Torchwood S2x04: Meat (Spoilers)

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2008-02-06 03:22pm

3 quid says the magical memory destroying pills return tonight.....

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-02-06 03:24pm

My TV guide claims Gwen's boyfriend joins the team, whether this is a permanant thing or not I don't know. But hell, he can't make them any worse.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-02-06 03:41pm

NecronLord wrote:My TV guide claims Gwen's boyfriend joins the team, whether this is a permanant thing or not I don't know. But hell, he can't make them any worse.

They should eat him. No, really. I'd watch and be entertained if they did.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-02-06 04:55pm

Personally, I thought he was by far the most competant person on the short bus today. Of course, this isn't saying much.

I had an amusing fantasy about UNIT in the same situation. It involved a platoon of soldiers and a Valiant type aircraft carrier.

It's always helpless aliens in this, too. I want to see a judoon or a cyberman wash up some time, and for them to have to confront the fact that they can't do jack about it but accede to whatever demand it makes.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-02-06 05:09pm

Cyberwoman?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-02-06 05:53pm

Who did kick all their asses, even though she was an unarmoured, low rent cybusman. Now just imagine what one of those 80s ones would do to them. Or one from The Invasion.

Torchwood's survival seems to entirely count on the aliens that come through the rift being armed only with teeth and claws, or otherwise helpless.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-02-06 06:04pm

NecronLord wrote:Now just imagine what one of those 80s ones would do to them. Or one from The Invasion.

I remember the great time we were having before we knew that the Cybermen were not actually the Cybermen. I would love to actually see such a thing happen.

"We are Torchwood."

"IRRELEVENT."

*dreamy sigh*

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2008-02-07 07:20am

I know I may be imagining this - but is the series...I don't know..improving somewhat? is it possible?

I know Stark is going to hate me forever for even suggesting it

DaveJB · Post by **DaveJB** » 2008-02-07 12:38pm

NecronLord wrote:Who did kick all their asses, even though she was an unarmoured, low rent cybusman. Now just imagine what one of those 80s ones would do to them.

An Earthshock one, I think you mean. The ones in Attack of the Cybermen could be destroyed by a well-placed gunshot, and you could kill the Silver Nemesis ones by throwing gold coins at them!

Yesterday's episode was pretty decent, I thought. They managed to avoid the easy way out by not making Rhys forget about everything, though it'll probably never get mentioned again.

The Guid · Post by **The Guid** » 2008-02-07 09:05pm

Indeed an Earthshock Cyberman could reasonably take on an entire guard of the human race's equivalent of the time, and they seemed to be reasonably competent.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-02-08 02:45am

They were still highly allergic to gold - the Doctor killed one with Adric's star pin ... although he did it by grappling with the Cybernetic monster and gringing the gold into the respirator, as it's supposed to be.

You know, I'm reminded of Tomb of the Cybermen, with the remarkably scientifically accurate x-ray laser in it. Doctor Who needs more x-ray lasers.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-02-08 04:17am

Dartzap wrote:I know I may be imagining this - but is the series...I don't know..improving somewhat? is it possible?

I know Stark is going to hate me forever for even suggesting it

`You mean you can't take less,' said the Hatter: `it's very easy to take more than nothing.'

Dave wrote:An Earthshock one, I think you mean. The ones in Attack of the Cybermen could be destroyed by a well-placed gunshot, and you could kill the Silver Nemesis ones by throwing gold coins at them!

Unless Jack just happens to know about the wars against the cybermen (not terribly unreasonable), who were reduced to 'a race of gold plated hat stands' two thousand years before his native time, I don't see how that would help. The chumps aren't going to somehow discover that the cybermen are allergic to gold. And even then, how much gold do they have hanging around. They're not the Eighth Doctor, they don't seem to have big bags of gold dust just on the off-chance they run into cybermen. So, while they're trying to kill it with gold, what's the cyberman likely to be doing?

Hell, I'm pretty sure a cybermat could dominate the Torchwood shortbus for at least an episode.

DaveJB · Post by **DaveJB** » 2008-02-08 05:13am

NecronLord wrote:Unless Jack just happens to know about the wars against the cybermen (not terribly unreasonable), who were reduced to 'a race of gold plated hat stands' two thousand years before his native time, I don't see how that would help. The chumps aren't going to somehow discover that the cybermen are allergic to gold. And even then, how much gold do they have hanging around. They're not the Eighth Doctor, they don't seem to have big bags of gold dust just on the off-chance they run into cybermen. So, while they're trying to kill it with gold, what's the cyberman likely to be doing?

Hell, I'm pretty sure a cybermat could dominate the Torchwood shortbus for at least an episode.

Well, that's the trouble when you're discussing Torchwood, isn't it? By any logic, even a Nemesis Cyberman should kick the team's asses (they'd probably still be able to deal with an Attack one). If it were an actual Torchwood episode though, Jack would probably just grab some gold-plated cutlery from whatever equivalent of Harrods is in Cardiff, then lob them into the Cyberman's chest, ninja style.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2008-02-09 12:32pm

I don't get why everyone's so shocked about aliens in this episode. This is the same continuity as Doctor Who yes? Where everyone's seen aliens Christmas after Christmas?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-02-09 01:22pm

Not to mention the last President of the US get shot to ash by an 'alien' on the bridge of a UN air-carrier.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-02-09 01:59pm

Meh, people forget those sorts of things. Ooh, look, new X-Factor.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-02-09 02:00pm

NecronLord wrote:Not to mention the last President of the US get shot to ash by an 'alien' on the bridge of a UN air-carrier.

What? That is so awesome!

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-02-09 02:06pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:
NecronLord wrote:Not to mention the last President of the US get shot to ash by an 'alien' on the bridge of a UN air-carrier.
What? That is so awesome!

I take it you haven't seen the three-part finale to season three. The Master mocking POTUS was hilarious, even if the final episode was full of deus ex machina and Doctor arrogance again.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-02-09 03:26pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Meh, people forget those sorts of things. Ooh, look, new X-Factor.

Like they forgot the Kennedy assassination? Or the Lincoln assassination? Only this time the Prime Minister (who mysteriously disappeared moments later, having butchered his own cabinet) was actually on worldwide television saying It's aliens folks. Look at the aliens. Then a flying alien shot the president in the face on worldwide live television, with a gun that blasted him to ashes.

Surely that must be sarcasm?

While everyone should probably be living as normal, the idea of anyone rejecting the idea of aliens in Torchwood is just stupid (not that the stupid aren't everywhere, mind) now. UNIT should be a big public agency too, now.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-02-09 03:33pm

Not sarcasm, sir. I is totally honest.

I mean, the in-universe explanation essentially is "Oh, I didn't really notice/care". There's plenty of times the Doctor has pointed out these things from the ship smacking into Big Ben to the Sycorax being vaped and "snowing" on London and the Christmas Star. The events on Valiant are likely just as obscure now, as will be the ship nearly hitting Buck house.

Humans simply are that dumb in the Whoverse, bar the companions, it seems.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-02-09 04:24pm

Which is a sign of shitty writing, and should be done away with immediately, and replaced with better.

Not care, on the other hand, is fine. And while actually seeing an alien is still likely to be a shock, it would be nice to see some reference made to this shit more often in Torchwood.