Fall to the Good side?

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2008-01-23 03:39pm

wjs7744 wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:When did Anakin turn/fall to the dark side.
Did you sleep through RotS or something?

Anakin Solo?

Anakin Skywalker did obviously turn/fall to the dark side.

wjs7744 · Post by **wjs7744** » 2008-01-23 03:42pm

Gustav32Vasa wrote:Anakin Solo?

Anakin Skywalker did obviously turn/fall to the dark side.

Oh, I see. Well, I haven't read the EU. I must say though, you could have said that to start with. When someone says 'Anakin' in a Star Wars discussion, Anakin Solo is not the first one that usually springs to mind.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2008-01-23 03:45pm

wjs7744 wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:Anakin Solo?

Anakin Skywalker did obviously turn/fall to the dark side.
Oh, I see. Well, I haven't read the EU. I must say though, you could have said that to start with. When someone says 'Anakin' in a Star Wars discussion, Anakin Solo is not the first one that usually springs to mind.

I suppose I should have, however since we talked about people who hadnt fallen/turned to the dark side, do you think of Anakin Skywalker then?

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2008-01-23 03:53pm

Gustav32Vasa wrote: Anakin Solo?

Anakin Skywalker did obviously turn/fall to the dark side.

Oh right and I was talking about Luke Starkiller.

Look douche, when you say Anakin, and don't add a last name, no one is going to assume you are talking about some fuckball EU character.

wjs7744 · Post by **wjs7744** » 2008-01-23 03:56pm

Gustav32Vasa wrote:I suppose I should have, however since we talked about people who hadnt fallen/turned to the dark side, do you think of Anakin Skywalker then?

Well for all I knew, you were talking about the fact that he turned good again right at the end.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2008-01-23 04:02pm

lord Martiya

I'm not sure Anakin Solo was ever tempted by the Dark Side.

lord Martiya · Post by **lord Martiya** » 2008-01-23 04:02pm

havokeff wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote: Anakin Solo?

Anakin Skywalker did obviously turn/fall to the dark side.
Oh right and I was talking about Luke Starkiller. Look douche, when you say Anakin, and don't add a last name, no one is going to assume you are talking about some fuckball EU character.

To be fair, I thinked about the possibility, but then I discarded it exactly because 'Anakin' without surname is supposed to be the Skywalker one.

Lusankya · Post by **Lusankya** » 2008-01-23 06:59pm

How about Mara Jade? Being trained to be the Emperor's Hand is about as Dark-sidey as you can get, but she ended up turning to the Light Side and marrying Luke.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2008-01-23 07:21pm

Lusankya wrote:How about Mara Jade? Being trained to be the Emperor's Hand is about as Dark-sidey as you can get, but she ended up turning to the Light Side and marrying Luke.

No way. She didn't even have to be seduced to be a bad guy.

Terralthra · Post by **Terralthra** » 2008-01-23 07:37pm

havokeff wrote:
Terralthra wrote:
DEATH wrote: But he did fall to the dark-side, before JK2. (In the "Mysteries of the Sith" expansion)
Then Luke doesn't qualify either, as he fell in Dark Empire.
When did Luke fall to the Dark Side? Even in DE, he was constantly plotting behind Palpatine's back and doing good and IIRC he said something along the lines of; "The temptation was great and I would have been seduced if not for your help." when he was talking to Leia.

Numerous later sources state that Luke felt he turned to the dark side and turned back. The Jedi Academy trilogy, for example.

havokeff wrote:lord Martiya

I'm not sure Anakin Solo was ever tempted by the Dark Side.

Even if he were, he's another trained-from-near-birth Jedi.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2008-01-23 07:45pm

Terralthra wrote:Numerous later sources state that Luke felt he turned to the dark side and turned back. The Jedi Academy trilogy, for example.

Really? Geez, you would think if Palpatine couldn't do it, then all the second rates wouldn't have a chance. Chalk one more up to the EU.

havokeff wrote:lord Martiya

I'm not sure Anakin Solo was ever tempted by the Dark Side.
Even if he were, he's another trained-from-near-birth Jedi.

Like Jacen.

Man, maybe they should find people with stronger character to be Jedi. Like in football... You can have all the skills in the world, but if you don't have the "heart" you aren't going to cut it.

Terralthra · Post by **Terralthra** » 2008-01-23 07:51pm

havokeff wrote:
Terralthra wrote:Numerous later sources state that Luke felt he turned to the dark side and turned back. The Jedi Academy trilogy, for example.
Really? Geez, you would think if Palpatine couldn't do it, then all the second rates wouldn't have a chance. Chalk one more up to the EU.

Palpatine did do it. Palpatine was the main villain of Dark Empire and Dark Empire 2. It was after Palpatine kidnapped Luke directly from Coruscant to Byss using nothing but the Force. Palpatine then revealed himself and said "I just resurrected my Life Force using the Dark Side, then teleported you across the galaxy with the Dark Side. You better join the Dark Side, bitch, 'cuz ain't nothing you can do about it." And Luke cried and said ok.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2008-01-23 09:16pm

Terralthra wrote:
havokeff wrote:
Terralthra wrote:Numerous later sources state that Luke felt he turned to the dark side and turned back. The Jedi Academy trilogy, for example.
Really? Geez, you would think if Palpatine couldn't do it, then all the second rates wouldn't have a chance. Chalk one more up to the EU.
Palpatine did do it. Palpatine was the main villain of Dark Empire and Dark Empire 2. It was after Palpatine kidnapped Luke directly from Coruscant to Byss using nothing but the Force. Palpatine then revealed himself and said "I just resurrected my Life Force using the Dark Side, then teleported you across the galaxy with the Dark Side. You better join the Dark Side, bitch, 'cuz ain't nothing you can do about it." And Luke cried and said ok.

I see. I thought you were saying it happened in The Jedi Academy Trilogy. They just referenced his previous encounter. Gotchya.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2008-01-24 04:23am

havokeff wrote: A nice "RL" example of this is Lucifer. He is the First Fallen or leader of the Fallen Angels, but everyone knows that it wasn't an accident.

I don't want to be nitpicking, but I thought Lucifer is a fallen angel because he was thrown out of heaven after he turned against god, not because he turned against god (there we have it again, the difference between fallen and turning).

Concerning "Anakin", when I hear the name I usually tend to think of Anakin Solo, too. When I think about the movie-character I think of Darth Vader. Aside from that Anakin Solo wasn't a crap-character (can't talk about the JJK-books) in my mind and he was killed - fortunately I have to say now - before DelRey started the output of its current crap (this includes the DN-trilogy).

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2008-01-24 04:47am

FTeik wrote:
havokeff wrote: A nice "RL" example of this is Lucifer. He is the First Fallen or leader of the Fallen Angels, but everyone knows that it wasn't an accident.
I don't want to be nitpicking, but I thought Lucifer is a fallen angel because he was thrown out of heaven after he turned against god, not because he turned against god (there we have it again, the difference between fallen and turning).

That was my point... Like in RL, the terms are interchangeable in the SW universe. You say a Jedi "fell" to the Dark Side and you know that he turned and it is just the way you say it. The Morning Star turned on God and was cast out and became "Fallen". A Jedi that has "fallen" has "turned" on the light and has "fallen" to the Dark Side.

DesertFly · Post by **DesertFly** » 2008-01-24 04:31pm

"Fallen" in this case refers to having fallen from your upright, good position. Where once you were a steadfast defender of good (in Lucifer's case) or the light side (in Jedi's case), now you have fallen from your esteemed cause and are in the doghouse, so to speak. Light is seen as above dark, good above evil, so if you move from light to dark, good to evil, it naturally follows that you can be seen to have fallen.

Themightytom · Post by **Themightytom** » 2008-01-24 04:37pm

So far See Threepio hasn't been turned to the dark side even though he is frequnetly disassembled, verbally abused, kidnapped stranded or memory wiped.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2008-01-24 04:38pm

Geez, should I just change the thread title to "Turn to the Good Side?"?

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2008-01-24 04:39pm

Themightytom wrote:So far See Threepio hasn't been turned to the dark side even though he is frequnetly disassembled, verbally abused, kidnapped stranded or memory wiped.

Force. Sensitive. Dill. Hole.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2008-01-24 04:40pm

FTeik wrote:The only one coming to mind at the moment is Zayne Carrick.

This is actually a good one. I guess I missed the post. He could have easily turned to anger, but has stayed the course.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2008-02-02 04:51pm

Zayne Carrick is a fully trained Jedi.
As is shown quite clearly, he was taken into the order at an early age.

havokeff wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote: Anakin Solo?

Anakin Skywalker did obviously turn/fall to the dark side.
Oh right and I was talking about Luke Starkiller. Look douche, when you say Anakin, and don't add a last name, no one is going to assume you are talking about some fuckball EU character.

Bahahahaha I actually almost laughed to tears at that retort..

The "FUCK YOU! I am Jedi!" summation of Luke's strength of character (in contrast with Anakin's) kicks ass as well.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2008-02-02 05:57pm

Is Zane a Jedi? I thought they tried to kill him right before the initiation ceremony. Also, I though that they weren't even going to make him a Jedi? Guess, I should pay more attention to my comics.

Lord Relvenous · Post by **Lord Relvenous** » 2008-02-04 03:34am

Well i would be willing to throw this one out just becuase he's all wank, but Corran Horn by his own accoutn had complete shit happen to him since essentially the age of 15, but never turned to the dark side. Came quite close... once he started training as a Jedi. I think i see a pattern here.