Scientology critic commits suicide

[Oni Koneko Damien]

It's entirely possible as well that the strange suicide is the result of less than clear thinking. Maybe he preferred to, I don't know, be more comfortable by doing it in the house. Maybe he went to sleep after leaving the car running and hoped he simply wouldn't wake up.

Or maybe the CoS sent someone to murder him and make it look like a suicide in an attempt to discredit him. I'm currently facepalming over the 'evidence' that people are putting up over this. No one's actually bothered showing that this was a murder besides "Well, it's kinda unusual, innit?" and "Scientology hates him, so they must have done it!"

I thought there were higher standards here.

[Big Orange]

Jesus fucking Christ, you people should be ashamed of yourselves. Without even the tiniest shred of evidence, you've convinced yourself that not only is it possible for this to be an assassination + police conspiracy, but it is actually likely to be so.

I really doubt Scientology would pay off the FBI or Interpol, but it is not unfeasible they would have big connections throughout Clearwater, not unlike the Mafia did in Las Vegas. A cult like the Church of Scientology would attract a disproportionate amount of weirdos and loners as either members or even critics like Shawn Lonsdale, so many of suicides could likely be geuine, however there cannot be smoke without fire, especially with consistant reports of the COS giving out three serious death threats in Germany alone (where they froze the cult out).

And Shawn Lonsdale being made a outcast with limited job prospects in Clearwater could be nothing to do with a systematic smear campaign typical of the Church of Scientolog? With their established Dead Agent Doctrine? They were even partially successful in their smear campaign against the BBC by spamming up YouTube.

But so far there is no irrefutable evidence that Shawn Lonsdale's suicide was intentionally helped along, even though I am sensing a huge stink from the Cult of Scientology, and they've ruined people's lives without assassinating them directly.

[loomer]

I may have overreacted a tad, true, but I still hold to the possibility of it being an assassination. It really wouldn't be a surprise with their track record.

[Solauren]

Quite frankly, Scientology is a little more intelligent then to fake a suicide and make it look this freaking suspicious.

[KlavoHunter]

Quite frankly, Scientology is a little more intelligent then to fake a suicide and make it look this freaking suspicious.

Not when you're convinced you have the reality-bending powers of an OT3...

[Darth Wong]

Jesus fucking Christ, you people should be ashamed of yourselves. Without even the tiniest shred of evidence, you've convinced yourself that not only is it possible for this to be an assassination + police conspiracy, but it is actually likely to be so.

I really doubt Scientology would pay off the FBI or Interpol, but it is not unfeasible they would have big connections throughout Clearwater, not unlike the Mafia did in Las Vegas. A cult like the Church of Scientology would attract a disproportionate amount of weirdos and loners as either members or even critics like Shawn Lonsdale, so many of suicides could likely be geuine, however there cannot be smoke without fire, especially with consistant reports of the COS giving out three serious death threats in Germany alone (where they froze the cult out).

And Shawn Lonsdale being made a outcast with limited job prospects in Clearwater could be nothing to do with a systematic smear campaign typical of the Church of Scientolog? With their established Dead Agent Doctrine? They were even partially successful in their smear campaign against the BBC by spamming up YouTube.

But so far there is no irrefutable evidence that Shawn Lonsdale's suicide was intentionally helped along, even though I am sensing a huge stink from the Cult of Scientology, and they've ruined people's lives without assassinating them directly.

"No irrefutable evidence"? There is no evidence at all. What part of this do you not understand? Until evidence shows up, this is nothing more than Internet bullfuckery.

[Flagg]

I think given the evidence it's just as likely that evil minions of Anonymous killed this guy and make it look like a suicide in order to further damage Scientology!

[Invictus ChiKen]

I'm leaning to odd suicide myself...

I wouldn't be surprised if it was an assassination but time will tell given what happens next. Hopefully there will be an investigation into this ob a level above Clearwater.

[HemlockGrey]

Let's see. Time of high backlash against Scientology? Check.

A bunch of schmucks on the internet hacking websites is not a "high backlash".

[Darth Wong]

Who are all these fucking morons saying that the "timing is convenient?" What "timing?" This is not like O.J. Simpson being unable to account for his whereabouts for a period that mysteriously includes Nicole's murder. What exactly does it mean to say that the "timing is convenient?" Convenient for what? Was there some mysterious Scientology activity that coincided with the time of his death?

[Tanasinn]

Let's see. Time of high backlash against Scientology? Check.

A bunch of schmucks on the internet hacking websites is not a "high backlash".

Considering that the media has shown mild interest, it's hardly just Anonymous going about his regular unseen activities.

[Balrog]

Who are all these fucking morons saying that the "timing is convenient?" What "timing?" This is not like O.J. Simpson being unable to account for his whereabouts for a period that mysteriously includes Nicole's murder. What exactly does it mean to say that the "timing is convenient?" Convenient for what? Was there some mysterious Scientology activity that coincided with the time of his death?

But Mike, Scientology is teh evilz!

So it wasn't the most logical choice for suicide; hell, suicide isn't all that logical to begin with. An investigation should obviously take place to make sure there wasn't foul play, but all the same automatically pointing a finger at CoS is quite childish.

[Ariphaos]

Jesus fucking Christ, you people should be ashamed of yourselves. Without even the tiniest shred of evidence, you've convinced yourself that not only is it possible for this to be an assassination + police conspiracy, but it is actually likely to be so.

There is discussion on Enturbulation about the extremely suspicious timing of some posts from someone claiming to be Anonymous on ARS, regarding the 'suicide' before any public report of his death had been made.

http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtop ... =12&t=3985

Now ask yourself the question: do you really think this sounds like the profile of a guy who is sooooo unlikely to commit suicide that his apparent suicide must surely be the result of a murder plot and police cover-up conspiracy? Why the fuck would they even do it, when he had essentially ceased his activities against them?

I think suicide is just as much of an accusation until more evidence is found and released - ie fingerprints on the ignition key (Scientology no longer has much influence over the Clearwater police). Why would he do it now, instead of during the peak of Scientology's harassment against him, or shortly after?

[Frank Hipper]

This thread is fucking GOLD!

Go, Xeriar, go!

A suicide note and a hose from the exhaust pipe in conjunction with sad, loner behavior are just part of a baseless accusation!

[Crazedwraith]

I thought it was rather hard to kill yourself with a modern car, what with catalytic converters and all...

[aerius]

A suspicious death, possibly, since running the exhaust from a car into a house is rather uncommon, but it's a seriously big stretch to go from there to homicide.

[Darth Wong]

I love the way that Xeriar thinks that despite clear evidence on one side and ZERO evidence on the other, the odds are roughly even of it being a suicide or a murder. Clearly, we're dealing with a real MENSA candidate here.

[Solauren]

Question for the car-geeks out here;

Don't some cars have CO2 sensors now to prevent suicide by sitting in a car in an enclosed space?

If so, then running a hose from the emission pipe into a bedroom makes a lot of sense...

[Andrew J.]

Poor bastard probably saw how much more effective a bunch of Internet geeks were than him and gave up.

The timing of this could not be worse for the Church of Scientology. With so much new negative attention focused on them the last thing they need is a death that the paranoid can blame it for.

[FireNexus]

CO can easily kill you in the way he did it, if your apartment/house is airtight enough. A gas heater with a blocked chimney can do it, and it doesn't produce a much greater volume of CO than a car engine. I've met more than one person in my line of work who nearly died as a result of their chimney becoming blocked because they (like almost everyone, it seems, without a fireplace) didn't realize they had one.

[Flagg]

Poor bastard probably saw how much more effective a bunch of Internet geeks were than him and gave up.

The timing of this could not be worse for the Church of Scientology. With so much new negative attention focused on them the last thing they need is a death that the paranoid can blame it for.

Exactly. If the timing is "convenient" for anyone it's Anonymous. Though even that is laughable as hell.

[Big Orange]

It is not hard to overreact and assume the worse of this suicide, even though COS most likely did not have a direct hand in Shawn Lonsdale's self-imposed demise. However there still seems to be too many suspicious deaths and suicides surrounding the COS already, and they even have a luxurious "re-education" compound nicknamed Happy Valley.