Iron Man Superbowl Trailer

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2008-02-04 07:57pm

Ford Prefect wrote:
Though because I'm interested, who would you prefer to see in the role, Pubilus?

If I had to pick a current actor for the role, without limits; I'd have Robert DeNiro play him. Old tough white guy.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2008-02-04 08:45pm

Knife wrote:
Ford Prefect wrote:
Though because I'm interested, who would you prefer to see in the role, Pubilus?
If I had to pick a current actor for the role, without limits; I'd have Robert DeNiro play him. Old tough white guy.

...except that the films tend to draw more from the Ultimate universe than the original comics, I've noticed.
Given that it's probably that which is letting us see Iron Man not as an evil bastard, I'm fairly happy with that.

For the original version of Nick Fury, though, DeNiro wouldn't be a bad choice at all.

The Cooler King · Post by **The Cooler King** » 2008-02-05 01:17am

Knife wrote: If I had to pick a current actor for the role, without limits; I'd have Robert DeNiro play him. Old tough white guy.

I've always liked the idea of casting Fred Ward, but DeNiro's not bad, either.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2008-02-05 11:01am

Molyneux wrote:
...except that the films tend to draw more from the Ultimate universe than the original comics, I've noticed.
Given that it's probably that which is letting us see Iron Man not as an evil bastard, I'm fairly happy with that.

For the original version of Nick Fury, though, DeNiro wouldn't be a bad choice at all.

Having not read comics in ages and yet still a fan of various franchises, I have no problem with the movies taking a more nostalgic path in casting.

All the newer 'ultimates' and 'beyonds' etc... I'm sure are fine. But you have to remember a lot of these series are decades old with rich histories in them. So what if Fury has been a SLJ clone for the last few years. For over twenty years he's been a gruff olf Gunny Sgt type character.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2008-02-05 11:02am

The Cooler King wrote:
Knife wrote: If I had to pick a current actor for the role, without limits; I'd have Robert DeNiro play him. Old tough white guy.

I've always liked the idea of casting Fred Ward, but DeNiro's not bad, either.

Oh yeah, had to google him but the guy from Tremmors. Yeah, that's not a bad choice either. Hell, even a Sam Eliot, would make a good wink and nod Furry.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-02-05 11:19am

Some cool clips in that trailer, but if this movie hews to form for recent Marvel comic movies, the fight scenes will look goofy because they will depict Iron Man as if he has virtually no mass. In the SpiderMan movies, people are like rag dolls; you can throw them against a brick wall or let them fall 100 feet and then suddenly snag them with a line, and they will miraculously get up and crawl away. Spiderman himself bounces around as if he weighs about 2 pounds. No one seems to have any inertia. That will look even goofier with a guy in a big metal suit.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2008-02-05 11:37am

Darksider wrote:I hope iron man will be a genuine hero in the movie instead of the fascist dick he's become in the comics.

Also, why did he use a rocket on that tank? Does he have his repulsor beams in the movie?

He's got to have repulsor beams. Back at E3 I got to watch someone play the Iron Man game a little while and they showed off the repulsors, and as I recall they were working closely with the film team.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2008-02-05 01:06pm

Having repulsor beams and having repulsor beams capable of wrecking a tank are two different things.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-02-05 01:23pm

He's flying with them and there's a clip of them in another trailer where he tests the hand based one and flies back like he fired a bloody 105 mm from the shoulder.

I'm hoping that, given the original suit he builds is a hulking thing, the physics engine used is more realistic than the aforementioned instances in Spidey's movies which do always looks iffy.

alexholker · Post by **alexholker** » 2008-02-05 01:50pm

Just because the repulsor beams can exert enough force to fly with doesn't mean that they are capable of penetrating armour. It would be like the difference between a push and a punch: for anti-armour use, the maximum force is more important than the ability to apply force continously.

Gullible Jones · Post by **Gullible Jones** » 2008-02-05 04:14pm

Hey, he shouldn't be able to dodge a shell like that... Powered armor doesn't give you superhuman reflexes.

On the other hand, it is a great scene. That mask may be completely expressionless, but somehow it still manages to give a convincing "WTF?" look.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2008-02-05 05:54pm

Gullible Jones wrote:Hey, he shouldn't be able to dodge a shell like that... Powered armor doesn't give you superhuman reflexes.

On the other hand, it is a great scene. That mask may be completely expressionless, but somehow it still manages to give a convincing "WTF?" look.

Stark's more advanced suits have typically included automated systems as well as manual controls. It may well simply be programmed such that if the sensors detect an imminent threat capable of inflicting critical damage, the armor automatically evades without conscious input from the wearer.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2008-02-05 07:22pm

And since Downey Jnr is appearing as Tony Stark is in the new Hulk movie I wonder if Jackson will be appearing as Nick Fury too?

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2008-02-05 07:28pm

2000AD wrote:And since Downey Jnr is appearing as Tony Stark is in the new Hulk movie I wonder if Jackson will be appearing as Nick Fury too?

Oh, fucking awesome! I've been waiting for too damn long for the superhero movies to start crossing over; it just doesn't make sense to have three or four sets of heroes living in the same city without ever even mentioning each other. (Spiderman, FF and Daredevil come to mind...)

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2008-02-05 09:21pm

Molyneux wrote:
Oh, fucking awesome! I've been waiting for too damn long for the superhero movies to start crossing over; it just doesn't make sense to have three or four sets of heroes living in the same city without ever even mentioning each other. (Spiderman, FF and Daredevil come to mind...)

I think Dr. Strange was mentioned offhand in one of the Spidey movies, right?

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2008-02-05 09:56pm

When the Daily Bugle staff are discussing a moniker for Doctor Octopus, Hoffman suggests "Doctor Strange," to which J. Jonah Jameson replies, "Hey, that's pretty good... but it's taken."

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2008-02-05 11:01pm

Publius wrote:When the Daily Bugle staff are discussing a moniker for Doctor Octopus, Hoffman suggests "Doctor Strange," to which J. Jonah Jameson replies, "Hey, that's pretty good... but it's taken."

And my fanboy soul gave a little giggle of joy, but...Iron Man (hopefully) in an all-out brawl, either alongside or against the Hulk, is enough to make the movie worth the price of entry.

I'm still holding out for She-Hulk making an appearance, though. Even just as Bruce's lawyer cousin.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-02-06 11:41am

Publius wrote:
Gullible Jones wrote:Hey, he shouldn't be able to dodge a shell like that... Powered armor doesn't give you superhuman reflexes.

On the other hand, it is a great scene. That mask may be completely expressionless, but somehow it still manages to give a convincing "WTF?" look.
Stark's more advanced suits have typically included automated systems as well as manual controls. It may well simply be programmed such that if the sensors detect an imminent threat capable of inflicting critical damage, the armor automatically evades without conscious input from the wearer.

How far away was that tank? A hundred yards? At that distance, he would have what, less than .1 seconds to react to the shell? Unless he starts moving before the gun fires, I don't see how he's avoiding that one. Just to move your torso one foot in .1 seconds, you need to accelerate at 6 Gs or more: something he might be able to do if his arms are out in front of him and he's using his repulsors, but not by simply shifting his weight as he does in the trailer.

Gullible Jones · Post by **Gullible Jones** » 2008-02-06 01:11pm

Although, come to think of it, we shouldn't have seen the shell either - it should have been supersonic. Unless the first part of that sequence was in super-slow-mo, which it didn't really look like.

Ah, don't we love Comic Book Physics.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-02-06 03:11pm

The shell would've been invisible, especially since the muzzle velocity of most modern 120 mm smoothbores firing APFSDS rounds is in the klicks/second rate. I surmise that the suit noticed the tanks was taking aim and loaded, and carried out the quickest possible countermeasure without the user really knowing.

The powered armour suits that can also act as mini-spacecraft in the Revelation Space series of novels by Alastair Reynolds contain a Beta level AI. It's not fully sentient or a copy of a human brain's engrams as with an Alpha level, but it has far more capability than a Gamma class which is a glorified pocket calculator. In situations where lasers and high-gee munitions and manoeuvres are involved, the AI will temporarily override the human, such as controlling defensive weaponry mounts to take down incoming threats or performing a swift 10 g burn out of the way of an obstacle which would blackout the pilot for a few seconds and obviously be beyond basic human reaction times.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2008-02-06 07:12pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Publius wrote:
Gullible Jones wrote:Hey, he shouldn't be able to dodge a shell like that... Powered armor doesn't give you superhuman reflexes.

On the other hand, it is a great scene. That mask may be completely expressionless, but somehow it still manages to give a convincing "WTF?" look.
Stark's more advanced suits have typically included automated systems as well as manual controls. It may well simply be programmed such that if the sensors detect an imminent threat capable of inflicting critical damage, the armor automatically evades without conscious input from the wearer.
How far away was that tank? A hundred yards? At that distance, he would have what, less than .1 seconds to react to the shell? Unless he starts moving before the gun fires, I don't see how he's avoiding that one. Just to move your torso one foot in .1 seconds, you need to accelerate at 6 Gs or more: something he might be able to do if his arms are out in front of him and he's using his repulsors, but not by simply shifting his weight as he does in the trailer.

If the explanation is some sort of automated evasive mechanism, then ideally it would have been triggered by the tank preparing to fire rather than it actually firing. At best, the "man-portable Aegis" idea is lipstick on a pig -- as you said, it doesn't really seem workable at the range and time frame seen in the trailer.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-02-06 07:27pm

Hey, you never know; he might have the artificial Spider Sense he managed to rig up in the comics.

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2008-02-06 10:19pm

Ford Prefect wrote:Hey, you never know; he might have the artificial Spider Sense he managed to rig up in the comics.

"For some reason, staring down the barrel of this tank's main cannon is making my danger sense tingle..."

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2008-02-07 12:15am

The CGI looks like shit, but it still seems like it might be a decent movie.

Post by **Vympel** » 2008-02-07 01:10am

The shell would've been invisible, especially since the muzzle velocity of most modern 120 mm smoothbores firing APFSDS rounds is in the klicks/second rate. I surmise that the suit noticed the tanks was taking aim and loaded, and carried out the quickest possible countermeasure without the user really knowing.

The shell was visible though, wasn't it? I don't know what that (at first glance, a bodgy old T-72M/T-72M1) tank was firing, but it certainly wasn't a 125mm APFSDS.