Worst overall ship design in ST/SW...

Sektor31 · Post by **Sektor31** » 2003-01-20 12:20pm

I'd have to say the Krenim attack ship (not the planet-eraser) in STV's Year of Hell takes the cake.

Come on...one torpedo launcher? And Voyager had problems with these kids? Target all the weapons and fire at it.

Also, when those torpedoes hit...I didn't see too much damage. Visual inconsistency by the SFX team.

Either that or the Enterprise E. In STFC, Picard states that firing on the deflector dish would vaporize half the ship. Why make a warship that has a rather GIGANTIC Achilles' heel? Just fire a phaser there... Shinzon was a bad tactician.

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2003-01-20 12:26pm

Id say the Galaxy class is the absolute worst ship in Star Trek.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-20 12:33pm

The whole saucer-pylon-cylinder-two pylons-nacelle concept seems bad to me, I much prefer ships with internal warp drives

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-20 12:37pm

IT MUST BE THE VALDORE CLASS!

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-01-20 12:40pm

I was never a fan of the Mon Cal cruisers. They were sinply not pretty ships, lumpy and organic looking these vessels look like flying tumors. Not pretty at all particularly when you put them up against Stradestroyers.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-20 12:46pm

Master of Ossus wrote:IT MUST BE THE VALDORE CLASS!

Now the last trek movie I watched was First Contact so I have no idea what a Valdore looks like, so help me.

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-01-20 12:54pm

Stravo wrote:I was never a fan of the Mon Cal cruisers. They were sinply not pretty ships, lumpy and organic looking these vessels look like flying tumors. Not pretty at all particularly when you put them up against Stradestroyers.

What are looks when it can take the punishment an SD throws at it?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-20 01:13pm

All romulan designs since save for the first couple.

I thought the practically hollow borg cubes needed a lot of work

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-01-20 01:27pm

ST: The Oberth class. I can't get over the fact that the engineering section looks like one of them water-ski's that were mounted under WW2 float planes and I still don't know how they get in to the engineering section from the saucer (site-to-site is dangerous and rare in TOS era).

SW: All Naboo ships, but the Queens transport in particular. Sleek, smooth, shiny and reflective, not at all what I would expect from SW ships. They are a disgrace, shame on GL for ever putting them on screen.

Shadow Walker · Post by **Shadow Walker** » 2003-01-20 01:29pm

For Treck I'd say the Galaxy Class. To many civilians on board, and to many coolant leakes.
For Wars I simply detest anything from naboo. Their ships are shiny chrome monstrousities.

ClaysGhost · Post by **ClaysGhost** » 2003-01-20 01:31pm

ST: The original Enterprise. Ick. Get a load of those nacelle struts. And that transparent window they had in the bridge dome, what a good idea.

Sir Sirius wrote: SW: All Naboo ships, but the Queens transport in particular. Sleek, smooth, shiny and reflective, not at all what I would expect from SW ships. They are a disgrace, shame on GL for ever putting them on screen.

Damn right. That yellow on the fighters was chosen to cause me pain.

Post by **AdmiralKanos** » 2003-01-20 01:40pm

Anything so flimsy that it's difficult to make a scale model which is structurally sound. That means the original E-Nil (despite its sentimental value) with its long, skinny nacelle struts with no fucking gussets or stress concentration relief radii at the base and most Romulan designs.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-01-20 01:52pm

AdmiralKanos wrote:Anything so flimsy that it's difficult to make a scale model which is structurally sound. That means the original E-Nil (despite its sentimental value) with its long, skinny nacelle struts with no fucking gussets or stress concentration relief radii at the base and most Romulan designs.

That, even when I was a kid, was my tell-all when it came to construction value. As well, my cousin has a die-cast E-nil and a die-cast Star Destroyer, roughly the same size, supposed to by designed to scale. The E-nil fractured when being dropped off a balcony, disfigured when stepped on. The Star Destroyer, despite being made of similar materials and to a similar quality of detailing, retained its shape and didn't lose pieces when thrown about in the grip of a manic two year old.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-20 01:53pm

Sir Sirius wrote:SW: All Naboo ships, but the Queens transport in particular. Sleek, smooth, shiny and reflective, not at all what I would expect from SW ships. They are a disgrace, shame on GL for ever putting them on screen.

I feel the opposite, to me it shows realistic diversity of design and that SW does not have to be limited to the rusty hard metal style.

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-01-20 02:04pm

The thing about Naboo ships is that they were designed for parade mostly, they were not actually combat efficient fighters and the cruisers were not even armed!

They were good for their purpose and that was air shows but other that that...they didn't do much good, they should have been vaped clean out the skies by fighters that were clearly superior to their own and the Td had numerical superiority too....Ai isn't all that hot it seems..

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-01-20 02:05pm

Sir Sirius wrote:SW: All Naboo ships, but the Queens transport in particular. Sleek, smooth, shiny and reflective, not at all what I would expect from SW ships. They are a disgrace, shame on GL for ever putting them on screen.

I glower in your general direction. I would be COMPLETELY aghast if a culture as rich, ancient and diverse as Star Wars had NEVER, in a million years, ever built a piece of technology purely for its aesthetic value, like the queen's craft or Dooku's private sailship.

Only the military in Star Wars builds rugged, efficient, utilitarian craft, with sometimes a small mind for psychological warfare if any aesthetics are employed at all. Which makes bloody sense.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-20 02:07pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:IT MUST BE THE VALDORE CLASS!
Now the last trek movie I watched was First Contact so I have no idea what a Valdore looks like, so help me.

Download its (not so) beauty shot here:

http://trek5.com/wallpaper/index.html

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-20 02:07pm

The Escort Frigate from Star Wars. It is a nasty looking ship that looks like it was designed from several different shipe. I mean that whole neck section is a well proven vunerability.

For Star Trek basically all the multi-purpose ships, The warships were cool looking.

ClaysGhost · Post by **ClaysGhost** » 2003-01-20 02:13pm

Sir Sirius wrote: I glower in your general direction. I would be COMPLETELY aghast if a culture as rich, ancient and diverse as Star Wars had NEVER, in a million years, ever built a piece of technology purely for its aesthetic value, like the queen's craft or Dooku's private sailship.

Only the military in Star Wars builds rugged, efficient, utilitarian craft, with sometimes a small mind for psychological warfare if any aesthetics are employed at all. Which makes bloody sense.

Dooku's ship is pretty, if mad, but I don't think that the Naboo ships have any aesthetic value. They somehow manage to be ugly (personally, I thought the Acclamator was an ugly ship too, just so you know I'm not a complete industrial-style fanboy). And I thought they looked very odd in space, because they remained light grey, rather than reflecting the background.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-01-20 05:57pm

Nebulon-B and Valdore (maybe E-nil)

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2003-01-20 08:05pm

In the original SW drafts chrome organizations are mentioned numerous times. Making the Naboo ships shiny metallic probably has something to do with that.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-01-20 08:53pm

My defenition of a good design is something which is structurally sound, and can do it's job well. For starfighters, cockpit visibility is a plus.

I believe the Nebulon-B frigate isn't that great of a design, since the middle part probably threatens structural integrity. Also, I don't know why Y-wings have that panel on top that restricts the pilot's visiblity.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-01-20 09:40pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:Also, I don't know why Y-wings have that panel on top that restricts the pilot's visiblity.

Better than the TIE designs in that regard. You can't see shit in a TIE cockpit.

Darth Fanatic · Post by **Darth Fanatic** » 2003-01-20 10:19pm

ST- Excelsior it was meant for transwarp but did it happen? NO!!!

SW- Soverigne SSD they all were destroyed!!!

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-01-21 12:09am

AdmiralKanos wrote:Anything so flimsy that it's difficult to make a scale model which is structurally sound. That means the original E-Nil (despite its sentimental value) with its long, skinny nacelle struts with no fucking gussets or stress concentration relief radii at the base and most Romulan designs.

Just out of a matter of curiosity, when did you attempt building the model kit? I do remember that the first issue of the E-nil model did have a lousy nacelle mounting system which I never was able to get right. At some point in the 70s or 80s, though, they remoulded the kits and changed the nacelle mounts to a solid closed socket that you could snap the pylon into. I had one model take a fall and everything else broke but the nacelles. Those damn things stayed welded to the hull.