Xisiqomelir wrote:Hahaha he's even winning the (meaningless) Washington primary! Not even symbolic victories for the Hildebeest tonight.
It's not meaningless. They are awarded delegates. I think like half are awarded by the caucus and half by the primary. I know I voted Obama and sent my ballot in weeks ago (Gotta love the vote by mail system, the price of a stamp is nothing considering all the time, gas money, and hassle you save). Day after Edwards dropped out, in fact. I was gonna vote for him. Damned quitter.
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The most interesting aspect about the Wisconsin primary is that Obama beat Clinton (in the "close" Democratic race) by the same margin as McCain beat Huckabee (in the "decided" Republican race).
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With 87% of precincts reporting it's Obama 58%, Clinton 41%. She got her ass kicked.
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Patrick Degan wrote:With 87% of precincts reporting it's Obama 58%, Clinton 41%. She got her ass kicked.
Hope she falls down the stairs on the way down.
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When you've won 9 straight by massive double digits that's momentum. When you've sucked 20 odd points away from your opponents core constituency that's momentun. When your opponent in the general election isn't even bothering to talk about your opponent in the primary then you've got momentum. There's only so much damage control Billary can do and ignoring it for the 9th straight time isn't the answer (hopefully 10 in the next half hour).
Long term if Hillary losses EITHER TX or OH then its really over. She has basically placed all of her eggs into those two baskets (even campaigning there ahead of Wisconsin). Given the mount she is trailing in delegates if she doesn't pick up ground and change the narrative of the race then Obama has won it.
That said Hillary is just the type of hard headed bitch that would keep campaigning, even to the point of going negative, all the way through Puerto Rico in June so that she could try and stage a coup at the convention. Again for all the talk about the superdelegates shiftig her way I just don't see it happening. The general electorate is favoring Obama and the Demcratic electroate is putting him ahead with huge margins. The party insiders who want to win the White House so bad they can taste it will not let some old connections to the Clintons keep them from putting the party in position to win in November. These are folks who live politicsand for all the hemming and hawing right now if she losses either of her "firewall" states then there will be a mass migration of superdelegate support to Obama.
As to the Veep selection. Richardson is my favorite pick as he provides solid focus with the mainstream Democrats (he was a Clinton cabinet member) while also appealing to Latinos (California and Florida to name two important states, not to mention Texas which has the ability to shift if evangelical turnout is depressed with McCain), moreover it "brands" the campaing as the new face of America, the minority underclass finaly making good on the American Dream. Next in line would be Daschale, Biden, Dodd, or Kaine but I won't go into all four of them. Suffice to say all represent varying stripes of Mainstream White Democrat (daschale brings party organizations and labor, Bidden and Dodd the foreign policy credentials, and Kaine could probably snag Virginia and maybe even North Carolina)
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ray245 wrote:Speaking of Hiliary losing...who will Obama choose as the vice-president?
Edwards or Clinton?
I'm guessing Gov Kathleen Sibelius of Kansas. strong obama supporter , red state governor and she'd be a sop to those who wanted a first woman president.
Why is everyone talking about how Obama beat Clinton in the WA caucuses as though it just happened? He beat her there LAST WEEK. That's old news. Only the the Republicans caucused in WA last night and McCain won handily.
The Original Nex wrote:Why is everyone talking about how Obama beat Clinton in the WA caucuses as though it just happened? He beat her there LAST WEEK. That's old news. Only the the Republicans caucused in WA last night and McCain won handily.
Bashing business comes naturally to Obama. But for Hillary, it was a complete failure. Exit polls from Wisconsin say the trade protectionists went with Obama. Union members? Obama. People who think the economy is in trouble? Obama. Folks who don't think it's in trouble? Obama. People making less than $50,000 a year? Obama. More than $50,000 a year? Obama.
And it only gets worse.
Voters went with Obama on healthcare by 8 points, on the economy by 16 points and on Iraq by 20 points. Churchgoers and non-churchgoers went with Obama. Most qualified to be commander in chief? Obama. College degree or no college degree? Obama. Democrats, Republicans and independents went with Obama. So did blacks and whites.
White women did, in fact, lean toward Hillary, by a small 52 percent to 47 percent margin. But Hillary only got 31 percent of the male vote, while tying the female vote. White males? They went with Obama by a full 29 points.
Obama won both married men and women, and he tied on unmarried women -- a heretofore Hillary stronghold. Most likely to unite the country? Obama, by almost 30 points. Most interested in improving relations with the rest of the world? Obama, 56 to 40.
You think these trends are going to change in Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania? I don't -- no matter what last-gasp neutron-negativism tactics the Clinton team employs.
