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McCain urges Obama to use Public Financing

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Yahoo AP News wrote: McCain: Obama should take public funding

By LIBBY QUAIDSat Feb 16, 6:16 AM ET

Republican Sen. John McCain admonished Democratic Sen. Barack Obama for hedging on his promise to accept public funding if he wins his party's nomination or use his prolific fundraising operation.

"I made the commitment to the American people that if I were the nominee of my party, I would accept public financing," the likely GOP presidential nominee said Friday in Oshkosh, Wis. "I expect Senator Obama to keep his word to the American people as well. This is all about a commitment that we made to the American people.

"I am going to keep my commitment," he said. "The American people have every reason to expect him to keep his commitment."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton on Thursday called public financing "an option that we wanted on the table," but said "there is no pledge" to take the money and the spending limitations that come with it.

Obama told reporters on Friday that it would be "presumptuous of me to say now that I'm locking myself into something when I don't even know if the other side is going to agree to it."

McCain said that if Obama becomes the nominee and decides against taking public money, he might do the same.

"If Senator Obama goes back on his commitment to the American people, then obviously we'd have to rethink our position," McCain said. "Our whole agreement was that we would take public financing if he made that commitment as well. And he signed a piece of paper, I'm told, that made that commitment."

Early in the race, Obama asked the Federal Election Commission whether he could raise general election money during 2007 but return it if he chose to accept the public funds.

Also, in response to a questionnaire in November from the Midwest Democracy Network, a group of nonpartisan government oversight groups, Obama said: "Senator John McCain has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

McCain earlier this week turned down government matching funds for the primary to free him to spend more money as he prepares for a general election contest.

Last summer, McCain had asked to participate in the public system when his campaign, his fundraising and his poll numbers hit a low point that threatened to unravel his candidacy.

Though the FEC declared him eligible to receive $5.8 million in December, the money would not have become available until next month. By accepting the money, moreover, McCain would have been required to limit his spending for the primary to about $54 million — an amount the campaign was close to reaching now.

By not taking the money, McCain is free to raise more and to promote his presidential candidacy until the Republican nominating convention in September.

McCain would be the obvious beneficiary if he and Obama take the federal money for the general election because they would have to return money already collected. Obama has raised $6.1 million for the general, nearly three times as much as McCain's $2.2 million.

If the candidates reject public funds it would be historic rejection of the public financing system. No major party candidate rejected public funds for the general election since the system was put in place in the 1970s after the Watergate scandal.

Candidates who accept public funding are eligible for about $85 million, which is paid for by a $3 checkoff on IRS tax return forms.

McCain, who has all but sealed the GOP nomination, has focused much of his criticism on his Democratic rivals — Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. As Obama has gained the momentum, he has drawn a greater proportion of McCain's wrath.

Earlier this week, McCain suggested Obama has been lacking in providing policy details. "I've not observed every speech he's given, obviously, but they are singularly lacking in specifics," McCain said.

Campaigning in LaCrosse, Wis., McCain said he would propose a balanced budget in his first term if he is elected president — but not necessarily in his first year.

"I've got to give you some straight talk: I doubt, given the deficits we're running, that I can propose a balanced budget in the first year," McCain told a town hall meeting. "But that's my goal. It has to be our goal, because we're mortgaging these young people's future."

McCain said he would propose a balanced budget by the end of his first term if elected.
From the first line, fuck McCain. If Obama changed his mind and now wants to use the massive donations that people are willingly give to him rather than tax payer's dollars that would come from people not necessarily supporting him then that's fucking awesome.

FFS, if each candidate is eligible for $85 million then it's even more deplorable.
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McCain:*while taking money from corporations and private interest groups* We should all use Public Funding!

Obama should say something about how McCain obviously cannot be trusted on his word.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:McCain:*while taking money from corporations and private interest groups* We should all use Public Funding!

Obama should say something about how McCain obviously cannot be trusted on his word.
I've been thinking about this for about a week, and McCain really has something he can bludgeon Obama with. If he accept McCain's terms, then one of Obama's greatest strengths goes out the window. If he decides not to then it seems that Obama is going back on his word and McCain, who is a man of honor (war hero, after all :roll: ), will take the moral high ground.

How can Obama respond? By taking the high ground back, and if I read the article correctly, he may have some ammunition. He could say something like this...
Early on in this campaign, I considered long and hard about accepting public funding. I thought it would be the best way to ensure that the will of the people was represented fairly, by receiving funds collected from all Americans regardless of background or party affiliation.

But then, during the course of this campaign, an amazing thing happened. Hundreds of thousands of hard-working Americans, from across the lines of gender, race, faith, party affiliation, and every other line that divides us, of their on volition, donated generously to my campaign. Struggling Americans, who often struggled to find money to put food on the table,or to pay their bills, parted with their hard-earned money. In $100, $50, $25 increments. Sometimes as little as $2 and a note of scripture. And they donated not because they were compelled to by financing law, but because they genuinely believe that I can bring this country together, and put an end to the partisan bickering that has divided us for so long.

In light of that, considering accepting public financing, funds compelled from the tax dollars of hard-working Americans who may not even wish to be involved in the political process, leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Just as I don't support making people buy health care that they can't afford because they were mandated to, I don't support making people provide campaign funds to candidates that they may not even support. I would feel uncomfortable using funds forced from a McCain supporter, just as Sen. McCain would feel uncomfortable using funds forced from an Obama supporter.

However, I am a man of my word. If Sen. McCain wishes to accept public financing, then of course I will agree. It simply doesn't sit well with me to use campaign funds from Americans who would rather support the candidate of their choice, and I think that Sen. McCain, a true American hero and a man of the people, would feel the same way.
A bit long winded, and would require some political jujitsu, but you get the idea. Basically just toss the ball back in McCain's court. If he wishes to use funds compelled from hard working Americans, then Obama would have no choice to accept. This way Obama takes back the high ground, in my opinion. And I know that public financing is a good deal more complicated then I just explained. But all Americans will take from this is "My money is gonna be used to support the other guy? Fuck that shit!" It's a bit dishonest, but it's politics.
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If I understand Sir Nitram's post in this forum correctly, he could always point out that McCain is being a dishonest little douchebag.

Or, rather, even more of one.
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People are not compelled to pay the $3 for the public financing fund. They can put a check mark on it in which if they do, they are supporting the political process.

I would rather Obama say he refuses to go the public financing route because it would take taxpayer's money that he doesn't need.
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My mistake then. My main point was to try to force the debate onto grounds that would favor Obama. By forcing this issue, McCain would look like he's standing up for political integrity by urging Obama to take the same pledge, or look like a man of honor if Obama refuses. In either case McCain comes out smelling like roses.

I may be overreacting, and if that's true I apologize, but it just looks like a potential weakness that could resonate with voters if exploited the right way.
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Frankly, the idea that someone made a promise a year ago in different circumstances should be upheld to it now is ludicrous. Obama is riding in the dough right now. He doesn't need public financing and that's what he should point out. "My supporters have done me well and I do not need to take public financing. That would be taking money from people who don't necessarily support me and I'm sure it would leave a sour taste in their mouths if I do."

It's just McCain crying like a bitch that he is because he doesn't have the fund raising machine that Obama has.
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Soontir C'boath wrote:Frankly, the idea that someone made a promise a year ago in different circumstances should be upheld to it now is ludicrous. Obama is riding in the dough right now. He doesn't need public financing and that's what he should point out. "My supporters have done me well and I do not need to take public financing. That would be taking money from people who don't necessarily support me and I'm sure it would leave a sour taste in their mouths if I do."

It's just McCain crying like a bitch that he is because he doesn't have the fund raising machine that Obama has.
I agree completely, especially the part about McCain crying like a little bitch, and Obama should say something to the affect of what you said. But I don't think the media would spin it that way. They'll see it as "Obama breaks his word", which is complete and utter bullshit as he never pledged anything of the sort afaik, written or otherwise. There's not a lot of media attention on this at the moment, but that can change.
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