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AP: Creationists seek foothold in Europe

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Creationists seek foothold in Europe
LONDON - After the Sunday service in Westminster Chapel, where worshippers were exhorted to wage "the culture war" in the World War II spirit of Sir Winston Churchill, cabbie James McLean delivered his verdict on Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

"Evolution is a lie, and it's being taught in schools as fact, and it's leading our kids in the wrong direction," said McLean, chatting outside the chapel. "But now people like Ken Ham are tearing evolution to pieces."

Ken Ham is the founder of Answers in Genesis, a Kentucky-based organization that is part of an ambitious effort to bring creationist theory to Britain and the rest of Europe. McLean is one of a growing number of evangelicals embracing that message — that the true history of the Earth is told in the Bible, not Darwin's "The Origin of Species."

Europeans have long viewed the conflict between evolutionists and creationists as primarily an American phenomenon, but it has recently jumped the Atlantic Ocean with skirmishes in Italy, Germany, Poland and, notably, Britain, where Darwin was born and where he published his 1859 classic.

Darwin's defenders are fighting back. In October, the 47-nation Council of Europe, a human rights watchdog, condemned all attempts to bring creationism into Europe's schools. Bible-based theories and "religious dogma" threaten to undercut sound educational practices, it charged.

Schools are increasingly a focal point in this battle for hearts and minds. A British branch of Answers in Genesis, which shares a Web site with its American counterpart, has managed to introduce its creationist point of view into science classes at a number of state-supported schools in Britain, said Monty White, the group's chief executive.

"We do go into the schools about 10 to 20 times a year and we do get the students to question what they're being taught about evolution," said White, who founded the British branch seven years ago. "And we leave them a box of books for the library."

Creationism is still a marginal issue here compared with its impact on cultural and political debate in the United States. But the budding fervor is part of a growing embrace of evangelical worship throughout much of Europe. Evangelicals say their ranks are swelling as attendance at traditional churches declines because of revulsion with the hedonism and materialism of modern society.

"People are looking for spirituality," White said in an interview at his office in Leicester, 90 miles north of London. "I think they are fed up with not finding true happiness. They find having a bigger car doesn't make them happy. They get drunk and the next morning they have a hangover. They take drugs but the drugs wear off. But what they find with Christianity is lasting."

Other British organizations have joined the crusade. A group called Truth in Science has sent thousands of unsolicited DVDs to every high school in Britain arguing that mankind is the result of "intelligent design," not Darwinian evolution.

In addition, the AH Trust, a charity, has announced plans to raise money for construction of a Christian theme park in northwest England with a 5,000-seat television studio that would be used for the production of Christian-oriented films. And several TV stations are devoted full-time to Christian themes.

All this activity has lifted spirits at the Westminster Chapel, a 165-year-old evangelical church that is not affiliated with nearby Westminster Abbey, where Darwin is buried.

In the chapel, Rev. Greg Haslam tells the 150 believers that they are in a conflict with secularism that can only be won if they heed Churchill's exhortation and never, ever give up.

"The first thing you have to do is realize we are in a war, and identify the enemy, and learn how to defeat the enemy," he said.

There is a sense inside the chapel that Christian evangelicals are successfully resisting a trend toward a completely secular Britain.

"People have walked away from God; it's not fashionable," said congregant Chris Mullins, a civil servant. "But the evangelical church does seem to be growing and I'm very encouraged by that. In what is a very secular society, there are people returning to God."

School curricula generally hold that Darwin's theory has been backed up by so many scientific discoveries that it can now be regarded as fact. But Mullins believes creationism also deserves a hearing in the classroom.

"Looking at the evidence, creationism at the least seems a theory worthy of examination," he said. "Personally I think it is true and I think the truth will win out eventually. It's a question of how long it takes."

Terry Sanderson, president of Britain's National Secular Society, a prominent group founded in 1866 to limit the influence of religious leaders, fears the groups advocating a literal interpretation of the Bible are making headway.

"Creationism is creeping into the schools," he said. "There is a constant pressure to get these ideas into the schools."

The trend goes beyond evangelical Christianity. Sanderson said the British government is taking over funding of about 100 Islamic schools even though they teach the Quranic version of creationism. He said the government fear imposing evolution theory on the curriculum lest it be branded as anti-Islamic.

The Council of Europe spoke up last fall after Harun Yahya, a prominent Muslim creationist in Turkey, tried to place his lavishly produced 600-page book, "The Atlas of Creation," in public schools in France, Switzerland, Belgium and Spain.

"These trends are very dangerous," said Anne Brasseur, author of the Council of Europe report, in an interview.

Brasseur said recent skirmishes in Italy and Germany illustrate the creationists' tactics. She said Italian schools were ordered to stop teaching evolution when Silvio Berlusconi was prime minister, although the edict seems to have had little impact in practice. In Germany, she said, a state education minister briefly allowed creationism to be taught in biology class.

The rupture between theology and evolution in Europe is relatively recent. For many years people who held evangelical views also endorsed mainstream scientific theory, said Simon Barrow, co-director of Ekklesia, a British-based, Christian-oriented research group. He said the split was imported from the United States in the last decade.

"There is a lot of American influence, and there are a lot of moral and political and financial resources flowing from the United States to here," he said. "Now you have more extreme religious groups trying to get a foothold."

In some cases, the schools have become the battlegrounds. Richard Dawkins, the Oxford university biologist and author of last year's international best-seller "The God Delusion, "frequently lectures students about the marvels of evolution only to find that the students' views have already been shaped by the creationist lobby.

"I think it's so sad that children should be fobbed off with these second-rate myths," he said.

"The theory of evolution is one of the most powerful pieces of scientific thinking ever produced and the evidence for it is overwhelming. I think creationism is pernicious because if you don't know much it sounds kind of plausible and it's easy to come into schools and subvert children."

White, the director of the British Answers in Genesis, is well aware that the group's school program is contentious. The group has removed information about it from its Web site to avoid antagonizing people.

The group operates a warehouse with $150,000 worth of DVDs, books and comics promoting creationism, but he says he only sends speakers and materials into schools that invite Answers in Genesis to make a presentation.

White, 63, said he was raised as an atheist, and after earning a doctorate in chemistry, embraced evangelical Christianity in 1964.

He says that when he is asked to speak to science classes, he challenges the accuracy of radioactive dating which shows the world to be thousands of millions of years old and says that the Bible is a more accurate description of how mankind began. He personally believes the Earth is between 6,000 and 12,000 years old.

"Usually I find the discussion goes on science, science, and science and then when the lesson is finished one or two students say, 'Can we talk about other things?' and I sit down with them and usually they want to talk about Christianity," he said. "They want to know, why do you believe in God? Why do you believe in the Bible? How can you be sure it's the word of God?"

Dawkins feels the effect. He said he is discouraged when he visits schools and gets questions from students who have obviously been influenced by material from Answers in Genesis. "I continually get the same rather stupid points straight from their pamphlets," he said.

White is getting ready for a visit by Ken Ham, who will preach at Westminster Chapel this spring. Meanwhile he is pleased that small groups of creation science advocates now meet regularly in Oxford, Edinburgh, Northampton and other British cities.

"The creation movement is certainly growing," he said. "There are more groups than there were five years ago. There are more people like me going out speaking about it, and there's more interest. You have these little groups forming all over the place."
I thought it would be more appropriate to post this article in SLAM than in N&P.

It's saddening to see this happen now in Europe [especially that the British government is allowing this kind of bullshit (whether evangelical Christian or Quranic) into its schools] but at least there's some kind of response from watchdogs like the Council of Europe.
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Damn, I never expected something like this. They are bang on when they say that it was comforting to think of creationism as an American problem, and now this happens? I wonder if it is a good or a bad thing that YECs are leading this assault, seeing as their creationism is much more easily debunked that the ID crowd.
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If there is one thing fundy morons are good at, its multiplying. Either biologically or through crap like this.
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I'd be interesting to see if there will be a clash between christian creationists and muslim creationists. In europe, or at least here in Belgium, creationism is mainly being pushed by muslims
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"We hate each other's guts, but we're united in the common hatred of the great satan's lie of evolution!". That's what's gonna happen. There are places which sell muslim and christian cretinist books side by side, IIRC, so their inter-religious antipathy will not hamper advancing a common cause against the godless heathens.
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Oh god...I fear that religous fundie will spread throughout the world.

Governments needs to put a stop to Fundies from having a chance to spread their beliefs.

There should be some laws to prevent people from teaching creationism as science. We don't need a new dark age.
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Stas Bush wrote:"We hate each other's guts, but we're united in the common hatred of the great satan's lie of evolution!". That's what's gonna happen. There are places which sell muslim and christian cretinist books side by side, IIRC, so their inter-religious antipathy will not hamper advancing a common cause against the godless heathens.
There's some muslim dude who writes and publishes a full-color, inch-thick book about why evolution is wrong. He sends it free to university profs; I've known several who have copies. From what I've seen, it's as bad as any AIG or ICR publication. I wouldn't be surprised at all if fundamentalist Islam and Christianity united aagainst scientific evolution.
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ray245 wrote:Oh god...I fear that religous fundie will spread throughout the world.

Governments needs to put a stop to Fundies from having a chance to spread their beliefs.

There should be some laws to prevent people from teaching creationism as science. We don't need a new dark age.
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PainRack wrote:
ray245 wrote:Oh god...I fear that religous fundie will spread throughout the world.

Governments needs to put a stop to Fundies from having a chance to spread their beliefs.

There should be some laws to prevent people from teaching creationism as science. We don't need a new dark age.
Freedom of speech. You don't protect accuracy via restricting speech, you protect accuracy by education.
The problem is, Fundies will continue to protest and arguing the evolution is a religion instead of science.
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Surlethe wrote:
Stas Bush wrote:"We hate each other's guts, but we're united in the common hatred of the great satan's lie of evolution!". That's what's gonna happen. There are places which sell muslim and christian cretinist books side by side, IIRC, so their inter-religious antipathy will not hamper advancing a common cause against the godless heathens.
There's some muslim dude who writes and publishes a full-color, inch-thick book about why evolution is wrong. He sends it free to university profs; I've known several who have copies. From what I've seen, it's as bad as any AIG or ICR publication. I wouldn't be surprised at all if fundamentalist Islam and Christianity united aagainst scientific evolution.
You're probably thinking of Harun Yahya. It's not one guy, but an organisation pretty much pretending they are one guy for some reason. Anyway, for the moment, I only envisage these sorts of things getting lamer in the UK while faith schools are so furiously wanked over by the government.

Faith Schools petition and government response:

14 February 2008

We received a petition asking:

"We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Abolish all faith schools and prohibit the teaching of creationism and other religious mythology in all UK schools."

Details of Petition:

"Faith schools remove the rights of children to choose their own religious, philosophical and ethical beliefs. They also sanction ethnic segregation and create tension and divisiveness within society. Schools should be places where children are given a free education, not centres for indoctrination. Creationism and other religious myths should not be taught as fact regardless of the funding status of a school. Abolishing faith schools will provide children with more freedom of choice and help to promote a fully multi-cultural, peaceful society."
The Government remains committed to a diverse range of schools for parents to choose from, including schools with a religious character or "faith schools" as they are commonly known.

Religious Education (RE) in all schools, including faith schools, is aimed at developing pupils' knowledge, understanding and awareness of the major religions represented in the country. It encourages respect for those holding different beliefs and helps promote pupils' moral, cultural and mental development. In partnership with national faith and belief organisations we have introduced a national framework for RE.

In February 2006, the faith communities affirmed their support for the framework in a joint statement making it clear that all children should be given the opportunity to receive inclusive religious education, and that they are committed to making sure the framework is used in the development of religious education in all their schools and colleges.

The Churches have a long history of providing education in this country and have confirmed their commitment to community cohesion. Faith schools have an excellent record in providing high-quality education and serving disadvantaged communities and are some of the most ethnically and socially diverse in the country. Many parents who are not members of a particular faith value the structured environment provided by schools with a religious character.
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The Churches have a long history of providing education in this country and have confirmed their commitment to community cohesion. Faith schools have an excellent record
Insanity, condensed for your viewing convenience. :roll: Can't believe that. "The Churches have a long history of providing education"? The bigoted, holier-than-thou, or even "slaughter the heathen" kind of education the religious pits called "churches" provided for many centuries and even now? Ugh.
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