Kosovo will declare independence at February 17th

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The Duchess of Zeon wrote: The Republic Srpska is probably, with this example of immediate Russian recognition, preparing its own declaration of independence as we speak.
I'm not so sure about them just out-and-out declaring independence because that could cause a reaction that could put the lead people out of power since Bosnia and Herzegovina is still a protectorate. Or an attempt to remove them could lead to them actually managing to enforce the declaration. Who knows. But I doubt they'll attempt such a one-sided declaration without preparation.

I find it more likely that they would use the "Kosovo precedent", to again put independence on the table, combined with a threat of a referendum (which they would win with 80-90%), as either a stick for confederation-style reforms (instead of strengthening the central government which has been the goal of the EU, US, the Federation part of BiH, Croatia - well, pretty much everyone except RS, Serbia and Russia), or, depending on the situation in Kosovo and Serbia truly for independence as a payback to Serbia for losing Kosovo, in some sort of structured deal.

On a grammatical note: Republika Srpska is the official English name of the entity, as much as that name has no relationship with English. The correct translation, not used because of certain embarrassing implications that certain powers wanted to avoid for their domestic consumption, is The Serb Republic. Republic Srpska is nonsensical - its a mishmash of an English noun and a BHS (to use the currently in-vogue acronym for the languages in Bosnia) adjective.
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Stas, we agree in principal on some matters and as far as the others are concerned, you are more than welcome to PM me. I apologize for the tangent.
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None of this would be an issue if Justinian's successors had done their jobs and thrown the Slavs back across the Danube.
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TC Pilot wrote:None of this would be an issue if Justinian's successors had done their jobs and thrown the Slavs back across the Danube.
Probably better the Ottoman Empire was permanently weakened and never grew beyond the Anatolia interior.
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TC Pilot wrote:None of this would be an issue if Justinian's successors had done their jobs and thrown the Slavs back across the Danube.
Probably better the Ottoman Empire was permanently weakened and never grew beyond the Anatolia interior.

The Ottoman Empire was the solution. I've read these charming letters that Ottoman commanders in the area in the 1870s wrote to each other agreeing about how they were the guards to an insane asylum.
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I don't pay a lot of attention to the MSM, but I'm getting the impression that it's getting edged out by election news and the usual non-news.

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The Duchess of Zeon wrote: The Ottoman Empire was the solution. I've read these charming letters that Ottoman commanders in the area in the 1870s wrote to each other agreeing about how they were the guards to an insane asylum.
Didn't the Albanian Muslims come through the Ottoman? :? Admittedly, that region is prone to rebellion and after Basil II (?) the Bulgar Slayer defeated the Bulgars, they revolted some decades later.
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EDIT: Duchess, what sort of letters? I'm curious to read them. Thanks.
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There's two guys in front of the White House with a megaphone and a sign that reads "KOSOVO - GENOCIDE" shouting about how Kosovar independence means the end of American democracy.

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Wheee. And Serbs worldwide are demonstrating why no one wants to be part of their fucking culture, country or anything else.

Protests, violence, racial abuse.

Ah, wonderful people.

"Kosovo is and always has been Serbian." Well, since the 1800s at least.
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weemadando wrote:Wheee. And Serbs worldwide are demonstrating why no one wants to be part of their fucking culture, country or anything else.

Protests, violence, racial abuse.

Ah, wonderful people.

"Kosovo is and always has been Serbian." Well, since the 1800s at least.
The Albanians in Kosovo are no better.
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The Albanians haven't been noisily protesting/celebrating here in Australia.

In fact, it's gotten to the point where even a few Serbs at work are getting sick of the rampant, stupid, nationalism that the rest of their community is displaying.
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weemadando wrote:The Albanians haven't been noisily protesting/celebrating here in Australia.

In fact, it's gotten to the point where even a few Serbs at work are getting sick of the rampant, stupid, nationalism that the rest of their community is displaying.
The Albanians have been indulging in their own ethnic cleansing in their own...
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So far, it seems "universal acceptance" isn't what happened, the EU remains divided over Kosovo. I guess it just gives such a huge boost to all ethnic separatists around the world, doesn't it ;) so some countries aren't ready to greenlight that.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Didn't the Albanian Muslims come through the Ottoman? :?
Now I have this image of a large group of Albanian Muslims climbing, single file, out of an ottoman...
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Stas Bush wrote:So far, it seems "universal acceptance" isn't what happened, the EU remains divided over Kosovo. I guess it just gives such a huge boost to all ethnic separatists around the world, doesn't it ;) so some countries aren't ready to greenlight that.
The plan was always to have it in phases. First phase are the big players, while the neighbours will probably be last do to their heavy investments in Serbia. It will happen over the week or month at most.
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Stas Bush wrote:So far, it seems "universal acceptance" isn't what happened, the EU remains divided over Kosovo. I guess it just gives such a huge boost to all ethnic separatists around the world, doesn't it ;) so some countries aren't ready to greenlight that.
Don't be so sure. Just because the goverments didn't waste a second doesn't mean they will. After last news most of the european governments (at least 2/3 of the EU) will do so in the next days, as the procedure is in most contries a little complicated and needs some days (fe. Germany, Austria and Italy will do so today, at the 20th).
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AARRRGH!

I hadn't looked exactly at what I wrote. Of course I meant: "Just because the goverments take their time doesn't mean they won't recognise Kosovo."
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