Vampire-Werewolf hybrid sexually assaults teen girl

[CaptainChewbacca]

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Unearthly assault alleged

Man, 19, convinced girl, 15, that he was vampire-werewolf hybrid before they had sex.

A Pottsville man convinced a 15-year-old girl he was part werewolf and part vampire before sexually assaulting her, police say.

Kristian Allen Carl, 19, also believed he was a supernatural mixed breed, police say.

"He convinced himself he was a hybrid -- a combination werewolf and vampire," Pottsville police Sgt. James Joos said. "He had convinced the girl he was, too."

To prove to police he was indeed a genuine vampire/werewolf, Carl "showed me his canine teeth," Joos said. "I let him know that all mammals, including humans, have canine teeth."

Joos said Carl also told police he had a "guardian dragon that protected him from evildoers."

Carl was charged with statutory sexual assault after admitting he had sexual intercourse with the girl, who told police he was her boyfriend, on Nov. 14, 2007, according to an affidavit Joos filed with District Judge Charles Moran of Pottsville.

Carl knew the girl's age and was aware he could "get in trouble" for having sex with a girl under age 16, Joos wrote. Carl told police he had met the girl the previous night and the two went to a friend's apartment to spend the night.

Moran on Jan. 29 found sufficient evidence to order Carl to face Schuylkill County Court on the charges. Carl remains free on $25,000 unsecured bail, Joos said.

"He's being held culpable for his actions," Joos said.

Alright, this is the best on-topic news title of the new millennium. I'm claiming the prize now

[Kodiak]

What. The. Fuck. ?

I say kill him. With a silver bullet or a stake in the heart, it doesn't matter.

[Warsie]

I say kill him. With a silver bullet or a stake in the heart, it doesn't matter.

I see what you did there

[Havok]

Geezus. Maybe I just don't remember, but are 15 year old girls really THAT gullible? Not the sex part, I know they can be talked into that, but actually believing that this douche was a Vampire-Werewolf hybrid? I mean, c'mon. Is Pottsville PA a bakwards hick town or something?

[[R_H]]

I wonder if the guy's mentally ill, or just pretending to be crazy. Seriously, vampire-werewolve hybrid, talk about a freak of the un-natural.

[Darksider]

I wonder if the guy's mentally ill, or just pretending to be crazy. Seriously, vampire-werewolve hybrid, talk about a freak of the un-natural.

Maybe he just does it to score points with the goth chicks.

[Elmca]

My wife's family is from that area. Pottsville is a really depressed, coal region town. Every one of her cousins was pregnant and had kids in their teen years, kids that are now being raised by their grandparents.

People in that area seem to have a lot of trouble distinguishing reality from fantasy. Conspiracy theories abound, racism (especially against the "Mexicans") prevails and drug use is rampant.

I've got in-laws who won't speak to me because 1) I teach evolution and 2) I've got a college education, so I've been brainwashed by the lib'rals.

Obviously, not everyone is like that. Sgt. Joos from the story seems like a decent guy. A friend of mine is a manager of a grocery store just outside of town. He's a good guy. My wife grew up there, stayed sane and got the fuck out. But overall, there's a lot of uneducated people there. I'm not surprised that someone really did think he was a wolfman/vampire and that someone else believed him enough to sleep with him.

Of course, there's Yuengling. Perhaps the best shitty beer in the world. Free samples at the end of the brewery tour! LOTS of free samples.

[Darksider]

Ghetto-edit:

Although that has to be the lamest fucking pick-up line ever.

"I'm a vampire-werewolf hybrid. Wanna come see my lair?"

[Havok]

Oh FUCK! Pottsville. I knew that sounded familiar. That is where the NFL team was from the beat the Four Horseman of Notre Dame and won the NFL championship in their first season, but then had it revoked and they were kicked out of the league over some technicality over where they played ND at. The Cardinals claimed the forfeited Championship and have been "cursed" by the Pottsville townies ever since.

Hmmm.... maybe there is something supernatural going on there, because the Cardinals have fucking SUCKED ever since they claimed the Championship and got "cursed".

[Stark]

I love how sometimes people are 'boys' at 19, but when they're doing bad things they're 'men'.

[Flagg]

I love how sometimes people are 'boys' at 19, but when they're doing bad things they're 'men'.

Unless they shoot up a school. Then they're "boys" again.

[Illuminatus Primus]

What. The. Fuck. ?

I say kill him. With a silver bullet or a stake in the heart, it doesn't matter.

15 to 19? The girl was going out to a bar and I'm sorry, given this guy's claims, its not as if he had some obvious unfair maturity/mental acuity advantage (whereby sexual intercourse is unethical) over the typical 15 year old.

[Flagg]

What. The. Fuck. ?

I say kill him. With a silver bullet or a stake in the heart, it doesn't matter.

15 to 19? The girl was going out to a bar and I'm sorry, given this guy's claims, its not as if he had some obvious unfair maturity/mental acuity advantage (whereby sexual intercourse is unethical) over the typical 15 year old.

This is one of the more biased articles I've seen lately, as well. They describe what he did as "sexual assault", yet later it's described as a consenting relationship and the girl called him her boyfriend.

So it's just a statutory rape case between a 19 year old and a 15 year old. Which, while obviously not a good or particularly healthy thing, isn't all that horrible considering the fact that it's just a 4 year age difference. They could actually be going to the same school at this point.

[Sidewinder]

Great. I just know the rapist's lawyer is going to use the insanity defense.

[Flagg]

Great. I just know the rapist's lawyer is going to use the insanity defense.

Given what the guy has said, It should probably hold up. I'd rather see him get counseling than sent to prison, anyway.

[Turin]

My wife's family is from that area. Pottsville is a really depressed, coal region town. Every one of her cousins was pregnant and had kids in their teen years, kids that are now being raised by their grandparents.

People in that area seem to have a lot of trouble distinguishing reality from fantasy. Conspiracy theories abound, racism (especially against the "Mexicans") prevails and drug use is rampant.

I've got in-laws who won't speak to me because 1) I teach evolution and 2) I've got a college education, so I've been brainwashed by the lib'rals.

There's a saying in Philadelphia (and probably other places) that Pennsylvania is: Philadelphia at one end, Pittsburgh at the other, and Kentucky in between. This is a simple demonstration of why. The scary thing (especially for the Canadians in the audience) is just how far north PA is.

[Terralthra]

There's a saying in Philadelphia (and probably other places) that Pennsylvania is: Philadelphia at one end, Pittsburgh at the other, and Kentucky in between. This is a simple demonstration of why. The scary thing (especially for the Canadians in the audience) is just how far north PA is.

Even Pittsburgh isn't exactly a bastion of progressive thought. It's basically a small-town, with commensurate values and prevailing opinions, that just happens to be as big as a city.

[brianeyci]

I don't think the guy is any different than any statutory rapist and certainly doesn't deserve a stake or a bullet.

But I don't think you guys remember what it was like. The girl could have just turned 15, be 14, and the guy could be on the edge of turning 20. You're basically taking someone who just entered high school, a freshman, and sticking her in the grip of a senior. She would be pudding in his hands. Unless she is far more mature than her years, he had no business touching her.

Each year or two years of difference in high school is huge. If he knew the age, then he doesn't deserve a bullet but he does deserve the book slammed in his face. Especially since he threw out a bullshit story to get laid. Sorry, I don't buy insanity -- I find it far more likely he's covering his ass and said that story to get laid.

[Tanasinn]

I can't possibly be the only one who read this and thought of 4chan's /tg/.

[Enigma]

It wouldn't even be newsworthy if it happened here since it would be legal. Since this is illegal in the U.S. then either put him in jail or get him counselling or both.

[Cycloneman]

To prove to police he was indeed a genuine vampire/werewolf, Carl "showed me his canine teeth," Joos said. "I let him know that all mammals, including humans, have canine teeth."

Hah. Wow, how separated from reality do you have to be to think that's good evidence?

Joos said Carl also told police he had a "guardian dragon that protected him from evildoers."

Fuck you, I'm a dragon!

Hahahaha.

Damn it, this isn't the Onion? I guess truth is stranger than fiction.

[Illuminatus Primus]

But I don't think you guys remember what it was like. The girl could have just turned 15, be 14, and the guy could be on the edge of turning 20. You're basically taking someone who just entered high school, a freshman, and sticking her in the grip of a senior. She would be pudding in his hands. Unless she is far more mature than her years, he had no business touching her.

That does not mean it is practicable or reasonable to imprison them over it. I dared hook up with 16 year olds when I was a graduated senior; am I a child molester? (This is legal.) Simply being able to play a chick does not make you an eeevilll rapist. There are fucking retard girls who I meet who guys I know lie and fuck on a regular basis; does the state belong here regulating that? Is the psychological harm so grievous and permanent?

Furthermore, you're also defending the alarmism in the press report by assuming the case where the age disparity and relationship would be at its MOST inappropriate. I am so sick and tired of hearing these "oh poor maiden women must be defended by macho virtuous males like me" tropes. Teenagers are horny. You expect me to believe he exerted ridiculous influence and intellectual overpowering on this chick - despite being a farcically delusional retard - in a single day and her consent is a non-factor whatsoever? Young girls want to have sex too, you know. Did you get laid in High School? Did you talk to girls? Like, are you unaware of their affinity for innuendo and sexuality at that age?

Each year or two years of difference in high school is huge. If he knew the age, then he doesn't deserve a bullet but he does deserve the book slammed in his face.

Oh yeah, I'm sure this virtuous maiden will be permanently damaged by her consenting sexual choices at a biologically sexually mature age and with a guy who is either mentally ill or immature and fucking stupid. Such power manipulation, he might as well have been her father or teacher!

Especially since he threw out a bullshit story to get laid. Sorry, I don't buy insanity -- I find it far more likely he's covering his ass and said that story to get laid.

I am sure the virtuous fifteen-year old maiden was defending her hymen and her oath to Christ and family, until she heard he was a vampire-werewolf hybrid. That just sold it. It couldn't possibly be because they're both stupid kids, they're both horny, and both fucking dumb.

For all the supposed libertinism of this board, I see a lot of sacrosanct, women-as-sexually-vulnerable weaklings whose virtue must be defended at all costs. I don't know whether it is American cultural values, leftover religious shit, or just that a fuckton of you cannot get laid to save your life - such that women and sex are just another abstraction you theorize about but lack any experience or awareness on. No worldly realism and pragmatism. And don't strawman me to say he should not get any punishment or there shouldn't be some social/state regulation of teenage sexuality. Because I never said that. But these hysterics are ridiculous. I mean - really? assuming the worst case scenario as the PREMISE of your argument, and then saying for sure he should be slammed with no qualification? Give me a break.

[brianeyci]

The "did you get laid" in high school is rather tiresome. First of all, teenagers are actually delaying sex in Canada despite lack of religious insanity. Sexual education actually results in delay of sex. No longer does it mean you're a loser if you can't tap some ass when you're a teenager. Second of all, some people try to be social in high school but fail because most of high school are morons. Try asking Mike if he got laid in high school. People like Spin Echo have said once they reach college, they finally find the kind of people they can talk and socialize with -- and that includes women.

Apparently, the age difference is meaningless to you. Well, when a guy tells a bullshit story about being a fucking vampire to get laid, it doesn't matter if there was consent. It was a big fucking lie, worthy of The Game. That guy sounds like a player. Do you know what a player is IP? I loathe players, and it has nothing to do with that they get a lot of sex and everything to do with they tell a lot of lies to get a lot of sex. In retrospect maybe I shouldn't have said "slam the book" because in the insanity that is America, it could mean a sex offender designation rather than juvenile hall or probation. But he sure doesn't deserve to get off free, which is what you seem to want.

[Illuminatus Primus]

The "did you get laid" in high school is rather tiresome. First of all, teenagers are actually delaying sex in Canada despite lack of religious insanity. Sexual education actually results in delay of sex. No longer does it mean you're a loser if you can't tap some ass when you're a teenager. Second of all, some people try to be social in high school but fail because most of high school are morons. Try asking Mike if he got laid in high school. People like Spin Echo have said once they reach college, they finally find the kind of people they can talk and socialize with -- and that includes women.

Okay, almost all of that is apologism for not interacting with people in High School. And intercourse is a pretty absurd false standard; anyone who dated much or talked with girls should know that girls that age are plenty sexually interested in their own right. Furthermore, Mike has gone at length discussing how it is patently unrealistic to act as if teenagers do not have aggressive or intentful sexual urges in their own right. And even if he had not, its an appeal to authority.

Apparently, the age difference is meaningless to you. Well, when a guy tells a bullshit story about being a fucking vampire to get laid, it doesn't matter if there was consent. It was a big fucking lie, worthy of The Game.

Wow, so you found a lay-manual on Amazon for former RPG freaks and street magicians. This proves what about the legal-ethical culpability of 19-15 m/f liasons in general and our werewolf-vampire in general. Also, lies to get laid is not necessarily created equally: there's a big difference between "I love you" and "I am a vampire-werewolf hybrid" for fuck's sake.

That guy sounds like a player. Do you know what a player is IP? I loathe players, and it has nothing to do with that they get a lot of sex and everything to do with they tell a lot of lies to get a lot of sex.

And your moral panic over The Game (I'm sorry, but that anyone is freaking out over that lay manual is just the height of ridiculousness to me) does not qualify to a legal or ethical argument about teenage sexuality, power, and the state's role in regulating the relationships thereof.

In retrospect maybe I shouldn't have said "slam the book" because in the insanity that is America, it could mean a sex offender designation rather than juvenile hall or probation. But he sure doesn't deserve to get off free, which is what you seem to want.

And don't strawman me to say he should not get any punishment or there shouldn't be some social/state regulation of teenage sexuality. Because I never said that. But these hysterics are ridiculous.

You were saying? Someone's backpedaling, and going for "SDN group conformity for teh win!" on sex and experience for women. You quietly dropped my point on the sexism and thinly-veiled moral panic toward women's sexuality here and about how his lie is no credible as some great manipulation of the chick, and how your use of the most extreme case possible in order to justify punishment is dishonest. Regulations must be tested on the grounds of the likely case and the weakest case, not on the best case scenario.

[Metatwaddle]

Apparently, the age difference is meaningless to you. Well, when a guy tells a bullshit story about being a fucking vampire to get laid, it doesn't matter if there was consent. It was a big fucking lie, worthy of The Game. That guy sounds like a player. Do you know what a player is IP?

Wow, it's funny: the more you talk, the more I agree with IP. I actually do think 19-year-olds are a lot more sophisticated than 15-year-olds, and if a guy my age started hitting on my sister (I'm 20 and she's 16), I'd think it was really creepy, and would tell her so, and try to get him to fuck off. But it all goes down the drain when you get the information that the guy was telling her he was a vampire. I cannot begin to fathom why that screams to you, "He's evil and manipulative! Look how the older man is lying to her!" It says, "Obviously, he never mentally got out of high school himself." Have you not considered the possibility that the guy actually believed he was a werewolf/vampire himself? Some teenagers do, and this one actually tried to convince a cop that he was a vampire by pointing to his canine teeth. An intelligent, conniving. sophisticated older guy might try that on a 15-year-old, but not a cop!

He's not smart and manipulative. They're both dumb teenagers.