I know there have been plenty of SW vs. 40K threads posted here, but my question is different from most asked. In nearly ever vs. thread it's brought up how inferior Jedi powers are to 40K psykers, so I just wanted to know. Are there any 40K combat psykers that jedi can beat?
I ask this question for standard prequel era jedi, sans the shroud of the darkside, and prequel era main characters such as Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Mace Windu.
Can Jedi beat *any* WH40k combat Psykers?
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Can Jedi beat *any* WH40k combat Psykers?
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There are; not every psyker in 40k is a battle-tank destroying, mind-shattering, ogryn-throwing-into-low-orbit monster. There's a very wide variation not just in power but in actual ability. Not every psyker is good at the same thing; as an example, you could not expect an Astropath to be able to psychic lash an Chimera into a pile of debris.
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Yep. Tons of them. The IG field highly unstable sanctioned psykers, who have wildly varying powers.
Eldar Warlocks are a conceivable match, it would come down to individual skill of both.
There's likely more, but I can't think of them all offhand.
Eldar Warlocks are a conceivable match, it would come down to individual skill of both.
There's likely more, but I can't think of them all offhand.
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I think 40k psyker powers are also a lot more temperamental than the force, most sources about psykers I've read go on about the risks of possession etc. Alpha level psykers are the most powerful and can take down battle titans, according to the rule book, but are also a massive threat in terms of demonic possession.
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NecronLord wrote:Yep. Tons of them. The IG field highly unstable sanctioned psykers, who have wildly varying powers.
Eldar Warlocks are a conceivable match, it would come down to individual skill of both.
There's likely more, but I can't think of them all offhand.
So basically it's the uber alpha and alpha-plus level main characters such as the emperor and IIRC Eisenhorn who vastly overpower their SW counterparts, and the likes of Yoda or Mace Windu could defeat the average imperial combat psyker?
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Well yes, the problem is what do you define as avergae or "Average combat psyker".Darksider wrote:NecronLord wrote:Yep. Tons of them. The IG field highly unstable sanctioned psykers, who have wildly varying powers.
Eldar Warlocks are a conceivable match, it would come down to individual skill of both.
There's likely more, but I can't think of them all offhand.
So basically it's the uber alpha and alpha-plus level main characters such as the emperor and IIRC Eisenhorn who vastly overpower their SW counterparts, and the likes of Yoda or Mace Windu could defeat the average imperial combat psyker?
Eisenhorn at the very start of his career is a mere Delta or so, and he's strongly comparable if not superior to most Jedi masters. (His later career when he's slicing Hellhounds apart is another matter , or with Barbarisiter when he's fighting faster than even the highest end of Jedi speed, Grevious vs Obi-Wan ).
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While Psykers can vary between the extraordiarily specialized (like Sarpetard and his HELL) most 40K psykers tend to be rather more consistent ability wise compared to Jedi (where you can have Jedi Council members who suck ass in the Force.) Power level isn't an issue, since both Jedi and psykers can vary dramatically in power.
The real kicker is that 40K psykers tend to have common abilities that jedi commonly lack and vice versa. Its' not unusual, for example, for 40K Psykers (as far as I've noticed) to have energy-based attacks (such as hurling lightning.) - while energy attacks (or energy absorbing defenses) aren't neccesairly common. Any sort of real TK doesn't seem to "standard" to 40K psykers, whereas Jedi seem to find it relatively commonplace (in addition to short term precog). This isn't to say 40K doesn't have any TKers, because they do (And some can be very powerful) - it just doesn't seem to be as common as the telepathy or lightning chucking. And when it is, it doesn't seem to be quite up to par with what Jedi can do (I'm kinda thinking of Patience Kys here, as I recall she was considered rather powerful TK wise.)
The real kicker is that 40K psykers tend to have common abilities that jedi commonly lack and vice versa. Its' not unusual, for example, for 40K Psykers (as far as I've noticed) to have energy-based attacks (such as hurling lightning.) - while energy attacks (or energy absorbing defenses) aren't neccesairly common. Any sort of real TK doesn't seem to "standard" to 40K psykers, whereas Jedi seem to find it relatively commonplace (in addition to short term precog). This isn't to say 40K doesn't have any TKers, because they do (And some can be very powerful) - it just doesn't seem to be as common as the telepathy or lightning chucking. And when it is, it doesn't seem to be quite up to par with what Jedi can do (I'm kinda thinking of Patience Kys here, as I recall she was considered rather powerful TK wise.)
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Directed energy attacks and telepathic attacks seems to be more the ways of the Sith then Jedi (force lightning and the so called Sith sorcery (actually a rather complex telepathic attack)), where as Jedi seem to focus on energy absorbtion and TK attacks (though there seem to some rather nasty Light side abilities (like the so called force stasis(which can in addition rendering the person unable funtion it can also deflect force attacks back to their user (Darth Bane got fried by his own force lightning when caught in force stasis in the "Rule of two" novel)
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