Israel Eyes Skynet to Fight 'Doomsday' Missile Strikes

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Israel Eyes Skynet to Fight 'Doomsday' Missile Strikes

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Wired wrote:Israel has been hit in recent years by thousands and thousands of rockets, mortar shells, and missiles. And that could be just a preview of the onslaught Iran may one day unleash. So Israeli military leaders have begun early planning for a new, robotic defense system, armed with enough artificial intelligence that it "could take over completely" from flesh-and-blood operators.
"It will be designed for... autonomous operations,' Brig. Gen. Daniel Milo, commander of Israel's air defense forces, tells Defense News' Barbara Opall-Rome. And in the event of a "doomsday" strike, Opall-Rome notes, the system could handle "attacks that exceed physiological limits of human command."

How do you say "Skynet" in Hebrew, again?
Israel already uses a blend of Arrow and Patriot interceptors to handle incoming rockets and missiles.
This new command-and-control program would be "superimposed over all those defenses" -- and over new ones to come.

Experts here described the as-yet-unnamed system as a kind of supremely oriented, highly intuitive virtual coach-cum-battle manager whose primary mission would support system operators and commanders during engagements. As such, the super system would help Israeli air defenders pick the optimum timing, sequence and targets for specific interceptors.

Air defense systems today often take a great deal of the work away from the troops who supposedly run them. The machines automatically slew to their targets, lock on... and then await instructions from flesh-and-blood.

At least they do, most of the time. Back in October, however, some sort of glitch allowed a South African air defense cannon to spin out of control -- killing 9, and wounding 14.

In "extreme scenarios, where the number of incoming weapons could overwhelm today’s [air defense] systems and their human operators, [Israel's] envisioned super system could take over completely," Opall-Rome writes.

“It will be designed for man-in-the-loop as well as autonomous operations,” said Milo, the officer spearheading the vision within Israel’s user community. “But right now, our emphasis is on algorithms, not autonomy. Man-machine interface is the name of the game, because the more clever we make the interface, the more successful we’ll be in providing operators and commanders the situational awareness they’ll need to make very tough decisions...”

“Our approach cannot be based exclusively on man-in-the-loop, nor can it rely only on the opposite. Rather, we need to build an operational concept and a system that is flexible and situationally dependent,” Milo said.

In the future, and “under very complex scenarios,” Milo said, the envisioned super system would be able to generate a level of supreme situational awareness and snap intuitive capabilities that could surpass the very best wartime commanders.

“We’re talking about something that sees everything and calculates everything and makes decisions that can only be made through a real revolution in BMC4ISR [Battle Management/Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance],” he said. “We’re not there yet, and it could take a decade. But this is our vision and we’re running in that direction.”

UPDATE wrote: Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, Israel's arms development firm, unveiled plans for a new missile system Tuesday designed to intercept mid to long-range rockets and missiles of the kind used by Hezbollah during the Second Lebanon War.

The firm introduced the "Stunner" missile during a visit from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, the Prime Minister's Office said.

Jointly developed by Rafael and the U.S. defense contractor Raytheon as a counter to medium-range missiles and rockets, Stunner is likely to become operational in four years. It will be incorporated into the new Magic Wand anti-missile system.

Because of the advanced technologies involved, the estimated cost of each individual missile is the relatively high sum of several hundred thousand dollars.

A defense source said Tuesday that the missile is meant to serve as the interceptor element of a defensive system called Magic Wand. The system is meant to provide a defense against missiles and rockets whose range is between 40 and 250 kilometers, like Hezbollah's Zilzal and Fajr missiles.

The first layer of this defensive structure will include Iron Dome, which Rafael is developing against Qassam and Katyusha rockets. That system's intercepting missile is dubbed Tamir.

Magic Wand and Iron Dome will complement the Arrow missile defense system, which intercepts long-range missiles and is already operational.
No word on thinking machines, though.
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Considering the expense of the Stunner weapon system, I wonder if the Israeli Defense Forces would be better served by ground-based versions of the Phalanx or Goalkeeper CIWS.
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What if the AI causes the Israeli military defense system to defect to the terrorists? Or to the Arab states!?!?!

Pretty cool, though.
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Sidewinder wrote:Considering the expense of the Stunner weapon system, I wonder if the Israeli Defense Forces would be better served by ground-based versions of the Phalanx or Goalkeeper CIWS.
A gun system like that can’t defend more then perhaps a 1km radius around its self, and even a much heavier anti missile gun like the OTO 76mm wouldn’t do much better. Israeli did look at the US deployment of C-RAM, but rejected it because of that shortfall. Guns defend points, you need a missile to defend an area.

The Israelis are planning on deploying several different systems in conjunction, each scaled to deal with a particular class of rocket. Stunner is intended to deal with missiles with a range of 40-200 kilometers; you really couldn’t expect to do its job with a gun under any circumstances. Arrow and Patriot handle missiles from over 200km. The real small rockets will be dealt with via something they’ve only called Iron Cap, which has a goal of costing only 30,000 USD per interceptor missile. That’s similar to the cost of a MANPADS or ATGM. However all these programs are not fully funded, and while deployment is supposed to come quickly, it could still be five years if everything goes well.
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I wonder why the Israelis just don't use counterbattery radar and fire a FAE-warhead missile back at the launching point of every piss-ant missile their unruly neighbors fire at them?

It's really utter bullshit that Israel should have to endure this constant attack without retaliating.
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KlavoHunter wrote:I wonder why the Israelis just don't use counterbattery radar and fire a FAE-warhead missile back at the launching point of every piss-ant missile their unruly neighbors fire at them?

It's really utter bullshit that Israel should have to endure this constant attack without retaliating.

Because that would cause civilian deaths. The people that fire these things off don't stick around to suffer for what they have done, they leave quickly or even have the missile fire on a timer.
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KlavoHunter wrote:I wonder why the Israelis just don't use counterbattery radar and fire a FAE-warhead missile back at the launching point of every piss-ant missile their unruly neighbors fire at them?
They do shell the launch areas all the time, but its child’s play to fire a rocket off a timer. If it was as simple as using counter battery radar then simple ballistic rockets would not have been plaguing western style militaries with harassing attacks in just about every war fought since Korea.
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