Anonymous vs Scientology!

Gullible Jones · Post by **Gullible Jones** » 2008-01-31 10:20pm

CloudStrife433 wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
CloudStrife433 wrote:3)They can't do shit.
That's where you're wrong. There's plenty they can do, will do, and have in the past done. If you don't know the risks, you shouldn't be anywhere near this shit.
Know this, I am a vindictive bastard.
If they fuck with me, they will incur the full wrath I garner.
I have sacrificed shit just to get back at someone.
And I really don't think that legally there is anything they could do anyway. Video cameras exist at the raids for these reasons.

You're one person, and not even an adult. They're at least a million, and their only rule of conduct is "don't get the Church in trouble". Vindictiveness won't help you against odds like that.

Losonti Tokash · Post by **Losonti Tokash** » 2008-01-31 11:02pm

Honestly, their numbers are probably more like 100,000 at the most. They greatly overestimate their numbers to make it seem more legitimate.

As for what they'll do to you if you are identified, they've got a lot of crap in their repertoire. They like to picket your house, tell your neighbors that you are a pedophile, that your family is abusive, that you worship the fucking devil. And that's if they can't actually find any real information on stuff you've done. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, because people will believe anything if it gets repeated enough.

If you ever have a job interview with a Scientologist, you will be turned down. If you apply for a loan with a Scientologist, you be rejected. If you apply for a permit and the person deciding is a Scientologist, you will be rejected. This is the main reason to stay the fuck out of Clearwater, Florida. They own the police department and much of the city government. You will not be treated fairly under the law in that city.

There's also the lawsuits that they will harass you with for years, which will likely bankrupt your family. They don't have to win the case, all they are trying to do is waste your money and time. You and your family will also start receiving death threats constantly.

So, you think you can handle all that? Can you, as a 15 year old shitbag, gather the resources to combat that for years and years? I kinda doubt it.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2008-01-31 11:28pm

Actually, they'll bring up things in your background and make them public. If they tell people you're a pedophile and it's not true, you'll have them for slander... And you'll practically own that church when you're through with them.

Losonti Tokash · Post by **Losonti Tokash** » 2008-01-31 11:33pm

Superman wrote:Actually, they'll bring up things in your background and make them public. If they tell people you're a pedophile and it's not true, you'll have them for slander... And you'll practically own that church when you're through with them.

Oh they'll do that certainly. But if they can't get any dirt, they'll just make shit up. And if they're desperate enough, they'll frame you for terrorism.

Post by **Simplicius** » 2008-01-31 11:40pm

I don't know shit about protesting or picketing or anything, but I plan to be in the vicinity of the D.C. event to see how it all goes down. I'll bring my camera, but don't know if I'll have much chance to use it.

I'm actually pretty impressed with the planned real-life protests; when I first heard about this (a couple of days ago, lol I'm behind the times) I figured the IRL stuff would just be some lame street-trolling. But they've got their permits in order and consulted with the authorities and everything. I guess the only way this will be a total bust is if nobody bothers to show up.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-02-01 12:29am

They've got a board, and over a thousand members now.

Enturbulation.org. I'm very impressed. Their overriding concern is that nobody break any laws or advocate any sort of violence or wrongdoing. Their protests forum is awesome, though. Five guys from BUENOS AIRES found each-other through that board and decided to stage a February 10th protest.

Its a new age, my friends.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2008-02-01 01:38am

Apparently this topic made it to the print edition of The Economist[/url].

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2008-02-01 01:58am

Also holy shit I'd never heard about this before:

Wikipedia

In Scientology, R2-45 is an auditing process created by L. Ron Hubbard.

The process of R2-45 specifically pertains to shooting the target with a Colt .45 pistol, causing the victim's "thetan" (soul or spirit) to leave the body (exteriorization).

While there's a dark hilarity to referring to shooting someone as an "auditing process", it's also kind of extra-spooky realizing that Hubbard basically posted a "shoot on sight" order to his flunkies.

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2008-02-01 02:07am

Actually, they'll bring up things in your background and make them public. If they tell people you're a pedophile and it's not true, you'll have them for slander... And you'll practically own that church when you're through with them

What's interesting is that they do libel people, but they tend to do it in a sneaky way through implication. I saw some videos on Youtube wherein the Scientology members set up pickets and protests with signs that imply someone is a registered sex offender, and they will drop little verbal inuendos, but not come out and say anything.

Some of the other videos you can find on there, though, they actually have claimed people are sex offenders. I wonder if the Church disassociates with those people, though. It's such a common thing.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2008-02-01 02:58am

Uraniun235 wrote:Also holy shit I'd never heard about this before:

Wikipedia

In Scientology, R2-45 is an auditing process created by L. Ron Hubbard.

The process of R2-45 specifically pertains to shooting the target with a Colt .45 pistol, causing the victim's "thetan" (soul or spirit) to leave the body (exteriorization).
While there's a dark hilarity to referring to shooting someone as an "auditing process", it's also kind of extra-spooky realizing that Hubbard basically posted a "shoot on sight" order to his flunkies.

Oh yes, Scientology is that fucked up.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-02-01 04:06pm

Okay, there's a lot of scientology pranking on YouTube, but this is the best so far: Link

Some guys in the Netherlands sent hookers and pizzas (you can order both online in the Netherlands) to their local Co$, then camped outside and took pictures.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-02-01 04:40pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote:Also holy shit I'd never heard about this before:

Wikipedia

In Scientology, R2-45 is an auditing process created by L. Ron Hubbard.

The process of R2-45 specifically pertains to shooting the target with a Colt .45 pistol, causing the victim's "thetan" (soul or spirit) to leave the body (exteriorization).
While there's a dark hilarity to referring to shooting someone as an "auditing process", it's also kind of extra-spooky realizing that Hubbard basically posted a "shoot on sight" order to his flunkies.
Oh yes, Scientology is that fucked up.

Not any more than other major religions. The only difference with scientology is the fact that you can show open contempt and mockery for them without being labeled a douchebag by the Mindless Middle.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-02-01 04:41pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote:Also holy shit I'd never heard about this before:

Wikipedia
While there's a dark hilarity to referring to shooting someone as an "auditing process", it's also kind of extra-spooky realizing that Hubbard basically posted a "shoot on sight" order to his flunkies.
Oh yes, Scientology is that fucked up.
Not any more than other major religions.

Christians don't shoot you to take away your sins. Not usually.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-02-01 04:43pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Christians don't shoot you to take away your sins. Not usually.

I take it you flunked history, then?

CloudStrife433 · Post by **CloudStrife433** » 2008-02-01 04:45pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: Oh yes, Scientology is that fucked up.
Not any more than other major religions.
Christians don't shoot you to take away your sins. Not usually.

Mr. Chewbacca, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-02-01 04:46pm

CloudStrife433 wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Darth Wong wrote: Not any more than other major religions.
Christians don't shoot you to take away your sins. Not usually.
Mr. Chewbacca, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Okay, that one got me. You might be worth keeping after all.

Sadly, I don't have a vote, and you're a tool.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-02-01 04:47pm

Darth Wong wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Christians don't shoot you to take away your sins. Not usually.
I take it you flunked history, then?

Killing sinners was often done, but it wasn't done to save their souls at musketpoint. Christians killed sinners because "God demanded it."

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-02-01 04:49pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Christians don't shoot you to take away your sins. Not usually.
I take it you flunked history, then?
Killing sinners was often done, but it wasn't done to save their souls at musketpoint. Christians killed sinners because "God demanded it."

And that is somehow less "fucked up"?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2008-02-01 04:50pm

Darth Wong wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Christians don't shoot you to take away your sins. Not usually.
I take it you flunked history, then?

Oh, come on Mike. None of this is about the beliefs, kooky or otherwise; it's about Scientology's practices of extortion, defamation, litigiousness, brainwashing, and outright murder. To my knowledge, no current Christian faction has such a laundry list of crimes to its name, hence why Scientology is being targeted by Anonymous as opposed to, say, the Vatican.

CloudStrife433 wrote:Mr. Chewbacca, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Oh, get the fuck out.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2008-02-01 04:51pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Christians don't shoot you to take away your sins. Not usually.
I take it you flunked history, then?
Killing sinners was often done, but it wasn't done to save their souls at musketpoint. Christians killed sinners because "God demanded it."

This is technically correct. The analogous activity in Christianity would be exorcism. Which does not, to my knowledge, involve guns. Horrific pain, death, and screaming for mercy, yes. Guns, no.

Kodiak · Post by **Kodiak** » 2008-02-01 04:54pm

Darth Wong wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Christians don't shoot you to take away your sins. Not usually.
I take it you flunked history, then?

touche'

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-02-01 04:54pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Christians don't shoot you to take away your sins. Not usually.
I take it you flunked history, then?
Oh, come on Mike. None of this is about the beliefs, kooky or otherwise; it's about Scientology's practices of extortion, defamation, litigiousness, brainwashing, and outright murder. To my knowledge, no current Christian faction has such a laundry list of crimes to its name, hence why Scientology is being targeted by Anonymous as opposed to, say, the Vatican.

Exactly. Christians havn't sold indulgences since the middle ages, while Scientology gives people a price sheet for the 'fixed donation amounts' that various thetan levels cost. Even the Amish just shun you when you leave, but they don't picket outside your house and tell your neighbors you're a rapist pedophile.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-02-01 04:58pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Christians don't shoot you to take away your sins. Not usually.
I take it you flunked history, then?
Oh, come on Mike. None of this is about the beliefs, kooky or otherwise; it's about Scientology's practices of extortion, defamation, litigiousness, brainwashing, and outright murder.

And Christianity has never been involved with any such things?

To my knowledge, no current Christian faction has such a laundry list of crimes to its name

Wrong. All of them do. Not recently in western countries, but all of them have shit like that to their names. If you're going to say that a religion is fucked up, you can't throw up all kinds of arbitrary disclaimers to protect other religions from comparison.

hence why Scientology is being targeted by Anonymous as opposed to, say, the Vatican.

Bullshit. Every excuse that Christians throw up for the double-standard is nothing more than handwaving bullfuckery. Especially American Christians, who live in a country where millions of people have second-hand citizen status because the Bible says so.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2008-02-01 05:08pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Oh, come on Mike. None of this is about the beliefs, kooky or otherwise; it's about Scientology's practices of extortion, defamation, litigiousness, brainwashing, and outright murder.
And Christianity has never been involved with any such things?

Perhaps. Now to the important question: Are the currently living individuals responsible for the crimes committed centuries ago by people long dead?

Darth Wong wrote:
To my knowledge, no current Christian faction has such a laundry list of crimes to its name
Wrong. All of them do. Not recently in western countries, but all of them have shit like that to their names. If you're going to say that a religion is fucked up, you can't throw up all kinds of arbitrary disclaimers to protect other religions from comparison.

"The people who did it are dead and gone" is not arbitrary. The leadership of the Church of Scientology is currently engaged in these activities; it's a little late to stop the Inquisition.

Darth Wong wrote:
hence why Scientology is being targeted by Anonymous as opposed to, say, the Vatican.
Bullshit. Every excuse that Christians throw up for the double-standard is nothing more than handwaving bullfuckery.

Oh look. A sweeping generalization. Charging present-day Christians with crimes committed by totally different people centuries in the past is the handwaving bullfuckery; individuals are not and cannot be responsible for the actions of those who came before. You would do just as well to accuse me of being a slaveholder because my great great grandfather was one.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-02-01 05:12pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Perhaps. Now to the important question: Are the currently living individuals responsible for the crimes committed centuries ago by people long dead?

Partially, as long as they tell everyone that this fucking book full of hatred and exhortations to destruction of the heretics is "inerrant truth". Do you really think the Christians of the past just made that shit up? They got it out of the Bible; the same one that millions of Christians keep telling us to obey, take literally, and follow to the letter.

"The people who did it are dead and gone" is not arbitrary. The leadership of the Church of Scientology is currently engaged in these activities; it's a little late to stop the Inquisition.

And Christian militias in Lebanon were slaughtering Muslim women and children in my own lifetime. Oops, I forgot: you will come up with a disclaimer for that too.

Oh look. A sweeping generalization. Charging present-day Christians with crimes committed by totally different people centuries in the past is the handwaving bullfuckery; individuals are not and cannot be responsible for the actions of those who came before. You would do just as well to accuse me of being a slaveholder because my great great grandfather was one.

You live a country where millions of gays are treated as second-class citizens because the Bible says so, you goddamned monkey turd. Don't tell me I have to go searching far and wide to find examples of people who are being harmed by Christianity. That fucking religion does far more damage than Scientology could ever hope to in its wildest dreams.