PDD: HttE:SE!

[Lord Poe]

I added "Heir To The Empire" to the "Powdered Donut Defense" section of my website. Also, I added two "Darksaber" related arguments as well.

If the above has you wondering, "What the fuck is THAT all about?" check out the "What's New" section here:

http://h4h.com/louis/vsfaq.html

Comments welcome!

[Master of Ossus]

Have you shown this to Icehawk? I confess that I did not check his source, but it is now clear that he was blatantly and intentionally misrepresenting the book in order to further his own ludicrous vendetta.

[Rightous Fist Of Heaven]

I find the claim that even the regular Turbo laser on knight hammer were actually at full POWER laughable.I remember there being a quote in the book where a TL bolt actually hits the forest not any of the structures and destroys a 50x50m area of the forest, now if those shots would have been even nearly maximum intensity blasts, there would have been a big friggin crater as a result.But what is truly interesting is the choice of words that Daala uses, full strength, not power,firepower,intensity nothing but strength.Could full strength possibly mean maximum possible charge on the turbo laser capacitors or whatever feeds the power to the guns to achieve a better rate of fire, dunno but one matter is clear, those blasts were not full power.

Then there is still the damn Nkllon instance, how funny that most Trekkies who try to use it automatically assume that the SW shielding even could block the radiation from Athega,which would explain a lot.

But can we all agree that KJA is a fucking moron ?

[Rightous Fist Of Heaven]

Allso regarding this "ISDs cant stand sunlight" claim, i found a nice page that tell something about blue giants, according to it, a blue giant of the largest type has surface temperature of over 25 000 k, and Daala's ISDs were parked near 7 of those things, yeah ISDs are weak to sunlight indeed

[Master of Ossus]

Allso regarding this "ISDs cant stand sunlight" claim, i found a nice page that tell something about blue giants, according to it, a blue giant of the largest type has surface temperature of over 25 000 k, and Daala's ISDs were parked near 7 of those things, yeah ISDs are weak to sunlight indeed

Wayne has, actually, already addressed this issue on his site.

http://h4h.com/louis/suns.html

[Rightous Fist Of Heaven]

Allso regarding this "ISDs cant stand sunlight" claim, i found a nice page that tell something about blue giants, according to it, a blue giant of the largest type has surface temperature of over 25 000 k, and Daala's ISDs were parked near 7 of those things, yeah ISDs are weak to sunlight indeed

Wayne has, actually, already addressed this issue on his site.

http://h4h.com/louis/suns.html

I know, i just brought up the temperature of the stars.

[Lord Poe]

Have you shown this to Icehawk? I confess that I did not check his source, but it is now clear that he was blatantly and intentionally misrepresenting the book in order to further his own ludicrous vendetta.

I haven't seen Icehawk's stuff. Is he the designated Trekkie to dig up Darksaber for 2003?

[Lord Poe]

Allso regarding this "ISDs cant stand sunlight" claim, i found a nice page that tell something about blue giants, according to it, a blue giant of the largest type has surface temperature of over 25 000 k, and Daala's ISDs were parked near 7 of those things, yeah ISDs are weak to sunlight indeed

Wayne has, actually, already addressed this issue on his site.

http://h4h.com/louis/suns.html

I know, i just brought up the temperature of the stars.

Thanks, RFoH! BTW, Lord Edam believes that seven blue-giant stars are less powerful than Athega was in the "sunlight" category...

[Master of Ossus]

Have you shown this to Icehawk? I confess that I did not check his source, but it is now clear that he was blatantly and intentionally misrepresenting the book in order to further his own ludicrous vendetta.

I haven't seen Icehawk's stuff. Is he the designated Trekkie to dig up Darksaber for 2003?

Yes. You may read his various distortions of the truth or demands for UNGODLY amounts of proof here:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... c&start=25

I've already brought up your website, so their is no reason to mention it again.

Note that Icehawk holds the position that it is impossibly to derive the firepower of an ISD without also knowing how much energy the said ship uses for LIFE SUPPORT.

[Darth Yoshi]

Umm...what exactly does life support have to do with weapons? Aren't they generally two independant systems?

[Lord Poe]

Yes. You may read his various distortions of the truth or demands for UNGODLY amounts of proof here:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... c&start=25

I've already brought up your website, so their is no reason to mention it again.

Note that Icehawk holds the position that it is impossibly to derive the firepower of an ISD without also knowing how much energy the said ship uses for LIFE SUPPORT.

Hehehe. I saw that. I think its also funny you're pointing him to argument #2, which is the one I had with DarkStar!

Oh, BTW, Here's something you may want to point out to him:

Darksaber (Hardcover)

pg.67: "I am siphoning off all power from the turbolaser batteries," she said, "and concentrating our entire first strike on the ion cannon."

[Connor MacLeod]

Ouch. Thats gotta be a nasty ion burst.

I see noone mentioned the Executor in close proximity to an unstable sun and not suffering ill effects.

[Lord Poe]

Ouch. Thats gotta be a nasty ion burst.

I see noone mentioned the Executor in close proximity to an unstable sun and not suffering ill effects.

Ah, its on my page. You already know that!

[Connor MacLeod]

Yep. And the stuff from the HTTE comic as well (which supported your point, I might add)

[Lord Edam]

Thanks, RFoH! BTW, Lord Edam believes that seven blue-giant stars are less powerful than Athega was in the "sunlight" category...

No, Wayne, Lord Edam believes seven blue-giant stars and being further away from them than from Athega means the ISDs encounter less energy. Of course, you'll ignore this like youhave every other time, prefering instead to believe your idiotic "more power at any range" simply because there's 7 stars instead of 1.

[Rightous Fist Of Heaven]

Thanks, RFoH! BTW, Lord Edam believes that seven blue-giant stars are less powerful than Athega was in the "sunlight" category...

No, Wayne, Lord Edam believes seven blue-giant stars and being further away from them than from Athega means the ISDs encounter less energy. Of course, you'll ignore this like youhave every other time, prefering instead to believe your idiotic "more power at any range" simply because there's 7 stars instead of 1.

Uhm, if im not dead wrong the 3 ISDs were near the center of the nebula where the stars were allso, 7 blue giants do emit more energy you know than one yellow star.

[Lord Edam]

Uhm, if im not dead wrong the 3 ISDs were near the center of the nebula where the stars were allso, 7 blue giants do emit more energy you know than one yellow star.

Well, that really depends on the amount of energy the yellow star is actually putting out, doesn't it?

And if we were perfectly honest, we'd admit the total energy is less important than the proportion of the total energy that the ISD is actually getting hit by, wouldn't we?

So simply saying that one example disproves the other because it has more, presumably hotter stars is your classic no math argument, right?

[Slartibartfast]

Uhm, if im not dead wrong the 3 ISDs were near the center of the nebula where the stars were allso, 7 blue giants do emit more energy you know than one yellow star.

Well, that really depends on the amount of energy the yellow star is actually putting out, doesn't it?

Last time I checked, the size and color of the star were indicative of the amount of energy they put out. Maybe astronomy has changed in the last few months?

[Ghost Rider]

Nope...still pretty much the same .

So he does know he just answered his own question by indicating the color...right?

[Rightous Fist Of Heaven]

Uhm, if im not dead wrong the 3 ISDs were near the center of the nebula where the stars were allso, 7 blue giants do emit more energy you know than one yellow star.

Well, that really depends on the amount of energy the yellow star is actually putting out, doesn't it?

And if we were perfectly honest, we'd admit the total energy is less important than the proportion of the total energy that the ISD is actually getting hit by, wouldn't we?

So simply saying that one example disproves the other because it has more, presumably hotter stars is your classic no math argument, right?

So according to your astronomy, size,luminosity,temperature etcetera have nothing to do with the actual energy output of the star?

[Lord Edam]

Well, that really depends on the amount of energy the yellow star is actually putting out, doesn't it?

Last time I checked, the size and color of the star were indicative of the amount of energy they put out. Maybe astronomy has changed in the last few months?

Hasn't changed much at all in this area. The colour and size of the star are indicative of the amount of energy they put out.

So, please tell us how this leads us to conclude 7 blue giants do emit more energy you know than one yellow star. when no information was given regarding the size or luminosity

[Lord Edam]

Nope...still pretty much the same .

So he does know he just answered his own question by indicating the color...right?

to compare the energy they are giving out you also need the size. Colour only tells you the power output per unit area of the surface. An A-class white dwarf would put out over 12 orders of mangitude less power than an A-class giant, yet both could be the same colour.

[Lord Edam]

Well, that really depends on the amount of energy the yellow star is actually putting out, doesn't it?

And if we were perfectly honest, we'd admit the total energy is less important than the proportion of the total energy that the ISD is actually getting hit by, wouldn't we?

So simply saying that one example disproves the other because it has more, presumably hotter stars is your classic no math argument, right?

So according to your astronomy, size,luminosity,temperature etcetera have nothing to do with the actual energy output of the star?

Where do I say that? I comment that the colour (temperature) of a star is less important than the energy it puts out (it's luminosity). Of course, luminosity is a direct product of the colour and size, so in reality what I said was that we need to know more than just the colour of a star before we can decide if a ship near it is getting less energy than a ship near a different coloured star.

[Lord Edam]

And for those who continue to believe colour is more important than the actual energy the stars put out, have a look at this page. Half way down there's a diagram showing luminosity (power) vs colour.

If you believe simply because stars are blue they must put out more energy than yellow stars, tell us which puts out the most energy out of belatrix and polaris, or sirius and capella, or rigel and any of the F/G class dots that are above it (each of those dots represents an observed, characterised star)

[Rightous Fist Of Heaven]

Star Type: O
Colour: Blue
Approximate Surface Temperature: Over 25 000 K
Average mass (the sun = 1) : 60
Average radius (the sun = 1): 15
Average luminosity (the sun = 1): 1,400,000
Main Characteristics: Singly ionized helium lines (H I) either in emission or absorption. Strong UV continuum.
Examples: 10 Lacetra

Then we have the more common blue giant

Star Type: B
Colour: Blue
Approximate Surface Temperature: 11 000 K - 25 000 K
Average mass: 18
Average radius: 7
Average luminosity: 20 000
Main characteristics: Neutral helium lines (H II) in absorption.
Examples: Rigel,Spica

Enough?