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Very true. When I see him all I see is a very charismatic radical socialist. His pretty words pretty much swasy people before they realize just how much he would like to change things if given the chance.
Umm...no...he's not even CLOSE to being a socialist. There are very few prominent politicians in America who are.
Of course it wont happen. People forget that right now Congress is hated even more than Bush which means at best if Obama wins he has 2 years at best before he has to contend with a congress dominated by the GOP.
People don't forget, they just reach a different conclusion from you. People are pissed at Congress because REPUBLICANS aren't letting the Democrats get anything done. Most people elected Democrats in 2006 because they wanted the change the Dems were promising; if anything Obama will be operating with a GREATER Democratic majority for his first term. Expect MASSIVE GAINS for the Democrats in this coming election season.
Which is fine with me. As far as I am concerned the Federal Government is at its best when power is split between the two parties and they pretty well neutralize each other for a long period of time.
Are you saying it's at its best when they are so divided they get nothing done? That's a nice outlook.
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Darth Wong wrote:I love the way the asshole who wrote that piece acts as if some kind of special subversive reason is required in order to explain these white women marrying these black men, as if the idea that they would simply get together due to romantic and sexual attraction is inconceivable to him.
Schifrin is a her, but that only proves that Ku Kluxers now allow women to don white sheets and hoods. Her piece was like something off of Stormfront, only more racist, paranoid and crude.

I think Barack Obama's real problem is the character assassination Hillary and the Republitards have in store for him from now on. Case in point: They are now going after his wife on the grounds that she's an angry black woman who hates "America -Fuck Yeah!". I'll wager that some time in the next week Lanny Davis (the Grima Wormtongue of the Clinton campaign) will call the Obamas anti-Semites, while the RepubliKKKlans attack his wife as a "nappy-headed ho". You heard it here first!

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Two attempts were made against Gerald Ford, one of which failed because the gun didn't fire and the second because someone grabbed at the would-be assassin, causing the shot to miss. Both attempts came within 3 weeks of each other. In the first attempt, the shooter was quite close to Ford, in the second, the shooter was across a street.

Two attempts were also made against Nixon.

Attempts were also made against Clinton and while looking these up, I realized I forgot when someone threw a live grenade (which had a faulty detonator) towards Bush II in the Republic of Georgia while he was in a crowd. :shock:
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Baal wrote:
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Of course it wont happen. People forget that right now Congress is hated even more than Bush which means at best if Obama wins he has 2 years at best before he has to contend with a congress dominated by the GOP.

Which is fine with me. As far as I am concerned the Federal Government is at its best when power is split between the two parties and they pretty well neutralize each other for a long period of time.
You do realize that the Democrats controlled Congress for fourty years, 1954-1994, right? The Republicans only controlled Congress from 1994 to 2006, which is only 12 years. The Democrats now control it for at least until November, and will probably further cement their majority in that election.

As far as the political history of the 20th century goes, the GOP is nothing but a fucking speedbump to Democratic control of Congress, and given how badly they fucked things up when they finally did regain a majority, I don't think we're going to see them in power again for a long while. Perhaps they might have better luck in another fourty years?
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FSTargetDrone wrote:I know the Secret Service is always out in force when the current president is out anywhere, but every time I see even the current president working the crowds, trading handshakes and such, I'm always cringing at the thought that there's someone in the crowd who's going to try something. I assume everyone is given at least a cursory search before getting anywhere near the president, but those outdoor situations (especially) still make me nervous.
If I may set your mind at ease with an anecdote:

I met Bush I once at an outdoor photo-op such as you describe. Three hours before I got anywhere near the guy, we were run through metal detectors and sniffed by bomb dogs, then confined in a large area with unobstructed interior views enclosed by a huge fence. While we waited we were supervised by Secret Service guys, at least one of whom in my non-expert opinion appeared to be carrying an SMG.

I was 12 years old, in my Boy Scout uniform, with my Troop including a high-ranking military official who knew GHWB personally (a Scout's father / the assistant troop leader), so in my personal experience I think it's safe to say that the Secret Service probably has those outdoor crowd greets with even-less-innocuous members of the public buttoned up tighter than a dolphin's ass.

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t is a far cry from the circumstances of anyone under 30 years old in 1962, for whom the last serious American political assassination would've been the assassination of President William McKinley in 1901, and the attempted assassination of Teddy Roosevelt in 1912. Only the oldest parents of the 30 year olds of 1962 would have any recollection, and they would all have been babies or very small children at the time McKinley was assassinated.
There were also attempts against FDR and Truman.
The assassin who fired at FDR in 1933 missed and killed the Mayor of Chicago.
Truman was targeted by Puerto Rican nationalists in 1950, when the Blair House (where he was staying during White House renovations) was attacked.
IIRC, a couple of SS guards were killed and if the would be assassins had planned better, Truman would have been killed.
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Surlethe wrote:1988. Reagan was president for all of the first nine months of my life; the assassination attempt in 1981 was certainly before my time. I'm sure the Secret Service does its job extraordinarily well, but I've never thought of a political figure as at any risk for assassination. Upon reflection, it becomes clear that of course political figures are at risk, but certainly, for anybody younger than 27 or 30, political assassination is something that just doesn't happen in the modern US.
For anyone alive and old enough to post on the interwebs today, their parents were certainly alive for the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan, and old enough to remember it. More than a few of them were alive for the assassination of JFK. A single generation separates us from Reagan, and two from JFK. Not enough time that the assassination of a notable American political figure should be inconceivable to young people today.
Not inconceivable, but it's not something that's part of a young person's experience. Therefore, assassination is probably not something that automatically springs to mind as a risk when a young person considers the Presidency. The idea is not entirely gone, but a generation's distance since the last attempt is certainly enough time to seriously dull awareness of the threat.
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When Reagan was shot, I was in the 8th grade.
I remember it very clearly because I was home for lunch (I lived a block from school and it was open campus back then), and the I Love Lucy rerun on TV was interrupted with the breaking news.

Ironically, while I was believed by everyone when I went back after lunch and passed on what I heard, I wasn't believed by some people when the Pope got shot a few months later and I heard about it the same way I did about Reagan.

One girl even said that it 'sounds like something I'd make up'. :twisted:
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Raw Shark wrote:
FSTargetDrone wrote:I know the Secret Service is always out in force when the current president is out anywhere, but every time I see even the current president working the crowds, trading handshakes and such, I'm always cringing at the thought that there's someone in the crowd who's going to try something. I assume everyone is given at least a cursory search before getting anywhere near the president, but those outdoor situations (especially) still make me nervous.
If I may set your mind at ease with an anecdote:

I met Bush I once at an outdoor photo-op such as you describe. Three hours before I got anywhere near the guy, we were run through metal detectors and sniffed by bomb dogs, then confined in a large area with unobstructed interior views enclosed by a huge fence. While we waited we were supervised by Secret Service guys, at least one of whom in my non-expert opinion appeared to be carrying an SMG.

I was 12 years old, in my Boy Scout uniform, with my Troop including a high-ranking military official who knew GHWB personally (a Scout's father / the assistant troop leader), so in my personal experience I think it's safe to say that the Secret Service probably has those outdoor crowd greets with even-less-innocuous members of the public buttoned up tighter than a dolphin's ass.
Protecting the president at an event which was probably staged weeks or months in advance is one thing. Protecting a campaigning nominee, whose schedule might preclude the kind of long-term planning (and whose goal -- winning an election -- might conflict with having ultra-tight security) is another thing again.
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Surlethe wrote:To be honest, the possibility that the he might be at an elevated risk for assassination had not crossed my mind. This is probably because I'm naive and young; in my lifetime, no political figure that I can recall has been assassinated or the target of an attempted assassination, and certainly none that would have struck a public chord, like JFK or MLKJr. I wonder how many people my age, who haven't been exposed to virulent racism or assassinations, share my lack of concern?
A fair number, I'd wager, whereas I've been aware of the prospect since his candidacy was first proposed years ago. A single good shot from even a single-shot blackpowder rifle could do it from several hundred meters, and would be almost impossible for the Secret Service to do anything about at campaign events. They have snipers on every rooftop in D.C. during the inaugeration, for what it's worth.

I doubt any of you are aware of the aftermath of the King assassination, either--Riots shook the whole country and dozens of people were killed fighting the police. The nation will burn if a black Presidential candidate or black President is assassinated.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote: I doubt any of you are aware of the aftermath of the King assassination, either--Riots shook the whole country and dozens of people were killed fighting the police. The nation will burn if a black Presidential candidate or black President is assassinated.
On the contrary, I'm very much aware of that, which is why I mentioned I don't care to think about the consequences of an Obama assassination. This time, you could have white kids out on the streets too.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:I doubt any of you are aware of the aftermath of the King assassination, either--Riots shook the whole country and dozens of people were killed fighting the police. The nation will burn if a black Presidential candidate or black President is assassinated.
I'm aware of the riots, but the college course on the 60s I took back in High School might have something to do with it. It's almost a sure bet that Major Daley in Chicago would have the police crack down on the riots swiftly and ruthlessly, whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I don't really know. What I do know is that in the event of Obama being assassinated, I can look forward to happy-fun times in my neighborhood.
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The difference is, there were many riots in the 1960s before King was murdered and quite a few after -well into the Seventies. The Chicago Police Department rioted at the Democratic Convention in 1968. The last honest-to-goodness riots in the US were after the LAPD officers who used Rodney King for a pinata were acquitted in spite of being caught on tape beating him like a rented mule.
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Baal wrote:Half white, half Nigerian and grew up in Hawaii.

Yep he sure is African-American. :roll:
Kenyan, Baal. His father was Kenyan. And if anything, actually having an African parent would make him more African-American than most people who try to call themselves that. My RAT Forrest, for instance, had an Egyptian father, so he called himself African-American (because, you know, Egypt is in Africa), but was usually yelled at by black people whose ancestors had lived in the Americas for generations because he wasn't "really" one.

Anyway, back on topic. I remembered seeing old recordings of RFK during his presidential campaign, and it was like he was a rock star or something. You had all these screaming young folks lining the streets to see him and wave and try to shake his hand and everything. That's where I was seeing the worrying parallel.
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A lot of presidents get shot at, but not all of them get killed. I think he's at a high risk of attack but I don't think he's at any higher chance of being successfully attacked than anyone else. It's not like Bush hasn't made a lot of enemies, and he doesn't spend all day locked inside a bunker at all times, so there's still occasions where Mr 18 Percent could have been targetted by someone off their meds and shot at. Obama, as a liberal black guy president, might be a hated target for a lot of crazyfolk, but it's quite a different thing to actually commit the assassination attempt.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:The ghettoes will burn if a black Presidential candidate or black President is assassinated.
Sorry, fixed it for you. :? Truth is; only people in the Inner cities get teh brilliant idea of "hey, in order to protest something, lets burn down our own neighborhoods!" Image

Elsewhere, we get to see plenty of COPS footage. Image
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Not voting for a candidate because of some paranoid idea that he may be at a greater risk of assassination has got to be the absolute stupidest reason I've ever heard. The man knows what he's getting into, and frankly it's not up to us to worry about that.
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MKSheppard wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:The ghettoes will burn if a black Presidential candidate or black President is assassinated.
Sorry, fixed it for you. :? Truth is; only people in the Inner cities get teh brilliant idea of "hey, in order to protest something, lets burn down our own neighborhoods!" Image

Elsewhere, we get to see plenty of COPS footage. Image
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Jadeite wrote:You do realize that the Democrats controlled Congress for fourty years, 1954-1994, right? The Republicans only controlled Congress from 1994 to 2006, which is only 12 years. The Democrats now control it for at least until November, and will probably further cement their majority in that election.
Minor point of fact but for a breif period from June 2001 and until the next Congress was seated in January 2003 the Democrats actually controlled the Senate after Jim Jeffords defected from the Republican ranks but caucused with the Democrats. This is the period of Daschale's brief run as Majorty Leader. So out of the 12 years of Republican control 1.5 of them were with split chambers so its only 10.5 total years of pure Republican control in both houses.
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Elfdart wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:The ghettoes will burn if a black Presidential candidate or black President is assassinated.
Sorry, fixed it for you. :? Truth is; only people in the Inner cities get teh brilliant idea of "hey, in order to protest something, lets burn down our own neighborhoods!" Image

Elsewhere, we get to see plenty of COPS footage. Image
The people burning and looting aren't protesting anything; they're taking advantage of a breakdown in law and order for fun and profit.
Precisely. From the recent Belgrade protests, here is a little video of an example of those fuckwits in action.
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/p ... ity25.html
Obama insists he's in good hands, yet many still fear for his safety

By JEFF ZELENY

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DALLAS -- There is a hushed worry among many supporters of Sen. Barack Obama, echoed in conversations from state to state, rally to rally: Will he be safe?

In Colorado, two sisters say they pray daily for his safety. In New Mexico, a daughter says she persuaded her mother to still vote for the Illinois Democrat, even though the mother feared that winning would put him in danger. And at a rally here, a woman expressed worries his message of hope and change -- and his race -- made him more vulnerable to violence.

"I've got the best protection in the world," said Obama, reprising a line he tells supporters who raise the issue with him. "So stop worrying."

Yet worry they do, with the spring of 1968 seared into their memories, when the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Sen. Robert Kennedy were assassinated in a span of two months.

Obama has been surrounded by Secret Service agents since May 3, the earliest a candidate has ever been provided protection. (He reluctantly gave in to the insistent urging of Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., and others in Congress.) As his rallies have swelled, so has his security, nearly rivaling that given to a sitting president.

Among friends and advisers, danger is something Obama rarely mentions.

"It's not something that I'm spending time thinking about day to day," said Obama, who has been given the Secret Service nickname Renegade, a way for agents to quickly identify him. "I think anybody who decides to run for president recognizes that there are some risks involved, just like there are risks in anything."

Not long ago, his advisers worried that some black voters might not support his candidacy out of a fierce desire to protect him. It was a particular concern in South Carolina, but Obama said he believed the worry was also rooted in "a fear of failure."

Now that he has won a string of primaries and caucuses and built a coalition of black and white voters, failure would seem to be less of an issue. The fears, however, remain.

Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, raised concerns in a letter in January to Secret Service officials. Thompson said he wrote the letter without discussing it with Obama, whom he has endorsed.

"His candidacy is so unique to this country and so important that the last thing you would want is for him not to have the opportunity to fulfill the role of a potential presidential nominee," Thompson said. "It's out of an abundance of caution that I wrote the letter, rather than keep our fingers crossed and pray."

Before Obama decided to run, he discussed his safety with his family. His campaign employed a team of private security guards before he was placed under Secret Service protection. Since then, he has grown fond of the agents who surround him, inviting them to watch the Super Bowl at his home in Chicago and playing basketball with them on the days he awaits election results.

The agency defended its procedures after a newspaper report last week said weapons checks were suspended to speed the lines of people waiting to get into an Obama rally in Dallas.

Obama was reticent in speaking about his security or the period in U.S. history that is often raised -- without prompting -- by voters who are interviewed at his campaign events.

"Obviously, it was an incredible national trauma," Obama said. "But neither Bobby Kennedy nor Martin Luther King had Secret Service protection."

Indeed, the assassination of Kennedy in 1968, when Obama was 6, prompted Congress to pass a law authorizing protection of major presidential and vice-presidential candidates.

In this campaign, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York has had Secret Service protection from the beginning, because she is a former first lady. None of the other candidates accepted it during their primary campaigns, and Sen. John McCain does not have Secret Security protection at this time.

Gerald Posner, author of books on the assassinations of John Kennedy and King, said he did not believe Obama was under a significantly higher risk than President Bush or Hillary Clinton. The fears are more openly discussed, he said, because he is the first black candidate to come this close to winning a major party's presidential nomination.

"Barack scares those of us who think of the possibility of an assassination in a different way," he said. "He represents so much hope and change. That is exactly what was taken away from us in the 1960s."
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Barak Obama's secret service codename is 'Renegade'? How frigging cool is that? What's Hillary's codename, 'White Bitch'?
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As an aside, did anyone notice this:
"It's not something that I'm spending time thinking about day to day," said Obama, who has been given the Secret Service nickname Renegade, a way for agents to quickly identify him.
Renegade versus Maverick.
Sounds like a 50's TV western. :lol:
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Barak Obama's secret service codename is 'Renegade'? How frigging cool is that? What's Hillary's codename, 'White Bitch'?
HRC's codename is "Evergreen."
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Barak Obama's secret service codename is 'Renegade'? How frigging cool is that? What's Hillary's codename, 'White Bitch'?
HRC's codename is "Evergreen."
Because she's always gray and frosty?
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