Iron Man Superbowl Trailer

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2008-02-07 07:38am

Vympel wrote:
The shell would've been invisible, especially since the muzzle velocity of most modern 120 mm smoothbores firing APFSDS rounds is in the klicks/second rate. I surmise that the suit noticed the tanks was taking aim and loaded, and carried out the quickest possible countermeasure without the user really knowing.
The shell was visible though, wasn't it? I don't know what that (at first glance, a bodgy old T-72M/T-72M1) tank was firing, but it certainly wasn't a 125mm APFSDS.

Yes, it was; judging from the couple of frames it was on-screen, it was moving pretty fast, but nothing like what a real tank shell travels at.

Post by **Vympel** » 2008-02-07 08:22am

Looking at the trailer in 1080p, it actually looks like some sort of made-up variant of an M1.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-02-07 01:18pm

Drooling Iguana wrote:The CGI looks like shit, but it still seems like it might be a decent movie.

I don't think you've seen shit CGI. Shit CGI is when you try to pass off PSX FMVs as movie quality. If that's "shit", what's good? Is Transformers passable at least?

Academia Nut · Post by **Academia Nut** » 2008-02-07 02:19pm

The suit gains a great deal of its strength from the repulsors, right? As in there is a sort of field around it that keeps it from crumpling like a tin can when something actually hits, right? If so, then perhaps the best way of interpretting the tank shell scene would be that the suit detected the shell and then threw out the field to slow it down to a velocity that was dodge-able, since it obviously couldn't stop it dead. This might also explain why Iron Man went with the rocket launcher, in that his suit had just drained a great deal of energy with such a move and needed to recharge the capacitors or such, thus the rocket.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2008-02-07 03:27pm

Academia Nut wrote:The suit gains a great deal of its strength from the repulsors, right? As in there is a sort of field around it that keeps it from crumpling like a tin can when something actually hits, right? If so, then perhaps the best way of interpretting the tank shell scene would be that the suit detected the shell and then threw out the field to slow it down to a velocity that was dodge-able, since it obviously couldn't stop it dead. This might also explain why Iron Man went with the rocket launcher, in that his suit had just drained a great deal of energy with such a move and needed to recharge the capacitors or such, thus the rocket.

More plausible, but...I don't think that's what the clip is trying to show. He seems to blow up the tank almost dismissively, like it isn't any threat.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-02-07 03:30pm

Molyneux wrote:More plausible, but...I don't think that's what the clip is trying to show. He seems to blow up the tank almost dismissively, like it isn't any threat.

Of course he's destroying it with the air of swatting a bloated, lazy fly. He's Iron Man.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-02-07 08:56pm

Why did they ditch the Black Sabbath Iron Man song from previous trailers? I do hope it's in the film.

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2008-02-07 09:01pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Drooling Iguana wrote:The CGI looks like shit, but it still seems like it might be a decent movie.
I don't think you've seen shit CGI. Shit CGI is when you try to pass off PSX FMVs as movie quality. If that's "shit", what's good? Is Transformers passable at least?

To him? Nope. See the Oscar Thread.

I get the feeling that he thinks it's bad CGI if it's not COMPLETELY photorealistic. If I'm wrong, I would like to see if he can name a film that has good CGI.

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2008-02-07 09:02pm

Darth Wong wrote:Why did they ditch the Black Sabbath Iron Man song from previous trailers? I do hope it's in the film.

A song like that would probably be used in the credits or something, though I agree that they should break out of the mold and actually use it in the film. That would be badass.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2008-02-07 09:06pm

Darth Wong wrote:Why did they ditch the Black Sabbath Iron Man song from previous trailers? I do hope it's in the film.

Agreed. That's what really sold me on the original trailer, it's rare to hear Black Sabbath used in proper context.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2008-02-07 09:46pm

18-Till-I-Die wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Why did they ditch the Black Sabbath Iron Man song from previous trailers? I do hope it's in the film.
Agreed. That's what really sold me on the original trailer, it's rare to hear Black Sabbath used in proper context.

...except that the song "Iron Man" is about someone who travels back in time and is slowly transmuting into metal, isn't it?

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2008-02-07 10:01pm

I thought it was about someone who used to be idealistic but that everyone picked on so he turned into an asshole.

And good CGI is the kind you don't notice. Bad CGI is usually marked by things moving in impossible ways, such as a guy in a big metal suit moving nothing like what a guy in a big metal suit should move like, even if it's full of servomotors and repulsors.

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2008-02-07 10:36pm

So then there was no possible way that Iron Man, or Transformers, or Spider-Man, or anything involving fantastic events could have "good" CGI?

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2008-02-07 11:04pm

If the unrealisticness is purely from the fantastic aspects of the movie it's fine, but when it's still all wrong even taking those elements into account it's shit.

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2008-02-07 11:17pm

Ah I gotcha. So even if it looks nice, if the "physics engine" blows, then it gets negative points. Nothing wrong with that I suppose.

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2008-02-07 11:27pm

Drooling Iguana wrote:And good CGI is the kind you don't notice. Bad CGI is usually marked by things moving in impossible ways, such as a guy in a big metal suit moving nothing like what a guy in a big metal suit should move like, even if it's full of servomotors and repulsors.

Out of curiosity, can you name a movie that you think has Good CGI?

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2008-02-08 02:41am

Darth Wong wrote:Why did they ditch the Black Sabbath Iron Man song from previous trailers? I do hope it's in the film.

If it was just some director, I would say they dropped it and just used it for the trailer, but as this is Jon Favreau, and he is cool and, IIRC, a fan boy, it will probably be in the movie. Running it in the teaser and the SB spot might have just got it a little too worn out so they went with something that has a similar vibe and feel.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2008-02-08 02:49am

Molyneux
Drooling Iguana

The lyrics don't really give up much of a story, but I've always thought that it was indeed about a time traveler that during his journey, became a monster or "Iron Man" ("He was turned to steel In the great magnetic field") and the world he was trying to save turned on him because of it. So he started biting the heads off birds and pissing on the Alamo.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2008-02-08 03:03am

Hmm. Not sure of the validity of this as the quote from Geezer is uncited, and the FAQ isn't from anyone official. So take it with a grain of salt.

link

Black Sabbath.com wrote: IRON MAN

A man makes a time travel into the future of the world. He sees
the apocalypse. When he comes back he tries to warn the world but
nobody takes care of him. So he gets mad and has revenge on mankind.
In the end it becomes clear that he is the reason for the apocalypse.
"Ozzy came up with the title 'Iron Man' and I wrote it about this
guy who's blasted off into space and he sees the future of the world, which
isn't very good. Then he goes through a magnetic storm on the way back and
is turned to iron. He's trying to warn everyone about the future of the
world, but he can't speak, so everyone is taking the mickey out of him all
the time, and he just doesn't care in the end." - Geezer
The Iron Man's destruction of the people who ignore and mock him unwittingly
fulfills his own vision.

Kojiro · Post by **Kojiro** » 2008-02-08 03:18am

Publius wrote: If the explanation is some sort of automated evasive mechanism, then ideally it would have been triggered by the tank preparing to fire rather than it actually firing. At best, the "man-portable Aegis" idea is lipstick on a pig -- as you said, it doesn't really seem workable at the range and time frame seen in the trailer.

There's a scene a few seconds earlier where he's coming under fire from a machine gun of sorts and his arm is jumping around blocking bullets like crazy protecting his exposed head so at the least the suit has some directive (and capacity) to protect him without his direct input.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-02-08 04:52am

Won't that disintegrate his arms?

Iron Wonderwoman Man!

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-02-08 04:56am

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Won't that disintegrate his arms?

Tony Stark has nothing but contempt for your concepts of 'mechanical stress' and 'tensile strength of bone'. Psh.

Post by **Vympel** » 2008-02-08 07:17am

Speaking of music in comic book films, I thought Linkin Park in Transformers was pretty awesome, even if it was just the end credits.

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2008-02-08 11:06am

Vympel wrote:Speaking of music in comic book films, I thought Linkin Park in Transformers was pretty awesome, even if it was just the end credits.

Y'know, when I heard that "What I've done" was going to be in the movie, I had no idea how it would work. But the timing was done so perfectly, it just fit.

Post by **Kuja** » 2008-02-08 11:55am

Molyneux wrote:
18-Till-I-Die wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Why did they ditch the Black Sabbath Iron Man song from previous trailers? I do hope it's in the film.
Agreed. That's what really sold me on the original trailer, it's rare to hear Black Sabbath used in proper context.
...except that the song "Iron Man" is about someone who travels back in time and is slowly transmuting into metal, isn't it?

What's hilarious to me is that immediately following these Civil War and World War Hulk arcs, the movie Iron Man gets released to the tune of a song about a former hero who becomes a sociopath and "kills the people he once saved."

The irony is so thick I want to drown in it.