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I guess Farmer's Riverworld would be most close to it... minus the folks who ended up in heaven, the entire Humanity is there!
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How about we just combine the two for maximum amusement?JointStrikeFighter wrote:Replace "female" with "Stark" for extra hilarity both at the story itself and Stark's reaction.tim31 wrote:Man, I can't wait to see some Australians break into the action. A cynical female F-111 co from Brisvegas, I'm thinking.
I don't know that they're immortal; their lifespans are just extremely long. Torturing them for their entire second lives releases much of this "energy" to boost the demons, who also have very long lives, up to their heaven/hell. If it exists. So I'd expect that humans in hell are practically immortal, compared to humans on Earth, but they can still be killed, albeit with more difficulty because of the speed of healing.Stas Bush wrote:Far-going consequences: people in hell are immortal, in which case once demons are slaughtered and hell is invaded and held by humans, expect the whole humanity to become immortal.
It seems to me, as well, that the humans in Hell are extremely tough to kill; you'd probably have to decapitate them and keep the head away from the body long enough for brain death to occur(which might be a while, as we see the characters surviving under the river of sludge for extended periods). Or simply crush their entire body to a pulp. Point is, you'd have to do something extremely violent and destructive to drop a human in Hell.Surlethe wrote:I don't know that they're immortal; their lifespans are just extremely long. Torturing them for their entire second lives releases much of this "energy" to boost the demons, who also have very long lives, up to their heaven/hell. If it exists. So I'd expect that humans in hell are practically immortal, compared to humans on Earth, but they can still be killed, albeit with more difficulty because of the speed of healing.Stas Bush wrote:Far-going consequences: people in hell are immortal, in which case once demons are slaughtered and hell is invaded and held by humans, expect the whole humanity to become immortal.
I have to agree. Though as I'm military but not a lawyer I was concentrating on the military issues - IE the idea of EVERY military casualty of war, heck every military member who's died during service has ended up in what's effectively the largest POW camp ever. The USA alone has had millions in military members.JBG wrote:As a lawyer, the prospect of sorting that out makes my head spin. Some very hard decisions would have to be taken to effectively cap claims otherwise the living will be bankrupt and destitute. At the least.
That's one possible way to interpret it. Another is that he has precognition (he "knoweth things to come") and telepathic abilities (he "causeth the Love of Lords and Great Persons" i.e. can manipulate their emotions), and probably some limited shapeshifting abilities (since it implies he can look like a human knight). A description like this is open to a variety of different interpretations depending on what you want to end up with.Stuart wrote:So what we have to do is take the description and work out the reality that lies behind it.
He's a "Great Duke", ie an Army commander.
He appears as a knight carrying a lance, an ensign and a serpent. In other words, he flies a banner and rides a rhinolobster.
He discovereth hidden things, and knoweth things to come; and of Wars, and how the Soldiers will or shall meet. In other words, he's inquisitive, quick to learn and a good commander
He causeth the Love of Lords and Great Persons." In other words he's charismatic.
Which is exactly how he's being portrayed
When reading mythology its always fun to strip away the verbiage and work out what the description really says. We can do that with any mythology and its surprising how often what we end up with is a very down-to-earth description of a real person.
That's exactly what I want.General Schatten wrote:How about we just combine the two for maximum amusement?JointStrikeFighter wrote:Replace "female" with "Stark" for extra hilarity both at the story itself and Stark's reaction.tim31 wrote:Man, I can't wait to see some Australians break into the action. A cynical female F-111 co from Brisvegas, I'm thinking.
True, but I'm applying Occams Razor and trying to come up with explanations that match the legends without going too far astray from science as we know it. Personally, I find it more fun to sit down and say - how do we get there from here? rather than just say "its a power"Junghalli wrote: That's one possible way to interpret it. Another is that he has precognition (he "knoweth things to come") and telepathic abilities (he "causeth the Love of Lords and Great Persons" i.e. can manipulate their emotions), and probably some limited shapeshifting abilities (since it implies he can look like a human knight). A description like this is open to a variety of different interpretations depending on what you want to end up with.
That is assuming it is even possible for dead humans in hell to return to Earth. While demons can cross between (which means living humans should be able to as well barring unforeseen complications) Hell and Earth, there could be mechanism that prevents those who have already died from returning as they were before.Firethorn wrote: Hmmm... Other posts gave me a thought - what if death in hell results in reincarnation on earth?
He is by law the highest ranking US officer by dint of seniority.General Schatten wrote:Also, on the giving people the rank they had before they died, what do we do with General Washington when he asks for his rank as Lieutenant General?
To maintain George Washington's proper position as the first Commanding General of the United States Army, he was appointed, posthumously, to the grade of General of the Armies of the United States by congressional joint resolution Public Law 94-479 January 19, 1976, approved by President Gerald R. Ford on October 11, 1976. The law established the grade as having "rank and precedence over all other grades of the Army, past or present,"clearly making it superior to General of the Army. The Department of the Army Order 31-3, issued on March 13, 1978 had an effective appointment date of July 4, 1976. The rank ensures that no United States military officer outranks George Washington.
PUBLIC LAW 94-479 [H.J.Res. 519]; Oct. 11, 1976
GEORGE WASHINGTON–GENERAL OF THE ARMIES–APPOINTMENT
Joint resolution to provide for the appointment of George Washington to the grade of General of the Armies of the United States.
Whereas Lieutenant General George Washington of Virginia commanded our armies throughout and to the successful termination of our Revolutionary War;
Whereas Lieutenant General George Washington presided over the convention that formulated our Constitution;
Whereas Lieutenant General George Washington twice served as President of the United States of America; and
Whereas it is considered fitting and proper that no officer of the United States Army should outrank Lieutenant General George Washington on the Army list: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That
(a) for purposes of subsection (b) of this section only, the grade of General of the Armies of the United States is established, such grade to have rank and precedence over all other grades of the Army, past or present.
(b) The President is authorized and requested to appoint George Washington posthumously to the grade of General of the Armies of the United States, such appointment to take effect on July 4, 1976.
Approved October 11, 1976.
The basic cosmology here is that Heaven and Hell are a higher dimension above our plane of existance. There's an energy barrier between them that makes it relatively easy to go from their plane down to ours but much harder to go from our plane up to theirs. There's another plane of existance above theirs from which their dead and the dead from hell go when they do finally die - and presumably another plane beyond that all the way to infinity.Gullible Jones wrote:I would expect that death in hell would be permadeath for humans.
Once again, most of Humanity is in hell. The only ones who were taken up to Heaven were the ones so full of blind faith and religious devotion that they'd sit there and chain-worship for eternity. Does a rebel general strike you as that type?PainRack wrote:More importantly, why the hell is he in Hell?