What if the U.S. institutionalized the Ten Commandments?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-20 01:15am

The liberal arts- history, literature, etc. - are an important part of our society and culture!

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-01-20 01:17am

Durandal wrote:
It tells me that that was how the date was written back then. If the Constitution was written today, it would be "2003 CE".

Exactly.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-01-20 01:18am

HemlockGrey wrote:The liberal arts- history, literature, etc. - are an important part of our society and culture!

They used to be, until Marxism and Postmodernism - two sides of the same coin - gutted them.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-20 01:22am

They used to be, until Marxism and Postmodernism - two sides of the same coin - gutted them.

You'd think so. But the increasing trend toward neo-modernism in the postwar world have seen significant declines in the touted ideals of the intellectual elite, leading to a decidingly unexpected rise in the potent influx of conservative libertarian ideals among the socialistly inclined working classes.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-01-20 01:22am

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:The liberal arts- history, literature, etc. - are an important part of our society and culture!
They used to be, until Marxism and Postmodernism - two sides of the same coin - gutted them.

Yes, hence the fucktards.

It pisses me off. I can't even take a fucking archaeology elective without hearing crap about how rich white males sabotaged archaeology in the 19th century to use it for their own imperialistic bourgeois purposes. No, seriously.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-20 01:32am

Durran Korr wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:
If written by scholars. Unfortunately, some LibArts major would probably grab it, not understand the meaning of CE, and slap AD on it.
There's nothing wrong with the liberal arts!
Nothing inherently wrong with them. But I think it's fair to say that a Liberal Arts student at any given University is more likely to be a fucktard than say a business or engineering major.

Hence why my third degree will likely be economics or engineering (I'll have plenty of time in the military to study). I would say second, but my M.Div will have to be my second so I can get a job. BA in religion doesn't get jack for employment.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-01-20 01:35am

The Dark wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote: There's nothing wrong with the liberal arts!
Nothing inherently wrong with them. But I think it's fair to say that a Liberal Arts student at any given University is more likely to be a fucktard than say a business or engineering major.
Hence why my third degree will likely be economics or engineering (I'll have plenty of time in the military to study). I would say second, but my M.Div will have to be my second so I can get a job. BA in religion doesn't get jack for employment.

Yeah, BA Religion (unless you're going to enter the seminary or something) ranks up there were Music in degree worthlessness.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-20 01:41am

Durran Korr wrote:
The Dark wrote:Hence why my third degree will likely be economics or engineering (I'll have plenty of time in the military to study). I would say second, but my M.Div will have to be my second so I can get a job. BA in religion doesn't get jack for employment.
Yeah, BA Religion (unless you're going to enter the seminary or something) ranks up there were Music in degree worthlessness.

You're telling me. I was about to change my major, then realized I have 4 classes left in the major (need about 8 overall), and my scholarships won't last long enough for me to change majors. I may declare a double major and stay an extra year, though.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-01-20 01:44am

The Dark wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:
The Dark wrote:Hence why my third degree will likely be economics or engineering (I'll have plenty of time in the military to study). I would say second, but my M.Div will have to be my second so I can get a job. BA in religion doesn't get jack for employment.
Yeah, BA Religion (unless you're going to enter the seminary or something) ranks up there were Music in degree worthlessness.
You're telling me. I was about to change my major, then realized I have 4 classes left in the major (need about 8 overall), and my scholarships won't last long enough for me to change majors. I may declare a double major and stay an extra year, though.

That might be a wise move; might as well grab a degree with some actual market value while you're there.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-20 01:46am

HemlockGrey wrote:The liberal arts- history, literature, etc. - are an important part of our society and culture!

Yes, but all of that artsy-fartsy "pen is mightier than the sword" crap is just talk.

When push comes to shove, most people in their right minds (particularly after given time to contemplate the ramifications) would rather lose all the world's poetry than running water, never mind refridgeration, telephones, TV, or the internal combustion engine. We can only afford the luxury of elevating the importance of the liberal arts when the infrastructure of our society has been built up to the point that we don't need to worry about the necessities: hygiene, food, shelter, transportation of people and goods, etc.

But make no mistake: the liberal arts are a luxury. We can pretend that they are more important than they are because we take the truly important things for granted. In societies where people are starving and dying of malnutrition and disease, I don't think they wish they had more literature.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-20 02:03am

Darth Wong wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:The liberal arts- history, literature, etc. - are an important part of our society and culture!
Yes, but all of that artsy-fartsy "pen is mightier than the sword" crap is just talk.

When push comes to shove, most people in their right minds (particularly after given time to contemplate the ramifications) would rather lose all the world's poetry than running water, never mind refridgeration, telephones, TV, or the internal combustion engine. We can only afford the luxury of elevating the importance of the liberal arts when the infrastructure of our society has been built up to the point that we don't need to worry about the necessities: hygiene, food, shelter, transportation of people and goods, etc.

But make no mistake: the liberal arts are a luxury. We can pretend that they are more important than they are because we take the truly important things for granted. In societies where people are starving and dying of malnutrition and disease, I don't think they wish they had more literature.

Well...I'd be willing to sacrifice telephones or TV before poetry, but I agree with the general gist of your post. Survival comes before anything else in my book. The liberal arts can be a focus of study only within a society that has an excess of resources and workers.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-20 03:36am

Falcon wrote:You're close, but you still arn't quite there. An elected official can use religion to guide his vote so long as he isn't voting to pass a bill that regards religion. Religion isn't something you shut off like a switch. If you elect a religious man to office, his decisions are going to be based on his convictions, some of those convictions will be based in his faith. There is nothing wrong about that at all.

Really? So when prostitution is illegalized because a bunch of people voted based on their faith, it isn't respecting respecting an establishment of religion, and there's nothing wrong with it? You're a fucking idiot.

As long as the teacher doesn't teach it to his students its allowed. The government has nothing to do with that picture being there or not, just the teacher does.

When a public school teacher goes to work, he represents the government, whether you like it or not. When congressmen step into the House of Representatives, they are representing the government. This is intuitively obvious, since we're a democratic republic.

No they don't, the prayer isn't passing a law, official capicity is referring to government policy\law, not the choice conduct of public officials. You clearly have yet to grasp the arguement here.

The fact that it's a moronic argument doesn't mean that I can't grasp it; it just means that it's a stupid argument. The government is not simply a body that passes laws. It speaks to the people through representatives. How can you accurately represent a religiously neutral government if you yourself are not religiously neutral when you represent it?

I've always said that religion in a official capicty is bad, you're crazy if you think otherwise. This is as plain as it gets, you are wrong, fundamentally wrong on all counts, Constitutional, technical, etc... Further debate is pointless since you cannot understand the truth or descern reality from your own little dream world. You are going to be sorely disappointed in life because no sane rational person is going to give you the time of day.

Again, you're clinging to a definition of "official capacity," which doesn't include opening sessions of congress, holding classroom sessions or speaking to the public. Resting your entire case on that dumbshit definition isn't indicative of good reasoning faculties.

Christianity isn't 'intolerent' of people, just other religions. Then it isn't violently intolerent, it just recognizes other religions as false and to be pitied. Once again you display a staggaring ignorence of the real world and the issues that you so loudly and profanely bellow about.

Red herring nitpick. Christianity is intolerant, period. If Christian beliefs are allowed to influence the lawmaking process, the result will be intolerant laws.

Last time I checked many people, including blacks, are Christians and supporters of civil rights. Once again you display an unfathomable inability to comprehend the entire situation, instead focusing in, with the narrow minded focus of a drone, on whatever you think bolsters your position. yes there are Christians who voted against Civil Rights, I recognize this and shake my head at it, but I also realize, unlike you, that many other Christians were on the right side of Civil Rights.

Totally irrelevant. The Christian holy book demonizes civil rights, and Christians, whether they know it or not, are disregarding their holy book by supporting civil rights. Christian beliefs had to be case aside in order for civil rights to prevail.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-01-20 07:57pm

The Ten commandments belong in people's hearts.
If they're there, they don't need to paste them anywhere else.
The Ten commandments are moral laws, not legal ones. I dont care if they aren't officially law.

(BTW, how many of you were expecting a Christian to respond this way?)

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2003-01-20 08:15pm

Setzer wrote:The Ten commandments belong in people's hearts.
If they're there, they don't need to paste them anywhere else.
The Ten commandments are moral laws, not legal ones. I dont care if they aren't officially law.

(BTW, how many of you were expecting a Christian to respond this way?)

I would, I know quite a few Christians that are... moderate (so to speak). I think that line of reasoning is more usual in here, on Europe.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-20 08:19pm

Setzer wrote:The Ten commandments belong in people's hearts.
If they're there, they don't need to paste them anywhere else.
The Ten commandments are moral laws, not legal ones. I dont care if they aren't officially law.

(BTW, how many of you were expecting a Christian to respond this way?)

*Applause* Someone who understands the idea of theology. Very good. My professor would approve whole-heartedly, as do I. About time common sense and Christianity met.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-01-20 08:47pm

To say that liberal arts is a luxury is equivalent to saying that theoretical physics is a luxury, that economics is a luxury, that psychology is, that sociology is, that everything other than the applied sciences is a luxury. A liberal arts education should (in theory) teach you a respectable amount of all the primary fields of study, from literature to astrophysics to evolutionary biology.

Just look at what is taught in all liberal arts colleges, pretty much everything other than buisiness and engineering.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-20 08:50pm

NapoleonGH wrote:Just look at what is taught in all liberal arts colleges, pretty much everything other than buisiness and engineering.

Actually, we have business. Our only Master's program is an MBA. Engineering we don't have, but we're a tiny school (1200 residents, 600 non-residents including night school and Masters).

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-20 08:52pm

NapoleonGH wrote:To say that liberal arts is a luxury is equivalent to saying that theoretical physics is a luxury, that economics is a luxury, that psychology is, that sociology is, that everything other than the applied sciences is a luxury.

Bullshit. I have already pointed out that our very lives are dependent upon works of engineering and discoveries of science. Things like running water, refridgeration, telephones, and transportation technology have revolutionized our lives in ways that no play or poem or song ever has or ever will. The liberal arts are a luxury.

A liberal arts education should (in theory) teach you a respectable amount of all the primary fields of study, from literature to astrophysics to evolutionary biology.

You're pretty funny. Astrophysics taught as but one little piece of a smattering of "all the primary fields of study"? In other words, just enough superficial knowledge of many fields to be useless at all of them. Not only that, but I never run into any of these mythical all-subjects liberal arts students you describe anyway.

Just look at what is taught in all liberal arts colleges, pretty much everything other than buisiness and engineering.

If a liberal-arts college diversifies by having some science profs and science courses in its curriculum, good for them. How does that change the fact that liberal-arts itself is a luxury?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-20 08:56pm

Liberal Arts not a luxury?!

You do understand at the heart of it all...Liberal arts is nothing more than glorified leisure time.

Science actually advances the whole thought of hunting and gathering so that we can make time for such activities...I mean to say it's on the same ground is to say Cavemen should said fuck it with fire and come up with language first because they are on the same scale of things.

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2003-01-21 07:38am

As someone who is a computer science major in his last semster in a Liberal Arts college, I can tell you from experience that Lib Arts, Language and Psych majors are all a bunch of stuck up, know it all, ignorant liberals (an intelligent liberal I don't mind, ignorant ones can go jump off a cliff). These folks have a bad habbit of spamming the email system with their own petty ideas and debates. They are so annoyning that the CS, Math, Physic, Chem and Bio students have wasted much brain power plotting a revenge that will never happen (although the CS ideas might happen one day...).

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-21 09:10am

Language and Psych majors are all a bunch of stuck up, know it all, ignorant liberals (an intelligent liberal I don't mind, ignorant ones can go jump off a cliff)

Hey! I resent that remark! Escpailly since I'll hopefuly have a Psych degree soon!

On the other hand those people generaly study Psychology so they can become Theripists and crap like that

I'm doing it so I can better learn how to fuck people over

(Oh and I know that can easily be taken out of context, I planed it that way

My Primary motivation is the fact, No matter the time in my life, I've always wanted to run for President(Or at least local state Seniator) and Pschyology is a helpful way of breaking into the Politcial Areana)

And frankly I'd make a good Pol, Fine speaking vocie(You can thank two years of public speaking ontop of four years of Debate)
I have a compelty clear criminal record
I'm pretty damn moral on a day to day business so I have pretty mucn no skeletons in my closet
All I need are the contacts and connections that most Polys have and I'm moving in on that now

(Plus the Military Service time does not hurt and if I'm set along into Iraq(Or rather 700 Miles offshore of Iraq) I can claim legigimt War-Veteran status, which rather helps at the polls)

I'm thinking of somewhere in my 30's(I plan to run around 38ish) I'll take up teachingh somewhere and I'm already online with the required courses I need to get a Teching Licesne

I'll admit its ambissious but hopefuly in around.... hmm 12 Years now I will
-A Engineering Bacholers in A.P or E.E
-Bacholers of Computer Science(Nearly half way done with that as it is)
-Bacholer in Psychology
-Tons of Miltary Service
-And Some High-School Teaching time

Major two concers inbetween here and then besides all the work I'll be buried under is prehaps running for local office first before moving into the big time is finding a decent speach writer +staff and correcting my spelling problem

Oh and incase you think this is abit insane I got my inspiration from MY High-School Psy Teacher who besides having a Masters in Psy had a Bacholers in both History and Mathmatics
Toss on the fact of his MBA course he took(For fun he said) and we have somone who is quaifled to teach every single High-School course outside of Gym
(PS when I left he was working on his Masters in History...)

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2003-01-21 09:28am

Hey! I resent that remark! Escpailly since I'll hopefuly have a Psych degree soon!

Perhaps I should had limited my comments to my college (in which case they perfectly describe 95% of those majors).

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-21 09:29am

Perhaps I should had limited my comments to my college (in which case they perfectly describe 95% of those majors).

The diffrence prehaps being that they intend to sit in a chair and talk with people for the rest of their life

Meanwhile I intend to rule the fucking world!

(Jan 21, Offical World Domination Day!)

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-01-21 12:11pm

The Dark wrote:
Setzer wrote:The Ten commandments belong in people's hearts.
If they're there, they don't need to paste them anywhere else.
The Ten commandments are moral laws, not legal ones. I dont care if they aren't officially law.

(BTW, how many of you were expecting a Christian to respond this way?)
*Applause* Someone who understands the idea of theology. Very good. My professor would approve whole-heartedly, as do I. About time common sense and Christianity met.

Aw Shucks

Thanks. I consider it a responsibility of mine to show that a person can be intelligent and likeable and still be a Christian.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-21 12:50pm

Arrow Mk84 wrote:As someone who is a computer science major in his last semster in a Liberal Arts college, I can tell you from experience that Lib Arts, Language and Psych majors are all a bunch of stuck up, know it all, ignorant liberals (an intelligent liberal I don't mind, ignorant ones can go jump off a cliff). These folks have a bad habbit of spamming the email system with their own petty ideas and debates. They are so annoyning that the CS, Math, Physic, Chem and Bio students have wasted much brain power plotting a revenge that will never happen (although the CS ideas might happen one day...).

I wouldn't say that they're stuck up, so much as whiny. I know lots of psychology, fine arts, language and don't forget philosophy majors who would qualify as namby-pamby liberals who utterly despise the idea that there might be one, correct conclusion about something. This is usually because that idea would completely invalidate their chosen fields of study.