Why is McCain better than Hillary?

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2008-02-26 06:45am

I've seen this a couple of times now; people saying that if Hillary slimes Obama out of the nomination somehow, they'll vote for McCain instead, but I have to ask, why is that?

I mean, sure, Hillary's playing dirty at the moment, but McCain doesn't really have to play dirty for survival right now, whereas Hillary does. If the situation were reversed and McCain was a democrat (as the almighty Fox News believes), would his campaign crew be any less vile and low? I sincerely doubt it. I've not seen anything that implies he is any less of a douche than Hillary (and it's not like she ever blew the ID proponents).

If the election rolled around and it was Clinton vs McCain, why would McCain and the republican troupe be better for the world than Hillary?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2008-02-26 09:56am

Because people are tired of the powermongering in Washington. Sure, roles reversed i can see McCain doing it but he's not actively doing it right now while in this scenario Hillary is.

If the average voter is tired to shit of power grabs and what not, thanks to King George for that, anyone perceived to be doing the same will probably get their backlash. Hell, Huckabee got that back lash in the GOP when a lot of people feel he screwed Romney out of his shot when he himself stood no chance. I hear a lot of people locally bitching that if Huck is a part of McCains ticket they'll vote for the dems.

It would seem the Dems are no different in the general feeling.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2008-02-26 11:36am

For the reasons Knife has already iterated. In addition, voting for McCain now means we can vote for Obama again in four years. And quite frankly, McCain is more in the mold of Gerry Ford (i.e., a caretaker president, not going to accomplish or fuck up much) than Chimp. I'd rather have four years of McCain's ineffectiveness than four years of queen bitch Hillary Clinton who's willing to do anything to win, including stealing elections.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2008-02-26 11:56am

Hillary was the most hated person in America in the 1990s, a fact that tends to be glossed over now, but certainly lingers in the back of peoples' minds.

Tanasinn · Post by **Tanasinn** » 2008-02-26 12:05pm

I personally don't see a meaningful difference between the two, but in the event that Clinton weaseled her way to victory over Obama, I'd vote McCain just to deny her they White House.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2008-02-26 12:08pm

Zuul wrote:
If the election rolled around and it was Clinton vs McCain, why would McCain and the republican troupe be better for the world than Hillary?

Has McCain ever said or implied that he was going to do whatever it took to win the White House, popular vote be damned?

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2008-02-26 02:30pm

Sorry, but McCain is George W Bush 2. He wants to stay in Iraq "forever" and doesn't seem to hold any real policy differences. If you vote McCain over Clinton, then you're a fucking idiot.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2008-02-26 02:43pm

Flagg wrote:Sorry, but McCain is George W Bush 2. He wants to stay in Iraq "forever" and doesn't seem to hold any real policy differences. If you vote McCain over Clinton, then you're a fucking idiot.

Hillary - wants to steal a nomination
Chimp - successfully stole an election

McCain - hasn't stolen any elections

Do you get it yet?

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2008-02-26 02:50pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:
Flagg wrote:Sorry, but McCain is George W Bush 2. He wants to stay in Iraq "forever" and doesn't seem to hold any real policy differences. If you vote McCain over Clinton, then you're a fucking idiot.
Hillary - wants to steal a nomination
Chimp - successfully stole an election

McCain - hasn't stolen any elections

Do you get it yet?

OMG, Hillary is still in da race, she must want to stealz da nomination!!!

Bullshit. Policy differences in the general election fucking matter. I don't like Clinton, but I'd vote for her over anyone as flat out wrong as McCain is. If you vote for John McCain then you're voting for 4 more years of the same retarded horseshit we've gotten with Bush, hence: Fucking idiot.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2008-02-26 03:03pm

Flagg wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:
Flagg wrote:Sorry, but McCain is George W Bush 2. He wants to stay in Iraq "forever" and doesn't seem to hold any real policy differences. If you vote McCain over Clinton, then you're a fucking idiot.
Hillary - wants to steal a nomination
Chimp - successfully stole an election

McCain - hasn't stolen any elections

Do you get it yet?
OMG, Hillary is still in da race, she must want to stealz da nomination!!!

Bullshit. Policy differences in the general election fucking matter. I don't like Clinton, but I'd vote for her over anyone as flat out wrong as McCain is. If you vote for John McCain then you're voting for 4 more years of the same retarded horseshit we've gotten with Bush, hence: Fucking idiot.

If Hillary steals the nomination, and you still vote for her, you're voting for someone with the same character as our current President. Character matters too

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2008-02-26 03:13pm

Zuul wrote:I've seen this a couple of times now; people saying that if Hillary slimes Obama out of the nomination somehow, they'll vote for McCain instead, but I have to ask, why is that?

One thing some people seem to be missing - I can only speak for myself, but if Hillary wins the nomination properly (i.e., by getting a majority of the electorate to vote for her, a near impossibility at thing point, but still technically possible), I'd happily vote for her. The Hillary vs. McCain issue, at least for me, is not about whether I like/dislike Hillary Clinton - it's about whether she steals the nomination away from Obama in a naked power grab.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2008-02-26 03:15pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:
Flagg wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote: Hillary - wants to steal a nomination
Chimp - successfully stole an election

McCain - hasn't stolen any elections

Do you get it yet?
OMG, Hillary is still in da race, she must want to stealz da nomination!!!

Bullshit. Policy differences in the general election fucking matter. I don't like Clinton, but I'd vote for her over anyone as flat out wrong as McCain is. If you vote for John McCain then you're voting for 4 more years of the same retarded horseshit we've gotten with Bush, hence: Fucking idiot.
If Hillary steals the nomination, and you still vote for her, you're voting for someone with the same character as our current President. Character matters too

How is that? I mean you're making the assumption that the only way she could win it is by "stealing" it, which is retarded, since super delegates are there for the express purpose of countering the popular sentiments of the voters is the party feels that they are pushing for a candidate that cannot win. You're also making the utterly retarded assertion that a political parties leadership putting pressure on delegates to vote to nominate the leaderships choice is anything at all akin to literally stealing an election through illegal means.

And John McCain has better character than Hillary Clinton? The guy that got tortured, yet still voted to allow it? The guy that got slimed by Bush in 2000, yet immediately rolled over for him? The guy that went to Iraq wearing body armor and had a massive military guard for a photo op and then claimed it proved Iraq was won? The guy who cozied up to the religious right and lied about his religion to get votes? The guy who portrays himself as a crusader against lobbyists, yet is so close and chummy with them that his staff actually thought he was fucking one? That guy? He's got better character than Clinton? Really? So much better that it offsets his utterly retarded policy positions? Positions which almost mirror those of George W. Bush?

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2008-02-26 03:16pm

I'll vote Hillary if she wins the primary, but I won't be happy about it. Cementing Democratic control of the presidency and Congress is more important than "good character".

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2008-02-26 03:17pm

Jadeite wrote:I'll vote Hillary if she wins the primary, but I won't be happy about it. Cementing Democratic control of the presidency and Congress is more important than "good character".

Exactly. And let's not forget one of the things Bush was campaigning on was his "character".

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-02-26 03:41pm

I think part of it is that McCain is hated and loathed by the Far-Right, folks like Rush Limbaugh consider him a traitor to the Conservative cause. That, by itself, means that he must be doing something right.

You learn much by seeing who a person's enemies are, not just who their friends are.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2008-02-26 03:51pm

Flagg wrote:

How is that? I mean you're making the assumption that the only way she could win it is by "stealing" it, which is retarded, since super delegates are there for the express purpose of countering the popular sentiments of the voters is the party feels that they are pushing for a candidate that cannot win.

Besides being implied in the OT which I beleive he was talking to or about; democrate party rules aren't necessarily the be all and end all to independents. Sure if your a dem and you voted for or tacidly accepted the dem rules, cool. I didn't and if Hilary wins with either straight out ripping it off and/or super technicalities, then yeah fuck Democrate rules.

You're also making the utterly retarded assertion that a political parties leadership putting pressure on delegates to vote to nominate the leaderships choice is anything at all akin to literally stealing an election through illegal means.

Maybe maybe not. But not all Dems are going to think of it as you do. If the dems vote for Obama in the primaries only to have the party leadership say 'nope' to them, there'll be a lot who will defect.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2008-02-26 04:28pm

If you loved the past seven years, you'll love John McCain.

That's really the only thing. Everything else is spin, extremely doctored spin. 10,000 years in Iraq!

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-02-26 05:04pm

Speaking of spin, I would not put it past Faux News to pretend that McCain is hated amongst liberals to deceive and appeal to more people than McCain should.

Battlehymn Republic · Post by **Battlehymn Republic** » 2008-02-26 05:56pm

It's not just Fox. It's Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, and all of the grassroots movement conservatives of Free Republic. Of course, they all dislike Huckabee, too.

Gullible Jones · Post by **Gullible Jones** » 2008-02-26 07:55pm

McCain isn't better than Clinton. The media just likes to paint him that way, because... uh... Honestly I don't know why, but yeah, he sucks.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2008-02-27 01:19am

McCain hasn't been spending the last few months smearing a candidate that I actually like, which for the moment makes me dislike him less than Clinton.

It's purely a subjective, gut reaction, I know, but I'm not voting in this election anyway.

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