Super-Everything must GO! Tuesday!

[JME2]

Hmm. Didn't wake up to the landslide victory for Obama I was hoping for.

I'm dissapointed too, but at least it's not ever yet. Better Obama than Clinton.

[D.Turtle]

Man. I can't believe Obama lost

I can't really understand the pessimism here.

Clinton lost a huge nation-wide lead. Obama won 13 out of 22 states. He has as many pledged delegates as Clinton has. The next several states are all trending towards Obama, Obama collected three times the amount of money Clinton collected, and so on.

If anything this is a huge victory for Obama. they were hoping to be within one hundred delegates of Clinton, and instead they are tied. Also, don't forget that the superdelegates can change their vote at any time. Many of the superdelegates endorsed Clinton a long time ago when it seemed inevital that she would be the democratic nominee. If you look at the major endorsements in the last few weeks, the vast majority went for Obama. And if it becomes clearer that Obama will win the primary, you can expect man to jump ship.

In short: this is far from over for Obama, instead it is actually Hillary Clinton's campaign that is in deep trouble.

[Xisiqomelir]

I just woke up. A margin of +/-20 delegates is huge for our boy. Remember that he has more donors total b/c of internet fundraising, and hardly any of them have hit cap yet, unlike Hildawg's small group of corporate whores, who've all hit caps for themselves, spouses, poolboys and gardeners already. The longer this goes on, the better it is for Obama.

[Guardsman Bass]

It looks like CNN is waiting until the last second before even posting a projection of how California's district-by-district delegates will be distributed (even with 96% of districts reporting).

Oh, and Illuminatus Primus, I agree with you about the whole bullshit aspect of the "Clinton Brand". I remember actually posting a comment on the New York Times' Election Blog back in January, when Bill was taking flack for his intervention, saying that the Clintons had handed Obama a wonderfully exposed broadside for either him or a surrogate to attack.

[Illuminatus Primus]

It looks like CNN is waiting until the last second before even posting a projection of how California's district-by-district delegates will be distributed (even with 96% of districts reporting).

Oh, and Illuminatus Primus, I agree with you about the whole bullshit aspect of the "Clinton Brand". I remember actually posting a comment on the New York Times' Election Blog back in January, when Bill was taking flack for his intervention, saying that the Clintons had handed Obama a wonderfully exposed broadside for either him or a surrogate to attack.

I hate how the election coverage consists of slavish acceptance of talking points and endless obsession over and nitpicking of the emotional/rhetorical feel by pretend "experts." These hacks repeat over and over again how the Clinton Brand has credibility even though the very idea is logically inconsistent.

[Flagg]

It looks like CNN is waiting until the last second before even posting a projection of how California's district-by-district delegates will be distributed (even with 96% of districts reporting).

Oh, and Illuminatus Primus, I agree with you about the whole bullshit aspect of the "Clinton Brand". I remember actually posting a comment on the New York Times' Election Blog back in January, when Bill was taking flack for his intervention, saying that the Clintons had handed Obama a wonderfully exposed broadside for either him or a surrogate to attack.

I hate how the election coverage consists of slavish acceptance of talking points and endless obsession over and nitpicking of the emotional/rhetorical feel by pretend "experts." These hacks repeat over and over again how the Clinton Brand has credibility even though the very idea is logically inconsistent.

I hate how they keep going on about who won which state, as if it fucking matters. None of these states was winner-takes all so it doesn't fucking matter. All that matters is the delegate count.

[Gerald Tarrant]

Intrade seems to think these results are much more positive for Obama. Last night Obama winning the nomination was trading @ around 40. Now he's about even with Senator Clinton

[Flagg]

Intrade seems to think these results are much more positive for Obama. Last night Obama winning the nomination was trading @ around 40. Now he's about even with Senator Clinton

It was a great night for Obama. It's now a war of attrition and he has more money than she does. All he had to do was stay about even, and that's exactly what he did. When shit finally settles in California and a few other states, he may very well end up slightly ahead with pledges delegates. I think he's still behind in super delegates, but that shit can change as they can switch sides at will.

[Mr Bean]

Why is all this "Obama lost" talk out there?
Per the acutal CNN vote totals he won more states and when everything said and done he has 603 Pledged Delegates to Hillary's 590?

The super-delegates are the only reason Hillary has the "lead" but considering that they can change their minds at any time this is still a neck and neck race. Given Super Tuesday is behind us with three states Obama is expected to dominate in, should his supporters not be ecstatics?

The states he lost in last night can directly be tied to early voters, people who voted in December, or even November overwhelming voted Hillary, and in such numbers come actual super-Tuesday it was almost impossible for Obama to win it.

He won last night no question, he missed out on a few close wins, but over-all he did much better than Hillary did. Sans-New York he has several states with 30% dominations in the vote totals.

[Shroom Man 777]

Obama has more cash? That's surprising, given how Hillery seems to have the support of the Establishment and all. Come on, Obama! You can win this!

Hillary Clinton might get a sudden upsurge in votes if she menstruates and holds up her bloody tampon for the American public to see.

I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the ovaries and uterus of a President, and of a President of America too!

[Flagg]

Why is all this "Obama" lost talk out there?
Per the acutal CNN vote totals he won more states and when everything said and done he has 603 Pledged Delegates to Hillary's 590?

The super-delegates are the only reason Hillary has the "lead" but considering that they can change their minds at any time this is still a neck and neck race. Given Super Tuesday is behind us now I expect a long term momentum has built for Obama now.

Two reasons.

1) Horserace bullshit to keep up ratings.

2) Alot of people in the media want Clinton and the Republicans really want Clinton.

[Flagg]

Obama has more cash? That's surprising, given how Hillery seems to have the support of the Establishment and all. Come on, Obama! You can win this!

Hillary Clinton might get a sudden upsurge in votes if she menstruates and holds up her bloody tampon for the American public to see.

I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the ovaries and uterus of a President, and of a President of America too!

Yeah, Obama has been ahead of her when it comes to cash for almost the entire race. And most of his donations are coming in small amounts from actual voters, as opposed to corporations and lobbyists.

[Shroom Man 777]

Yeah, Obama has been ahead of her when it comes to cash for almost the entire race. And most of his donations are coming in small amounts from actual voters, as opposed to corporations and lobbyists.

My, my. This really does seem to be like The Establishment versus the People. The Rich Old White Men and their firmly entrenched ways and status quo, versus the dissatisfied common man seeking a change in the old ways. And the fact that these small donations from many voters is actually giving Obama more money than Hillery and her corporation/lobbyist funds...that's incredible!

If Obama wins, it might actually show democracy in action. As opposed to democracy inaction. It's like the proletariat overthrowing the Tsarists and bourgeoisie - but without a bloody revolution.

Here's to hoping that one of these days, you Americans can look back at Indecision '08 and see how the system worked for once and all that. Good luck, guys.

[Darth Wong]

Aren't we seeing something similar on the Republican side, with the power elite and media pundits backing Romney while the people said "fuck you" and voted for Huckabee or McCain?

[Coyote]

The thing is, as someone pointed out, Hils has a certain number of high-paying bankrollers who've legally topped out their donations. Obama, however, has bankrolled his campaign mostly on masses of people giving under $1,000.00. That means that all those people can give again if they're so motivated, whereas Hils supporters have to either sit tight or find some shenanigan style manner of contributing again.

The thing to remember is that the Democratic elite have been investing in Hillary for almost a decade. Ever since Bill left office they've been pretty obvious that she's being groomed to assume the mantle again. A lot of time and effort has gone into shoring her up and so now they don't want to lose years of investment to a young upstart from out of nowhere.

It goes to show, no matter how certain a victory is for the Democrats, it is guaranteed that there are a hard-working group of Democrat party leaders who are working diligently on a plan to lose the next election.

[Broomstick]

Just as I'm sure you have blacks voting for Obama just because he's black there are a host of women voting for Hillary because she is a woman. I read one excerpt from a voter in NYC yesterday who states "I had to vote for Hillary, she's a woman and I felt like I couldn't look my future granddaughter in the eye if I didn't." Now, even though it bugs me that no matter how bad the candidate is you feel like you have to vote for them due to some higher principal (which of course boils down to - because she's like me) I can't deny that it is a powerful urge and there are far more women than there are blacks so if people vote just along those lines its going to suck for Obama.

Yes, but not all women will kneejerk vote for Clinton - this woman favors Obama. And Obama must be gaining some of the white male vote as well or he wouldn't be winning as much as he has been.

There are a lot of reasons for choosing a candidate. Some better than others.

[Xisiqomelir]

Obama has more cash? That's surprising, given how Hillery seems to have the support of the Establishment and all. Come on, Obama! You can win this!

Hillary Clinton might get a sudden upsurge in votes if she menstruates and holds up her bloody tampon for the American public to see.

I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the ovaries and uterus of a President, and of a President of America too!

Yeah, Obama has been ahead of her when it comes to cash for almost the entire race. And most of his donations are coming in small amounts from actual voters, as opposed to corporations and lobbyists.

She is fucking busto. She needed NH badly because the campaign was pretty much running on air after Iowa. Her January monies were only $13M, she ran ads in only 12 states vs Obama's 29 (!) and Matthews and Olbermann were both laughing their asses off at the "1 debate/week" request because they know she's desperate for the TV time she can't afford to buy.

[Mr Bean]

Speaking of which, was was this Hillary agreeing to appear on a Faux News Debate? Is she that fucking desperate for air-time she's going to break the no Fox news rule?

[Darth Wong]

Speaking of which, was was this Hillary agreeing to appear on a Faux News Debate? Is she that fucking desperate for air-time she's going to break the no Fox news rule?

One of the guys from FOXNews confirmed that on The Daily Show last night. Hillary wants to appear on FOXNews.

[Guardsman Bass]

Obama has more cash? That's surprising, given how Hillery seems to have the support of the Establishment and all. Come on, Obama! You can win this!

Hillary Clinton might get a sudden upsurge in votes if she menstruates and holds up her bloody tampon for the American public to see.

I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the ovaries and uterus of a President, and of a President of America too!

Yeah, Obama has been ahead of her when it comes to cash for almost the entire race. And most of his donations are coming in small amounts from actual voters, as opposed to corporations and lobbyists.

She is fucking busto. She needed NH badly because the campaign was pretty much running on air after Iowa. Her January monies were only $13M, she ran ads in only 12 states vs Obama's 29 (!) and Matthews and Olbermann were both laughing their asses off at the "1 debate/week" request because they know she's desperate for the TV time she can't afford to buy.

Not that I would mind 1 debate a week (although it might become dull if they don't try to ask some unusual questions - I remember way back, one of the more interesting questions Russert asked was something along the lines of whether as President Hillary Clinton would back Israel if hypothetically Israel took unilateral action against a hypothetical Iranian nuclear capability).

I wonder what this will do for fundraising for both candidates. The whole "Obama has more possible yield from his contributor base than Hillary has from hers" has been mentioned, but I'm curious as to what a close tie does for fundraising in a situation like this.

[LadyTevar]

I hope next year the WV Democrats are allowed to do our Primary on SuperTuesday like the Republicans were.

As I understand it both the Republican and Democratic primaries for that state are on May 13th. But most of the Republican delegates are assigned by a winner-takes-all (!?) closed convention instead, which was moved forward to today in a desperate attempt to be relevant.

Today's paper clarified that. It also clarified why Huckabee won -- McCain's support wasn't enough to overcome Romney, so they threw in with Huckabee to deny Romney the state.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Huckabee is running for VP at this point. He and McCain clearly cut some sort of deal for him to spoil Romney. Which is sad, because without Fred in it Romney is my first choice.

Hell, if it comes down to Clinton/McCain, I'm voting for Xenu.

[Crossroads Inc.]

But here is the important question.. Would Huck supporters actualyl Vote for McCain if Hyuck was on as VP spot?

[Havok]

But here is the important question.. Would Huck supporters actualyl Vote for McCain if Hyuck was on as VP spot?

Sure. McCain could easily kick the bucket while in office or have some other debilitating health problem develop. He also may not want to run for a second term due to his age.

[Pablo Sanchez]

The super-delegates are the only reason Hillary has the "lead" but considering that they can change their minds at any time this is still a neck and neck race.

Moreover, there are nearly 800 Superdelegates and not even 200 of them have actually pledged so far. There's little indication as to which way they'll run when the time comes. Gut instinct would seem to say that Clinton has an advantage in that she has Bill to press the flesh and is the obvious choice of the soulless party hacks, but Obama has Kennedy and Tom Daschle is a major advisor to his campaign.

Somebody was asking before, what good Kennedy's endorsement did Obama if he lost Massachusetts, that's the probable answer. Clinton had an advantage going in, because it was near her upper East Coast base of power so that she could mobilize strong machinery there, and in such a staunchly liberal state there is a lot of goodwill towards Bill Clinton still going. Also, the place is 87% white so Barack's appeal to blacks was stunted, while Hillary's appeal to women is strong everywhere. So Barack was going to lose MA from the start. However, Ted Kennedy is still one of the biggest names in Congress and can influence unpledged superdelegates from all over New England and the country generally.

It's also fun to note that Obama was strongest on the ground in places where the Democrats need to fight hard in November (the South and Midwest) whereas Clinton was strongest in places that are basically a given for the Democrats (the coastal liberal belts).