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[/url]Nice analysis! ...and here I was thinking Shadow Raiders was way too obscure a series!brianeyci wrote:I scaled a battle moon a long time ago.
Excerpt from "Its good to be king"NecronLord wrote:And? You're very close to the 'they'll win because they're the good guys' argument here.
Sorry, no. Puddle Jumpers can be mission killed by crude improvised mortars, and star destroyers can be mission killed / severely damaged by asteroids travelling at speeds that are often subjectively described as 'not very fast.'
Of course, this doesn't help any argument that the Ancients can somehow defeat the Empire unless you can show how the Ancients' warships are superior. I can think of a few arguments to use there, but I'll leave them for you to figure out.
It doesn't matter. The drones are phase shifting. They are able to pass through (some) energy shields and even starship hulls without interacting. It's an unknown if they'll go through Star Wars shields, but I'd say they probably can.Themightytom wrote: Puddle jumpers can be mission killed with a mortar AND they travel at sublight speed, but the drones seem pretty effective, goa'uld have energy shields, but I can't find any sources on how tough the shields are (The first time they came after Earth in the series they repelled two nukes but I've seen the debate and the evidence really does support that the nukes were detonated prematurely.
That makes perfect sense. The Ori, like every other major foe except the Asurans, are un-industrialisedI feel like in terms of advance the ori might be a threat to the ori in terms of weapon and shield strength, they might even have comparable or superior speed (They followed the Odyssey to the Ida galaxy in "unending" which shows they ahve intergalactic speed. I'm not calling the writers of stargate and asking why they had the Ori spend a year building a "Supergate" if they could ahve just flown over here. I'm also not going to ask them how it makes any strategic sense that after finally building the supergate, the Ori only send four ships as a "first wave".
They didn't. They presumably deemed their forces unable to take it.if they were conquering a galaxy they would need more ships if only to get the palce conquered in the next millenium.
The ori were restricted from direct interference by the ancients so we never technically saw the extent of their power,
The ancients seem to be able to discern everything about a person as soon as they are in an area of range (Orlin states in the Fourth Horseman "I knew everything about you from the moment yous tepped into this galaxy") So they could probably have superior intelligence available for strategic purposes, and yet they dont think strategically, they sent four ships, their lackeys carry the same awkward staff-like weapons that were pointed out as rediculously cumbersome on more than one occasion, and more than anything else, they BYPASSED earth deeming it not a threat.
You're assuming that the Ancients let a hostile power play about in their back yard.*Humans from earth DISCOVERED them
*Humans from earth accessed Ancient technology to do it
*They could have read from daniel's mind that humans had found antlantis and had recently unseated a galactic superpower through guerilla tactics
*They should also ahve read from Daniel that the humans had an alliance with the asgard, one of the four great races, and were on good terms with the Nox (Not that they ever contributed anything)
Yeah. If they sent a TIE fighter or ten, the Ori could win...Earth should have been first on the block.
So the ori would avhe come in and made a mess but would have been smashed by the empire fairly quickly. if the empire travelled to the ori galaxy, they might have been repelled depending on what they came with,
In pure energy terms, the Ori ships' weapons aren't that great. Look at the crater in Line in the Sand and ask yourself how well it stacks up to this.but given some planning the empire could return and conquer, if nothing else, by systematically BDZing the worlds of the ori supporters and removing the power base from which the ori draw strength.
It was never designed to be serious science fiction. It's a hot blood style mecha series, not a novel written by someone like Clarke or even Reynolds/Banks. It's built entirely upon the strength of its characters and their determination to succeed. I mean, they took the 'hard work, guts and determination' from Gunbuster and made it an actual physical force. And like Gunbuster, it will make you feel good, because the central premise of hard work, guts and determination winning out is totally awesome.Gullible Jones wrote:OMG... Why oh why did I have to read the Wikipedia entry for that series? My head hurts now. That's Jodoverse-bad science, there.
It's a informal term given to the collection of vaguely related universes in which Alexandro Jodorowsky sets some of his comics in. There are basically three flavours:Axiomatic wrote:However, I am intrigued by this "Jodoverse" you speak of. Please, tell me more.
Gullible Jones wrote:It features nanometer-scale planet-killing bombs, droves of which can be implanted in people's bodies.
It doesn't really, because apart from things like the Metabarons and the 3U bomb, there's really not a lot that compares in scale to the Ring. Planets get destroyed fairly frequently, and there's a lot of weird sounding hyperbole, but it's not as uniformly overwelming as the Xeelee are. After all, everyone was stunned and amazed by Steelhead's Golden Flower, which really wasn't particularly awesome except in artistry.It makes the entire Xeeleeverse look like a paramecium.
You're actually just focussing on stuff which is unfair. You make it sound like it was written specifically to be powerful, which it wasn't. I don't think he's a particularly good writer, but Jodo's stories are actually about the people in them, not the planet destroying. Admittedly The Saga of the Metabarons does most often turn towards killing shit, but it is supposed to be a saga about vaguely mythological heroes, and it's still more about their weirdly tragic lives.On second thought, I'm probably making it sound good, so instead of saying anything more about it, I'm just going to show you what its creator would have done with Dune.
Not only that, but those weren't really galaxies in any sense. Not only were they solid disks you could stand on or throw, but if you scale them off the Anti-Spiral homeworld in the crown of the mech, even the largest one isn't even close to one AU across.Manus Celer Dei wrote:In regards to Gurren Lagann, it's important to note that the final fight with the galaxy-sized robots is stated to occur within the "Super Spiral Space", which appears to be some sort of pocket universe where you can squish two galaxies together to make a giant laser beam. I doubt the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and the mech used by the Anti-Spiral could've existed in the regular universe.
