and how well it's working you may arrive with a much different glide angle than normal, which could account for the very low approach. Given that the airplane didn't quite make the runway the pilot was probably trying to squeeze as much glide as possible out of the machine.

Also, given that the touch down apparently wasn't on pavement but onto sod I'm not surprised at all that parts of the landing gear were ripped off the airplane - 777's weigh an amazing amount, which would tend to drive the wheels into the ground. This brings the wheels to a very sudden stop while the rest of the airplane continues to move forward, with results as shown.

The "drop" at the end just before touchdown may have been the pilot attempting a full-stall landing - this slows down the airplane to the absolute minimum speed before contacting the ground. There is, obviously, some risk in doing this a little too high (you don't want to drop far enough to hurt yourself) but the idea is that by landing at the minimum possible speed you reduce the risk of injury from high-speed impact. Airliners such as that normally land around 120 mph/195 kph. They might be able to drop that down to 110 or even 100 mph with this technique (160-180 kph) which will reduce the momentum and kinetic energy involved in any upcoming impact. It will also shorten the stopping distance of an aircraft, which again reduces the chances of you crashing into something else. A full stall landing feels odd to the average person because they don't normally experience it, and it can feel like a drop or fall.

The thing is, they made it to an area where they weren't going to hit people or buildings, thus greatly enhancing the prospects of survival for all concerned.
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I say Kudos to the aircrew for setting the bird down as well as they did. Eighteen minor injuries out of 136 is pretty good for missing the runway completely.
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As far as crashes go, one that doesn't kill anyone, is at the right airport at the end of the flight and ends up on the runway eventually is a good one.

Nice work from the crew, I guess.
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Here's a close up of damage to the left area. It looks like some of the undercarriage may have been forced up through the wing structure, although it's hard to be sure from photos. They won't be using this airplane again except for salvage and parts:

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A view of the right side, showing damage there. At lower left you can see a furrow dug in the ground. I think, from what I see here, it was dug by the engine nacelle - a sign of Severe Landing Gear Problems. It would also explain the engine damage seen in other photos.

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Yep - severe problems with the landing gear:

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And a bird's eye view of the situation:

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Some eyewitness accounts, with emphasis added by me:
Chloe Richards - passenger wrote:"It felt like it had gone slightly sideways, but it didn't particularly feel like a crash. We thought it had just been a bumpy landing, until the oxygen masks and parts of panelling came down off the plane.
Jerome Ensinck - passenger wrote:The moment I walked away from the airport I started to realise the complete undercarriage of the plane was missing, that we had missed the runway by 100m, that the wheels were lying scattered over the area.

So we had thought nothing had gone wrong, it was just a bad landing.

But [we] realised afterwards it was a fairly close call.
Wow - apparently the pilots made it a gentle crash landing! I am impressed - managing a touchdown like that so smoothly passengers think it's just a normal sort of bumpy landing...!
John Rowland - taxi driver wrote:I actually went into a cringing type of mode and looked out of the window of my cab to notice the tail just going across the roof of my cab, which seemed like a matter of feet but was obviously more because it just missed the perimeter fence.

And then [the plane] belly-flopped into the runway where the undercarriage collapsed and it careered skidding down the runway.
Royston Weiman - eyewitness wrote: It seemed to be coming straight at first and then it sort of, almost, flipped a bit and then just belly flopped into the grass.
This would be consistent with a full-stall landing - the airplane nose rises higher until the stall, after which it does drop. The collapsing landing gear would soak up a lot of the energy of the impact, as would pieces shearing off the airplane.

And finally - this quote from a couple living near the airplane just seems so very British, and very different from what we usually see quoted in the US:
From the comfort of their living room, Mr and Mrs Chinery watched the television images of the damaged passenger plane lying across the runway.

Despite living just a few hundreds metres from where the plane crashed, she and her husband were unfazed.

Joan Chinery said: "We've been here nearly 50 years. We're not going to move because of what's happened.

"After a while you just stop taking notice of the planes altogether."

The pair are more concerned about the cars roaring past on the A30, yards from their house.

Mrs Chinery said: "You've got a better chance of walking out the road here and being knocked down by a car than being killed by a plane.
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Androsphinx wrote:EDIT: Because extending the airport would of course make it more likely for planes to land short of the runway.
The plan is for a whole new runway, not longer runways. That new runway would be used to support throwing even more planes at what is already by far the world’s busiest airport, which without question will increase pollution noise and the risk of accidents by mere fact that so many more planes would be in the area. Its overall a stupid idea when Britain already has so many other underutilized airports.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
Androsphinx wrote:EDIT: Because extending the airport would of course make it more likely for planes to land short of the runway.
The plan is for a whole new runway, not longer runways. That new runway would be used to support throwing even more planes at what is already by far the world’s busiest airport, which without question will increase pollution noise and the risk of accidents by mere fact that so many more planes would be in the area. Its overall a stupid idea when Britain already has so many other underutilized airports.


Yes, it would give Heathrow a third major runway. This gives the airport considerably more capacity, and will reduce congestion - and thus the chances of accidents.

And there are five major international airports in and around London, including Heathrow, which just opened a 5th terminal, and has begun the groundwork for a 6th. I would not call any of them underused (except perhaps for City)
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Androsphinx wrote:Yes, it would give Heathrow a third major runway. This gives the airport considerably more capacity, and will reduce congestion - and thus the chances of accidents.
You are statistically most likely to get into an accident near an airport than anywhere else because airplanes congregate near airports (it's also where they come in close contact with the ground). When you increase the number of aircraft in a given volume of space you are increasing the risk of certain types of accidents. Air traffic control and some types of modern technology will mitigate much of the risk, which is one reason why aviation is such a safe mode of transport despite the inherent risks of leaving the ground. Merely adding another runway will not automatically increase safety, other things have to happen as well. I would like to think that the aviation authorities in the UK and those making decisions about such construction projects realize this and are acting properly, however, it is also entirely reasonable for those most likely to be affected by such changes - the passengers and the people living/working near the airport - to question whether or not additional traffic is necessary, desirable, and if proper safety measures are being taken.
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Thanks for the info Broomstick.

Seems like the Air Crew did a terrific job.
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I think this accident illustrates the importance of having clear terrain at both ends of the runway. Compare the image of Heathrow posted by Broomstick to Midway Airport in Chicago, which has approximately jack and shit in terms clearance.
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"Jack shit" is a rather generous appraisal of the clearance at runway ends at Midway (I would suggest "nonexistent"). But yes, at an airport like Midway there would have been far greater destruction and greater odds of loss of life on the ground for a similar accident.
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Adrian Laguna wrote:I think this accident illustrates the importance of having clear terrain at both ends of the runway. Compare the image of Heathrow posted by Broomstick to Midway Airport in Chicago, which has approximately jack and shit in terms clearance.
The runways at Chicago, IIRC (it's been a while) are a lot shorter than the Heathrow ones as well, which doesn't help things.

Broomstick: You are of course correct. The shameless, knee-jerk ignorance of the MP in question just irritated me.
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Runway lengths at Chicago Midway (rounded off after converting from feet to meters):

13C-31C 1988m x 46m
13L-31R 1567m x 46m
13R-31L 1176m X 18m
4L-22R 1678m X 46m
4R-22L 1965 X 46m


Runway lengths at Heathrow:

09L/27R: 3902m x 50m
09R/27L: 3658m x 45m
23: 1962m x 45m
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Stupid parentheses, I should have remembered BBCode hates them.
Broomstick wrote:"Jack shit" is a rather generous appraisal of the clearance at runway ends at Midway (I would suggest "nonexistent").
I think there is a lack of consensus as to what exactly "jack shit" means, since I meant it to mean "nonexistent" and you seem to be reading it as "very little".
Runway lengths
That's quite a difference, though it should be taken into account that Midway was designed to handle smaller planes than Heathrow. It would be more fair to compare O'Hare to Heathrow when talking about runway lengths. The lack of clearance, on the other hand, is unacceptable in any airport.
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Runway lengths at O'Hare (converted from feet again)

14L-32R 3050m x 46m
14R-32L 3962m X 61m
4L-22R 2286m x 46m
4R-22L 3461m x 46m
10-28 3092m X 46m
9R-27L 2428m x 46m
H1 61m x 30m (helicopter pad)


And, in case you forgot or are too lazy to scroll up, runway lengths at Heathrow:

09L/27R: 3902m x 50m
09R/27L: 3658m x 45m
23: 1962m x 45m
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Any idea of what caused the accident? My first thought was wind shear but it's sounding like perhaps the plane lost power during the approach.
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The pilots said they lost power during the approach, and that would be consistent with the end result. The next question is WHY did the airplane lose power?
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Broomstick wrote:The pilots said they lost power during the approach, and that would be consistent with the end result. The next question is WHY did the airplane lose power?
My first guess would be a birdstrike. Or in this case since it sounds like they lost both engines they hit a flock. If they had run out of fuel I would have expected a lot of attention to be heaped on that point.
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No, I don't think it was a birdstrike, either single or multiple. I've been on an airliner that had a bird take out an engine and trust me, you notice even if you're a passenger (a bird strike can also do minimal or no damage, in which case you only know about it when you see blood and feathers dripping off the aircraft after landing - but in that case you wouldn't have the exciting landing). If it was a birdstrike I'd expect the pilot to say that. He said "lost power" and there were a couple of mentions of problems with the avionics. Birdstrikes don't affect electronic systems like that, at least I can't think of a way they'd have that effect.
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Point taken on the fact that no mention has been made of anybody noticing a strike; I would expect electronics issues to come up in the event of a significant strike on the engine(s) when they lose power and the generators stop turning. Though that doesn't take the APU into account.
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Brilliant news: The man who actually did the landing thankfully didn't live up to his name - John Coward :lol:

Apparently the captain took everyone for a curry afterwards, to return to them to 'normality'
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