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George W. Bush breaks all records! 18% Approval Rating

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Attytood Blogger wrote: Worse than Watergate: Bush scores lowest presidential approval rating EVER!

The 2008 presidential race must be an incredibly welcome development for President Bush and his White House. That's because the American body politic can only really focus on one thing at a time, and so there's little time for anything else aside from the madcap antics of of Gilligan, the Skipper, the Millionaire and his wife, the Movie Star, the Professor and Mary Ann...and the rest. Some liberal blogs and right-wing talk radio are lined up in circular firing squads, and the op-ed columnists have trained their fire on Hillary's lonely teardrops or Barack's Church of the Poison Mind.

While no one was looking, the economy nosedived, gas prices have soared, the war in Iraq is as unpopular as ever and Osama bin Laden is still on the loose. And so while none of us were paying attention, our 43rd president just hit a major milestone.

George W. Bush is now the most unpopular president in recorded American history. (h/t Atrios)

Worse than Richard Nixon in the days before he resigned in disgrace during Watergate, worse than Jimmy Carter during the Iran hostage crisis, much worse than Bill Clinton when he was impeached. Just as Roger Bannister raced through what once seemed the unreachable 4-minute mile, Bush has burst through a barrier once also thought impossible, below the 20-percent mark.

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George W. Bush's overall job approval rating has dropped to a new low in American Research Group polling as 78% of Americans say that the national economy is getting worse according to the latest survey from the American Research Group.

Among all Americans, 19% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 77% disapprove. When it comes to Bush's handling of the economy, 14% approve and 79% disapprove.

Among Americans registered to vote, 18% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 78% disapprove.

That is just mind-blowing. How does it compare to other presidents? There's no comparison.

Nixon, as he was hounded out of office in August 1974, never dipped below the mid-20s.

Here's a pretty good compilation of poll numbers from Roper. To summarize the highlights:

Clinton low: 36 percent, May 1993 (early missteps like Zoe Baird)

George H.W. Bush low: 29 percent, August 1992 (recession)

Reagan low: 35 percent, January 1983 (recession)

Carter low: 28 percent, July 1979 (high gas prices)

Ford low: 37 percent, January 1975 (economy, Nixon pardon)

Nixon low: 23 percent, January 1974 (Watergate)

Johnson low: 35 percent, August 1968 (Vietnam)

Lowest ever? That would be Harry Truman during the Korean War, in February 1952, at 22 percent.

And so now George W. Bush has shattered a record that has stood for 55 long years, and there's not any one reason. It's everything, although I suspect that liberals would more likely say Iraq and torture, conservatives would say immigration and runaway spending, and everyone would now say the economy.

It takes more than unpopularity to become the worst president ever, but this may be the straw that broke the camel's back on that front. It should remind us all what the 2008 election is all about, and it's not about Hillary's wardrobe or an off-the-cuff remark or who is the Second Coming of Ronald Reagan.

It's only about who can undo the damage of the last eight years. It's amazing so many people wanted such a difficult task.
First off, the post is of course from a blogger so here's a link to the actual numbers

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Second this is only one issue, third this survey combines democratic and republican voters. It's worth noting that the actual democratic numbers are much worse, while the Republican only numbers are better.

Third, his standard approval numbers are still in the low twenties, but any day now it could hit that magic 21% and end up in Guinness just you wait.

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If you still think he's doing a great job you need to be checked for brain damage.

It's things like this when I sometimes think a Parliamentary form of government where you can express a vote of no confidence in your government and kick the bums out at any time is soooo superior to this beastly process we have now where you can score 18% and still have a job. He could have scored this 3 years ago and we would be stuck with him for 3 whole years with no way to get rid of him.
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If he'd scored this low three years ago and we had a Parliamentary system, you'd probably wind up with President Thomas DeLay. :P
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Stravo wrote:It's things like this when I sometimes think a Parliamentary form of government where you can express a vote of no confidence in your government and kick the bums out at any time is soooo superior to this beastly process we have now where you can score 18% and still have a job. He could have scored this 3 years ago and we would be stuck with him for 3 whole years with no way to get rid of him.
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Bush is by no means the worst president ever (he's far too much of a loser to be number one in anything). No one can take that away from James Buchanan.
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TC Pilot wrote:Bush is by no means the worst president ever (he's far too much of a loser to be number one in anything). No one can take that away from James Buchanan.
I know Patrick Degan and Maria really have a thing against Wilson. I'm exactly sure why though.
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TC Pilot wrote:Bush is by no means the worst president ever (he's far too much of a loser to be number one in anything). No one can take that away from James Buchanan.
I know Patrick Degan and Maria really have a thing against Wilson. I'm exactly sure why though.
World War I. There was no reason for the US to get involved in, as RI put it, a "European pissing match". It cost, what, 300,000 dead and injured?
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And what about the experience of every other parliamentary democracy? Now, I could very well be wrong, but isn't practically every non-US democratic nation in the world parliamentary?
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Surlethe wrote: World War I. There was no reason for the US to get involved in, as RI put it, a "European pissing match". It cost, what, 300,000 dead and injured?
So less than Iraq then. Guess that's a plus for Wilson.
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MKSheppard wrote:
Stravo wrote:It's things like this when I sometimes think a Parliamentary form of government where you can express a vote of no confidence in your government and kick the bums out at any time is soooo superior to this beastly process we have now where you can score 18% and still have a job. He could have scored this 3 years ago and we would be stuck with him for 3 whole years with no way to get rid of him.
Sir,

We have considered your request, and have enclosed a note telling you to commit an anatomical impossibility; based on the experience of Italy and parlimentary democracy.

Sincerely;
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Sir,

we have read your statement and have enclosed a book about parliamentary democracy, so that you will not act like an ignoramus again.

Sincerely;
everyone who knows a jack about parliamentary democracy.
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Surlethe wrote:And what about the experience of every other parliamentary democracy? Now, I could very well be wrong, but isn't practically every non-US democratic nation in the world parliamentary?
This map would agree.

Guess what other nation in Europe does not use a parliamentary system: France. That's right, Shep wants the US to be like France. :lol:
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Surlethe wrote: World War I. There was no reason for the US to get involved in, as RI put it, a "European pissing match". It cost, what, 300,000 dead and injured?
So less than Iraq then. Guess that's a plus for Wilson.
300,000 dead and injured US soldiers [ref]. I have no idea what the civilian cost of US involvement was, to be honest.
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Xisiqomelir wrote:I know Patrick Degan and Maria really have a thing against Wilson. I'm exactly sure why though.
US involvement WWI? The Sedition Act? Re-segregation of the White House? Palmer Raids? Haiti?
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phongn wrote:
Xisiqomelir wrote:I know Patrick Degan and Maria really have a thing against Wilson. I'm exactly sure why though.
US involvement WWI? The Sedition Act? Re-segregation of the White House? Palmer Raids? Haiti?
I'm not saying Wilson is great, I just don't think he can really claim the bottom when we have Pierce and Buchanan to work with.
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This map would agree.

Guess what other nation in Europe does not use a parliamentary system: France. That's right, Shep wants the US to be like France.
What do the colours mean? I'm guessing that red is non proportional parliamentary democracy, orange is proportional parliamentary democracy, and I have no idea about South Africa and Thailand.
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As I mentioned in a different thread, Buchanan at least decided not to run for a second term. Other than that, I consider Buchanan and Bush to be on equal terms with regard to the amount of damage they did to the country. And this is coming from a guy named "Civil War Man".

Besides them, Wilson and Jackson come up pretty high on that list.
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TC Pilot wrote:Bush is by no means the worst president ever (he's far too much of a loser to be number one in anything). No one can take that away from James Buchanan.
I think Andrew "let's fuck the niggers over" Johnson did just that a few years later. Buchanan's biggest failing was that he was an idiot, and to his credit he realized it and decided not to run a second term. This is better than some jackasses who've thoguht they're God's gift to the nation.
Xisiqomelir wrote:I know Patrick Degan and Maria really have a thing against Wilson. I'm exactly sure why though.
You forgot RedImperator, there are also other less notable people who don't like him. In the Fuck Historical Revisionism thread, I've called Wilson "a duplicitous, two-faced, backstabbing bastard", and Darth Raptor noted, "To read about Wilson's bigotry and extralegal bullfuckery (on a scale G.W. Bush could only dream of), you pretty much have to do your own research. He was arguably one of the most maleficent presidents the USA ever had, yet he's regarded as merely mediocre at worst."
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Adrian Laguna wrote:I think Andrew "let's fuck the niggers over" Johnson did just that a few years later.
I don't think that's nearly as bad as the "let's sell them out" Republicans of the 1876 election. Because apparently four more years in the White House is worth more than the well-being of millions of former slaves.
Buchanan's biggest failing was that he was an idiot, and to his credit he realized it and decided not to run a second term. This is better than some jackasses who've thoguht they're God's gift to the nation.
Buchanan's biggest failing is presiding over the secession of a quarter of the territorial United States and doing nothing about it while rebels looted federal arsenals for weapons, hijacked huge quantities of military equipment, en masse officer defections, and seized all but one military installation along the entire southern coastline. His handling of the situation was borderline criminal it was so pathetic.

Well, actually, he did try and stop them. He said it was illegal to secede while at the same time saying it was illegal for him to do anything about it. :roll: Brilliant move.
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Psychic_Sandwich wrote:
This map would agree.

Guess what other nation in Europe does not use a parliamentary system: France. That's right, Shep wants the US to be like France.
What do the colours mean? I'm guessing that red is non proportional parliamentary democracy, orange is proportional parliamentary democracy, and I have no idea about South Africa and Thailand.
Nope. Red is for the constitutional monarchies, yellow for republics, and green is for those states who have combined the roles of head of state and head of government in one office like in the presidential systems, but filled according to a vote of the pariliament and with such things like seperate elections and votes of no-confidence, in short being parliamentary systems in all but name.
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Glocksman wrote:If he'd scored this low three years ago and we had a Parliamentary system, you'd probably wind up with President Thomas DeLay. :P
Or (Former) Planet Denny Hastert. :P
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To add:

If we lived in a parliamentary system, the President would not be analogous to the Prime Minister and thus, would not be subject to confidence votes. In a parliamentary system the President is outside the parliamentary structure, so Bush wouldn't be able to be removed by a vote of no confidence. If the US was a parliamentary system, the President and Head of State would be Bush. It would in all likely-hood be the Speaker of the House (or possibly the Majority Leader) who becomes the Prime Minister. So we'd have Prime Minister Pelosi or Prime Minister Hoyer right now under such a system.
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That approval rating seems doubly pathetic when you consider that 44% of Americans still think the earth is less than 10,000 years old.
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Xisiqomelir wrote:
phongn wrote:
Xisiqomelir wrote:I know Patrick Degan and Maria really have a thing against Wilson. I'm exactly sure why though.
US involvement WWI? The Sedition Act? Re-segregation of the White House? Palmer Raids? Haiti?
I'm not saying Wilson is great, I just don't think he can really claim the bottom when we have Pierce and Buchanan to work with.
Without Thomas Woodrow Wilson, the U.S. does not step into the Great War which it has no real stake in as most Americans damn well knew back in the day. The European powers exhaust each other on the battlefield until they finally decide to talk truce, only on far more even terms than Versailles. Without a legacy of defeat and humiliation to fuel a doltschluss mythology, a little corporal named Hitler spends the rest of his miserable life hanging wallpaper and the Nazis never get their chance, or never even form out of the German Workers Party. World War II doesn't happen.

Without Wilson, the U.S. doesn't have the legacy of an actual proto-fascist police state to fuel future would-be American fascists with their dreams of total security (for themselves and fuck the rest of the people). Americans aren't taught the habits of paranoia and submission.

Pierce was merely a crook and Buchanan merely an incompetent. Wilson on the other hand was malign and a virtual dictator to an extent Chimpus Caesar and Count Dick could only dream of being.
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To add to what Patrick said, during WW1, Wilson created a Committee on Public Information, aka the Creel Commission, given the express task of brainwashing the American public to provide political support for bringing the USA into a war it had no involvement with. For example, knowledge that the RMS Lusitania was listed an auxiliary merchant cruiser in RN rolls and was carrying munitions was suppressed from the public to make it seem like an innocent ship was torpedoed. Germans in America were lynched by mobs just like blacks by the time the hysteria was fully generated through a process known as "engineering consent" by which the precursors of modern mass-marketing techniques were used to convince the populace that something was true that wasn't, and make them 'demand' to their leaders that something be done about it, those "leaders" being Woodrow Wilson, and the "something" being involvement in a war he chose to drag the country into, and did so by engaging in systematic mass propaganda.

And once the war started?

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If Woodrow Wilson was in charge, he would be putting Amish there. For refusing to carry rifles in his war effort. Even when they offer to do non-combatant work instead.
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Now there's some crazy fanatacism. What was Woody's ultimate goal, even? I mean did he really believe that whipping the Germans but good would bring about World Peace? Was it part of some scheme to create and assert American international dominance? Was he molested by Germans when he was young? Or was he just put out by the thought of not being involved in what was until then the biggest war ever?


Oh yeah you guys forgot to mention invading Russia to try and keep them propped up and in the war, I can't begin to wonder just how big a snowball that started rolling down the hill since I doubt very much the communists ever forgot or forgave us for that.
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From Wikipedia:
After one of his final speeches to attempt to promote the League of Nations in Pueblo, Colorado, on September 25, 1919 [4], he collapsed. On October 2, 1919, Wilson suffered a serious stroke that almost totally incapacitated him, leaving him paralyzed on his left side and blind in his left eye. For at least a few months, he was confined to a wheelchair. Afterwards he could walk only with the assistance of a cane. The full extent of his disability was kept from the public until after his death on February 3, 1924.
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