LOOK OVER THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE FOLLOWING TWO HOUSES AND SEE IF YOU CAN TELL WHICH BELONGS TO AN ENVIRONMENTALIST.
HOUSE # 1:
A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas.
Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas. In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the average American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400.00 per month. In natural gas alone (which last time we checked was a fossil fuel), this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not in a northern or Midwestern "snow belt," either. It's in the South.
HOUSE # 2:
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university, This house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house contains only 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on arid high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in winter and cools it in summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas, and it consumes 25% of the electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and shrubs native to the area blend the property into the surrounding rural landscape.
So the answer is:
HOUSE # 1 (20 room energy guzzling mansion) is outside of Nashville, Tennessee. It is the abode of that renowned environmentalist and filmmaker) Al Gore.
HOUSE # 2 (model eco-friendly house) is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas. Also known as "the Texas White House," it is the private residence of the President of the United States, George W. Bush. So whose house is gentler on the environment? Yet another story you WON'T hear on CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC or read about in the New York Times or the Washington Post. Indeed, for Mr. Gore, it's truly "an inconvenient truth."
Is this for real? I received this e-mail from a friend, and at first didn't believe it. Then I checked it out on www.snopes.com and it seems to be legitimate. Has this been brought up before? I'd be interested to hear from people who are better informed on this than I.
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You know he has an organization working out of his house, much of which is actually a head office, right? No kidding it uses more than a normal house; it should be compared to a small business HQ, not a typical home.
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Darth Wong wrote:You know he has an organization working out of his house, much of which is actually a head office, right? No kidding it uses more than a normal house; it should be compared to a small business HQ, not a typical home.
No, Mike. You just don't get it. If you go that route, then you can't attack Gore as being a rich, shameless hypocrite to the left. We can't have unfair comparisons like unit of energy per unit productivity, else Bush's ranch comes up a dismal second. Like the real White House, in fact.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good axe grind, says I.
Kodiak, I also hope you do understand this is merely an attack (an invalid one as well) on the messenger, right? So what are people supposed to conclude from this? That Al Gore is wrong about climate change?
Pint0 Xtreme wrote:Kodiak, I also hope you do understand this is merely an attack (an invalid one as well) on the messenger, right? So what are people supposed to conclude from this? That Al Gore is wrong about climate change?
To be sure, it smacks of propaganda. My point in posting here is that I can see the "article" is from last year, and was wondering what other people's thoughts on it are. Also, if it is, in fact, accurate then what is Al Gore doing to clean-up his own "backyard"? I hadn't considered his running an organization from his home, and that makes sense, but does anyone know what measures Big Al advocates for the everyman to stop global warming?
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Pint0 Xtreme wrote:Kodiak, I also hope you do understand this is merely an attack (an invalid one as well) on the messenger, right? So what are people supposed to conclude from this? That Al Gore is wrong about climate change?
Of course it doesn't, butit is still interesting that Bushes home is more energy efficient than the American average. I doubt it means anything beyond the fact that the prof. who designed it believes in eco-friendly homes, not that Bush actually does.
Kodiak wrote:
To be sure, it smacks of propaganda. My point in posting here is that I can see the "article" is from last year, and was wondering what other people's thoughts on it are. Also, if it is, in fact, accurate then what is Al Gore doing to clean-up his own "backyard"?
Try asking that when you have energy consumption usage reports on small businesses compared to Al Gore's building.
I hadn't considered his running an organization from his home, and that makes sense, but does anyone know what measures Big Al advocates for the everyman to stop global warming?
I hear he has several videos and books out on the topic. Perhaps you could read those to find out.
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So I hear if Gore is burning heaps of natural gas, everything he says about the environment is invalidated, right?
It amuses me that this article is outraged, when the average American home uses so much more energy than homes anywhere else in the world. Clearly the logic only works to make Gore ignorable lol.
Stark wrote:So I hear if Gore is burning heaps of natural gas, everything he says about the environment is invalidated, right?
Precisely. Just like obesity must not be bad for you if your doctor is fat. Clearly, he's a hypocrite, therefore his claims must be false and his arguments invalid.
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Darth Wong wrote:Precisely. Just like obesity must not be bad for you if your doctor is fat. Clearly, he's a hypocrite, therefore his claims must be false and his arguments invalid.
His hypocrisy or honesty is in many ways a critical part of the whole climate change house of cards, after all. Once you remove 'Al Gore is a conservationist at heart', it all comes down and it turns out industrial emissions clear the chest and make your kids grow up strong.
It's sad that this kind of reasoning totally works, when it's highschool-level stuff.
Actually I think there's a reasonable explanation for this. GW Bush isn't concerned about Global Warming or Climate Change. He wants to live off the grid because he's been involved with the oil business for years and knows what would happen if Peak Oil happens.
So if you are looking for intent, Bush is a sack of shit. He's looking out for number one while selling out the country, and if he knows of the future disaster it makes him far worse than Gore since he should've instituted a crash program of nuclear energy when he first came in office.
Stark wrote:His hypocrisy or honesty is in many ways a critical part of the whole climate change house of cards, after all. Once you remove 'Al Gore is a conservationist at heart', it all comes down and it turns out industrial emissions clear the chest and make your kids grow up strong.
It's sad that this kind of reasoning totally works, when it's highschool-level stuff.
Look, Kodiak also thinks the Book of Mormon contains a true historical account of Jesus in North America. I think it's safe to say that thinking critically is something of a foreign concept here...
Al Gore's housing energy cost again? This has been debunked before. But to remind people:
The 16,000 Kilowatt/hour figure is the basis for these lies. And it's true: In 2006, he sucked up that much for a few months. Apparently, remodeling a 10,000 square foot building uses some energy.
Who'd have thought?! An 80 year old giant building that houses offices for a global effort uses alot of power. Gosh, it uses more than the average person in his state.
It's in fucking Tennessee. Think about what that means for the average.
If you want to make a real comparison, though, you could always take the high-end figure the deniers of basic observations use, and compare them to Gore's successor, Cheney. In 2001, his power bill was 186 thousand dollars. This power bill was inserted into the Navy's funding. Yea, I don't know wtf is up with that either.
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Bush might have installed all that energy efficiency because he's a cheap bastard and there is no denying he's saving money on his fuel bill. That doesn't mean he's a tree hugger.
Al Gore has been criticized for a long time in his home state (I have in-laws there and visited it at least once a year for the past 20 years or so) for being a hypocrite. Now, as pointed out, there may be a reasonable explanation for the energy costs at Gore's place, such as running a business/organization out of the home, and it is also possible that when natural gas systems were installed they were cheaper than alternatives but that has changed over time and it does leave him open to criticism. For that matter, it is entirely possible for him to be a tree-hugger in theory but to have deplorable personal habits in this area, it wouldn't be the first time public statements departed from personal practice in a politician.
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So Bush's ranch consumes less energy than Al Gore's mansion does.
Now let's look beyond their homes and see which of them has made a more positive impact on the environment.
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SirNitram wrote:If you want to make a real comparison, though, you could always take the high-end figure the deniers of basic observations use, and compare them to Gore's successor, Cheney. In 2001, his power bill was 186 thousand dollars. This power bill was inserted into the Navy's funding. Yea, I don't know wtf is up with that either.
Because the ofical VP residence is at the Naval Observatory in NW washington DC and is thus sitll a "functioning" Naval Base. In turn the funding to pay for facilities expenses on the base would be in the Naval budget.
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Sadly, the argument turns to "If Gore can use loads of energy then why can't I?" which is an all too common tactic. See, we should all enjoy riding headfirst into the apocalypse rather than sacrifice creature comforts.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Sadly, the argument turns to "If Gore can use loads of energy then why can't I?" which is an all too common tactic. See, we should all enjoy riding headfirst into the apocalypse rather than sacrifice creature comforts.
"Give up my holidays to the Costa del Sol when Gore has a mansion?! Fuck that, I'd rather kill the planet more and maybe club a seal pup because I fucking can."
Are you planning to emigrate to America now? With talk like that the Green Card is practically yours.
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