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I'll admit now that I'm 25 years old and I still watch, and am entertained by, cartoons. And not just more serious-minded cartoons like modern TMNT animated series, the Timmverse shows, etc. Toon Disney is a channel I watch often (or rather which my DVR frequently records from), as it shows not just the Timmverse Batman and Superman animated series, it also airs Jackie Chan Adventures and two of my childhood favorites, Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers and Tale Spin (I don't know if they air Ducktales, would love it if they did).

Usually I'll watch the episodes when I'm eating, or when I'm not up to anything else. And so I've decided to make this thread, open for comments and similar reviews from the usual suspects like JME2 and Majin and Shroom Man (and everyone else who frequented the JL/JLU talkback threads and that ginormous thirty plus page thread on JLU). :)

So my first item? A classic episode of the Batman Animated Series.

"Beware the Gray Ghost".


The episode was well-written and well-presented. The Gray Ghost's theme music had an authentic feel to it, kudos there to Carl Johnson and Shirley Walker, and the way the episode blended the Gray Ghost "episode" and the actual show was a great piece of creativity. Just the scene where Bruce sits down and watches the episode as an adult - bowl of popcorn in hand - with the zoom in on his eye and the transition to Bruce as a child watching the show on the floor dressed up in cape and hat, is itself memorable, indicating the way it brought back Bruce's childhood before it ended prematurely in Crime Alley.

Casting Adam West as Simon Trent was another good mark, not to mention the peeks into Trent's plight (based apparently on the real life fate of Al Hodges, the popular Captain Video of the 1950s), and the story of how Trent's plight has dragged him under, only for Batman's invitation of help to rekindle the spirit of a downtrodden man, was the centerpiece of the episode.

Finally, a kudo to Bruce Timm himself. I liked his voice work as the Mad Bomber. It was kind of a Toyman-lite gig, but he did it pretty well and convincingly. Especially the whining part over "My TOYS!!!" 8)

All in all, a classic episode with no real downside in my view. Sadly I don't recall it being heavily referred to in future Timmverse canon, save the use of a Gray Ghost movie in the JLU episode "Epilogue".

I give it a 4.1/5 (what were you expecting from me, a round number? :P ) overall.
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MAD BOMBER!

I rather liked that ep, and I found the concept of using RC cars for blowing shit up awesome. Didn't Batman got chased by those things?
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:MAD BOMBER!

I rather liked that ep, and I found the concept of using RC cars for blowing shit up awesome. Didn't Batman got chased by those things?
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Steve wrote:All in all, a classic episode with no real downside in my view. Sadly I don't recall it being heavily referred to in future Timmverse canon, save the use of a Gray Ghost movie in the JLU episode "Epilogue".
The hat and goggles that the Gray Ghost wear appear in an episode of Batman Beyond.
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neoolong wrote:
Steve wrote:All in all, a classic episode with no real downside in my view. Sadly I don't recall it being heavily referred to in future Timmverse canon, save the use of a Gray Ghost movie in the JLU episode "Epilogue".
The hat and goggles that the Gray Ghost wear appear in an episode of Batman Beyond.
With Bruce wearing them, of course :wink: .

Personally this is one of my favourite "Sad" episodes, the scene where he's tearing down the posters is damn sad, as is the emotional payload of the final scene. (remind me, isn't that supposed to be what he was watching before they left for the Cinema?)
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Steve wrote:I give it a 4.1/5 (what were you expecting from me, a round number? :P ) overall.
Nice Joker reference.

Yeah, this was one of BTAS' best episodes. I've also always been curious as to whose idea it was to have Timm voice the Mad Bomber; Timm's Modern Masters entry doesn't address it. It could have been Dini and the other writers; the commentary for "Rebirth" indicates that the writers suggested Timm voice the J-Man (Jokerz leader) after Timm was unhappy with the actor. While he wanted it to a one-time apperance, Dini and crew kept writing him in... 8)
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JME2 wrote:
Steve wrote:I give it a 4.1/5 (what were you expecting from me, a round number? :P ) overall.
Nice Joker reference.
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Yeah, this was one of BTAS' best episodes. I've also always been curious as to whose idea it was to have Timm voice the Mad Bomber; Timm's Modern Masters entry doesn't address it. It could have been Dini and the other writers; the commentary for "Rebirth" indicates that the writers suggested Timm voice the J-Man (Jokerz leader) after Timm was unhappy with the actor. While he wanted it to a one-time apperance, Dini and crew kept writing him in... 8)
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The DCU was pretty good, I listen to a bi-weekly podcast (World's Finest Podcast) that is going through the entire DCU (5 episodes at a time) so I have been watching them again recently and they do hold up well, they just finished BTAS which I personally rate higher than STAS which is what they are moving onto next.

New Frontier is going to be good (which I say without having watched the leaked screener of course) although a lot is going to be cut out from the comic.
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Because it is my favorite Batman: TAS episode, I expect, nay, DEMAND, a review of "Joker's Favor" forthwith!
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I think it's on my DVR..... Will check.
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TheDarkling wrote:The DCU was pretty good, I listen to a bi-weekly podcast (World's Finest Podcast) that is going through the entire DCU (5 episodes at a time) so I have been watching them again recently and they do hold up well, they just finished BTAS which I personally rate higher than STAS which is what they are moving onto next.

New Frontier is going to be good (which I say without having watched the leaked screener of course) although a lot is going to be cut out from the comic.
Downloading WFP now...thanks for mentioning it. I'm looking forward to listening. ^_^
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:MAD BOMBER!

I rather liked that ep, and I found the concept of using RC cars for blowing shit up awesome. Didn't Batman got chased by those things?
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Molyneux wrote:
TheDarkling wrote:The DCU was pretty good, I listen to a bi-weekly podcast (World's Finest Podcast) that is going through the entire DCU (5 episodes at a time) so I have been watching them again recently and they do hold up well, they just finished BTAS which I personally rate higher than STAS which is what they are moving onto next.

New Frontier is going to be good (which I say without having watched the leaked screener of course) although a lot is going to be cut out from the comic.
Downloading WFP now...thanks for mentioning it. I'm looking forward to listening. ^_^
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Considering Goomba's request, I've decided on a two-for-one today with the common theme of the Joker picking on poor members of the general public.

First off is, of course, Joker's Favor.

The beginning of the episode sets the entire mood of the episode and sets up the satisfying finish. Charles Collins, a middle-class family man, is driving home on the freeway. A ballgame's radio broadcast has been interrupted with notification of the Joker's escape. His boss turned down his raise. His kid needs braces. Worst of all.... his wife is making meat loaf for dinner. He is having a Bad Day.

To top things off, he has to move in his lanes due to oncoming police cars. Then he has to do it again for the Batmobile. Finally, an average looking vehicle cuts him off. Charlie gives in to road rage. He pulls alongside, his window goes down, and he begins ranting. "For 2 cents I'd..." And then he realizes who he's talking to, whom the viewer has already likely noticed.

The Joker.

Meekly Charlie puts his window up. "I just cussed out the Joker." And then becomes his frightened attempt to escape the dogged pursuit of the Joker. He flees into a wooded area, and starts running on foot. Just when he thinks he's safe.... two pennies land at his feet. The Joker is behind him. Terrified for his life, Charlie makes the Faustian deal; his life for a favor.

Then comes the next scene, with the header of "Two Years Later", and the meat of the plot begins. It's the usual evil plot by the Joker; crash a party being held for Gordon, pin a bomb on him while everyone is affected by paralysis gas, and leave. For fun he decides to call in Charlie, whom we are soon shown living in suburbia, clearly not Gotham (Gotham rarely has the sunny and bright-looking appearance we're shown), and we learn Charlie has changed his name and moved to Ohio (Ohio, man! He really WAS desperate!). Unfortunately the Joker has still found him, and his family's safety is threatened. Charlie returns to Gotham to give his favor, the seemingly innocent role of opening a door. Save, of course, that in his usual brutal humor the Joker has arranged for his hand to be glued to the door and clearly planning on Charlie to die in the bomb blast.

Of course, this is where Charlie has managed to succeed, by cleverly losing an object in the "Hall of Invention" to simulate a bat symbol hovering in the window, calling the attention of Alfred as he drives Bruce away. Batman arrives in the nick of time, gets rid of the bomb, and frees Charlie from the door. Next comes the usual action sequence of Batman against Harley and the Joker's thugs while the Joker escapes. And thus we come to the final scene, with Charlie getting to turn the tables on the Joker, in the end getting the last laugh and even eliciting a chuckle from the dour Batman (Joker, like any other prankster, isn't as easily amused when he's the butt of the joke). Charlie ends up feeling so good that even that horrible abomination known as meat loaf sounds appetizing to him.


All in all, this episode is one of the classics of the Batman Animated Series. It had a fun twist to the old style Joker caper. Mark Hammil is excellent as the Joker, naturally, and as this was the first aired appearance of the Clown Prince of Crime in the Timmverse it was an excellent first start into establishing the sinister and menacing tone - so cleverly tinged with insane jollity - that has characterized the character and Mark Hammil's acting of him. Arleen Sorkin likewise introduces Harley Quinn to us all and sets the tone for future performances, while Ed Begly Jr., who voices the Joker's innocent victim Charlie Collins, also deserves credit for his excellent performance. And someone like me can't end the review without mentioning the musicians, who gave us the first "look" - so to speak - at their whimsical, circus-style musical theme for the Joker.

Like I said, this one was a golden classic of the series, helping it get off to a strong start that would be a harbinger of things to come for over thirteen years.

And so I give it a 5/5.




And now on to the second episode, "The Laughing Fish".

This episode started out uniquely, in that it had no title card like most Batman episodes but simply showing a pub sign of a smiling fish. We pan over to a fishing vessel which reviews its catch.... and the fishermen recoil in horror at realizing that every fish looks like the Joker. And so the plot begins, and while Batman dissects a Jokerized fish, the Joker himself pops into the patent office to terrorize an innocuous-looking bureaucrat named G. Carl Francis (and for a fun touch, when Joker begins to speak to him, the man's completely innocuous nature is reinforced when the Joker goes "Mr...." and holds the sentence as he glances at the name plate on the desk before finishing "Francis", reinforcing the anonymity and obscurity of Mr. Francis). He even slaps the poor man with a fish as he goes on about how he wants to earn royalties on sales of fish off Gotham's waters now that they look like him, prompting Harley Quinn to spray Francis with perfume to eliminate the fish smell (or does she...?). The ordeal of Mr. Francis is finally summed up when the hapless man, later that night, asks Batman why the Joker's after him. "I'm just a paper pusher, I can't change the laws," he pleads, and the Dark Knight's reply is coldly accurate: "In his sick mind, Mr. Francis, that's the joke." Only too late does Francis tell Batman about Harley spraying stuff on him, and Batman's shout of "Get this man to a hospital!" comes too late to do anything but make Gordon and Bullock look on in bewildered amazement before a swordfish projectile crashes into the room, nearly impales Francis, and then emits a gas that sends Francis into the Joker's patented toxic laughing fits.

Of course, the Joker's bureaucrat-terrorizing spree isn't over yet, and another is targeted, this time by a drugged cat, and we're led to believe for a brief moment that Batman himself has fallen victim until we realize that Batman and the man changed places. Here Bullock, never a fan of the "glory-hoggin' long-underweared geek", loses his patience and stomps out, determined to find the Joker on his own, and we soon realize he has, following the same clue that Batman points out to Gordon after the detective's departure; the fish that had been carried in by the drugged cat is exotic. Next stop, the aquarium, where Bullock gets himself caught (reinforcing that the donut-chowing portly detective is out of his league) and Batman arrives to the rescue to keep Bullock from becoming shark bait and nearly becoming bait himself. The episode ends in yet another "Is he actually dead?" ending for the Joker, as he falls into the harbor where the aforementioned shark has just been released, and to reinforce this potential outcome the episode ends as a joker card is drifting on the surface oif the water when the shark erupts from the sea and devours it.


Though not at the same level of classic as "Joker's Favor", it is still a highly entertaining episode that hasn't lost its charm over the years. It even includes one of the more amusing Harley/Joker exchanges in the series (copped from IMDB by me due to laziness):


Harley Quinn: Eyugh! Again with the fish, I *hate* fish!
[off Joker's glare]
Harley Quinn: Uh, no offense, Mr. J.
The Joker: Poor Harley. This entire caper's been really rough on you, hasn't it?
Harley Quinn: Uh-huh.
The Joker: Cheer up! You can be my very own little mermaid.
[Harley squeals with joy, then Joker pulls a giant rubber fish head over her, and laughs]
Harley Quinn: You're really sick, you know that, boss?
The Joker: Mmm-hmmm.


Therefore, I give it a 4.3/5. Since the Joker and round-numbers don't always go together. ;) Maybe I should change Joker's Favor to 4.999999/5 or something... 8)

Both of these episodes are among the best episodes of the entire series, and typically Joker episodes can always be counted on to be among the better outings given Mark Hammil's talents. The menace, cruel insanity, and sadism of the Joker comes out strong in both, important for keeping the character fresh and entertaining (the Joker must always have that delicate balance of being funny and being menacing to work).
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"Just look at the size of that cake, man!"

Classic line from a classic episode. Great review Steve, my thanks.
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I'll step up to, heh, bat, with a recent viewing. Actually, it's also somewhat of a response to the Joker's insanity, for reasons I'll get into. So, here we go:

Mad as a Hatter
This episode definitely ranks on my top 10 list for BTAS/TNBA. Primarily, it's because I love the Mad Hatter as a villain. In many ways, he's even more insane than the Joker. The Joker's insanity is primarily an avatar for chaos, just as Two-Face's insanity is an avatar for duality. But the Hatter's insanity, his modus operandi and raison d'etre, is all based on a character (who, granted, wasn't exactly there in the head to begin with) from a 19th century child's storybook. Now that's insane.

And yet, despite the fact that he's been counted among the Rogues Gallery since 1948, the Hatter's never really been explored or fleshed out in depth. Yes, the Hatter's taken a darker turn and gained some greater prominence in recent years, especially in Gotham Central and Secret Six, but he's still a second-rate villain. What I always liked about this episode (and more-so in Perchance to Dream) is that it gave the Hatter the capacity to be a truly dangerous foe to Batman (and is what made me a fan of the character in the first place).

In regards to Dini's story, the set-up is one we all relate to: A pretty co-worker or woman whom we secretly harbor feelings for and an inability to act upon those feelings. The difference of course is that not all of us have access to mind-control circuitry or a top hat (well, actually, I do have the latter 8)). The vocals especially add to Dini's script and the characterizations and I'm not just talking about Kevin Conroy's Batman. Roddy McDowell is perfectly cast as Jervis Tetch. He was yet another stand-out example of Voice Director Andrea Romano's genius. I always loved the following lines:


Hatter: You're mighty in Gotham Batman, but in Wonderland, the Mad Hatter reigns supreme!


...and of course, the classic exchange between the Hatter and the Dark Knight:


Hatter: I'll cut that cowl from your neck before you take her! I've waited my whole lovely life for her!
Batman: Then all you've waited for is a puppet. A soulless little doll.
Hatter: It didn't have to be this way!
You made me do this to her!


Shirley Walker's score is also another highlight. I love her Mad Hatter theme; it's probably my favorite of the BTAS villains themes. Really, the only weak point of this episode for me is the animation; I've always disliked Akom's work on BTAS. It could have been better in certain parts. Still, as I said that doesn't stop me from counting it among my favorite BTAS/TNBA episodes.

4.5./5

(Sorry, but you can always expect round numbers from me... :wink: )
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I still say the best episode was the Rogue's Gallery of Gotham, sitting down and playing poker while telling stories of how they "Almost Got Him".
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LadyTevar wrote:I still say the best episode was the Rogue's Gallery of Gotham, sitting down and playing poker while telling stories of how they "Almost Got Him".
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Steve wrote:Then comes the next scene, with the header of "Two Years Later", and the meat of the plot begins. It's the usual evil plot by the Joker; crash a party being held for Gordon, pin a bomb on him while everyone is affected by paralysis gas, and leave. For fun he decides to call in Charlie, whom we are soon shown living in suburbia, clearly not Gotham (Gotham rarely has the sunny and bright-looking appearance we're shown), and we learn Charlie has changed his name and moved to Ohio (Ohio, man! He really WAS desperate!). Unfortunately the Joker has still found him, and his family's safety is threatened.
One of the great lines of dialogue which shows the psychopathy of the Joker so well in the episode is his remark of how he made Charlie his "hobby".
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Today I watched two of the good episodes on Volume 4: Holiday Knights and Joker's Million's.


Holiday Knights changed the usual format, with three short act-sized plots instead of a general 24 minute episode. First off was Harley and Ivy using Ivy's lipstick on Bruce to go on a Holiday shopping spree, then Barbara stumbling on Clayface's shoplifting spree, and finally, the Joker planning a New Year's Massacre that Batman stops, culminating with a nice touch; Batman and Jim Gordon sharing a coffee toast at a small diner to celebrate surviving another year.

Each sequence was the right mix of humor and action, complete with Joker getting a bell dropped on him to Harley's desire for a Christmas Tree being fulfilled in a bad way. And really, the middle segment can be summed up with the following three words: Bullock as Santa.

Well, that or by these words: Renee Montoya. Leg-o-riffic elf helper costume. 8) :wink:


An immensely enjoyable episode. 4.1/5. (Yes! No Joker episode shall have a round number!)



And now on to Joker's Millions, in which Joker gets to be the butt of the joke. Strapped for cash, Joker suddenly hits it big when he's bequeathed the fortune of mob boss Ed "King" Barlowe, a strange development given Barlowe was an enemy. But not one to look a gift horse in the mouth, Joker goes on a spending spree, buys his freedom, is saved from Barlowe's enraged bodyguards by Dick and Babs, and decides it's cheaper to hire a new Harley than get the old one out (and naturally Harley, upon finding this out, escapes to go hurt/kill him). And just as he hires a replacement Harley.... he gets a visit from the IRS, who want half of what he got. He frantically begins gathering the cash, informing his henchman, "I'm crazy enough to take on Batman, but the IRS?! Nooooooo thank you!", when he finds out the real reason Barlowe gave him the goods, and this triggers a desperation heist to get the cash he needs to pay off the IRS.


An utterly hilarious episode, one of the classic Joker outings (of which there are at least two on this set, "Mad Love" being the other), and with Joker getting a fit treatment at the end at the hands of his jilted girl Harley.

I give it a 4.999999999999/5. ;)
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LadyTevar wrote:I still say the best episode was the Rogue's Gallery of Gotham, sitting down and playing poker while telling stories of how they "Almost Got Him".
Oh, that was another golden classic of the series.

Croc: "Well, y'know what I think...."
Joker: "Not the robot theory again...."
Croc: "Well he could be..."


And then Ivy shows up.

Harv: "Half of me wants ta strangle you."
Ivy: "And what does the other half want?"
Harv: "To hit you with a truck!"
Ivy: *to the other rogues* "We used to date."
*Penguin and Joker nod understandingly* "Ahh."



It also gets a 5/5 from me. 8)
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Bah, I forgot the last line too. "Almost got 'im", spoken by Selena, for an entirely different context. 8)
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Just reading those reviews brings back so many wonderful memories...
Does anyone know if there have been box sets, or anything like that, of these series released?
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Molyneux wrote:Just reading those reviews brings back so many wonderful memories...
Does anyone know if there have been box sets, or anything like that, of these series released?

All of the DCAU series (save for Static Shock) and The Zeta Project if you count them) have been out on DVD for a while now. For Batman, there are four DVD sets. Volumes 1 -3 contain all 85 episodes of BTAS. Volume 4 contians the final 24 episodes, AKA TNBA or the Revamped episodes.
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JME2 wrote:
Molyneux wrote:Just reading those reviews brings back so many wonderful memories...
Does anyone know if there have been box sets, or anything like that, of these series released?

All of the DCAU series (save for Static Shock) and The Zeta Project if you count them) have been out on DVD for a while now. For Batman, there are four DVD sets. Volumes 1 -3 contain all 85 episodes of BTAS. Volume 4 contians the final 24 episodes, AKA TNBA or the Revamped episodes.
Maybe in America. I've been able to find Jack Shit in the way of Region 2 stuff. Specifically Batman of the Future stuff. The closest I can get are Region 1 imports.
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