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First, the fear ad:

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Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., debuted a campaign ad on Friday with ominous undertones.

"It's 3:00am and your children are asleep," a voice over says in the ad entitled "Children". "There's a phone in the White House, and it's ringing. Something is happening in the world. Your vote will decide who answers that call."

"Whether someone knows the world's leaders, knows the military, someone tested and ready to lead. It's 3am and your children are safe and asleep. Who do you want answering the phone?" the ad concludes.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., pushed back hard against the new ad, which ABC News' George Stephanopoulos described as "the nuclear option" on Friday's "Good Morning America".

Addressing a group of veterans at an American Legion post in Houston, Obama said: "We've seen these ads before. They're the kind that play on peoples' fears to scare up votes."

The tone of the ad -- which echoes the infamous Daisy Ad from the 1964 Johnson-Goldwater presidential race and the red phone ad former Vice President Walter Mondale ran against Gary Hart in their '84 race for the Democratic nomination -- indicates that the Clinton campaign is pulling out the all the stops leading into the Ohio and Texas primaries.

Mondale's ad, where a red phone rang threateningly in the middle of the night while a voiceover asked voters what kind of leader they wanted to "answer that phone", ultimately worked in his favor: Mondale defeated Hart and secured the party nomination, though he lost in November to Ronald Reagan.

"The question is not about picking up the phone," Obama said. "The question is: what kind of judgment will you make when you answer? We've had a 'red phone moment'. It was the decision to invade Iraq. And Senator Clinton gave the wrong answer. George Bush gave the wrong answer. John McCain gave the wrong answer."

The Clinton campaign rejected any comparison to the LBJ "Daisy Ad" saying Clinton's ad was a "positive ad" that featured "very soft images" and was not at all like the Johnson ad.

Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson responded to Obama's accusations of campaign scare tactics by saying, "It is an absolute insult to voters to suggest that a discussion of national security constitutes fear mongering."

"It's a legitimate question," Wolfson said of the "Who do you want answering the phone" ending note of Clinton's ad, pointing out that Obama had agreed on that point in a Friday morning speech at the American Legion. (In fact, Obama did say it was a "legitimate question" quickly following to clarify "the question is not about picking up the phone, the question is 'what kind of judgment will you exercise when you pick up that phone? In fact, we have had a red phone moment: it was the decision to invade Iraq. Sen Clinton gave the wrong answer.")

It seems Roy Spence, the creator of Mondale's red phone ad, borrowed from his own portfolio in creating Clinton's latest ad. Spence joined the New York senator's presidential campaign after New Hampshire.

The Obama campaign also set aside the traditional game of lowering expectations ahead of Tuesday's vote and instead predicted doom and gloom for Camp Clinton.

"They're going to fail and fail miserably," campaign manager David Plouffe told reporters on a conference call.

The Obama campaign says, given the closeness of the polls in Ohio and Texas, it's unlikely Clinton will be able to close the gap among pledged delegates.

According to the Obama campaign math, if Clinton fails to win both states by a comfortable margin -- 10 points or more -- Clinton would need to win 74% of the 611 remaining delegates in order to close the gap.

Officials with the Clinton campaign dispute the Obama math, noting that this scenario does not take into account superdelegates, party leaders who are free to vote for whomever they like.

Clinton officials accuse the Obama campaign of setting an "artificial standard," arguing that neither candidate will reach the requisite number of pledged delegates to secure the nomination without the help of superdelegates.
Then the lawsuit threat:
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AUSTIN -- The Texas Democratic Party is warning that its primary night caucuses could be delayed or disrupted after aides to White House hopeful Hillary Clinton raised the specter of an "imminent" lawsuit over its complicated delegate selection process, officials said Thursday night.

In a letter sent late Thursday to both the Clinton and Barack Obama campaigns, Texas Democratic Party attorney Chad Dunn warned that a lawsuit could ruin the Democrats' effort to re-energize voters just as they are turning out in record numbers.

Spokesmen from both campaigns maintained that there were no plans to sue before the primary on Tuesday.

"It has been brought to my attention that one or both of your campaigns may already be planning or intending to pursue litigation against the Texas Democratic Party," Dunn said in the letter, obtained by the Star-Telegram. "Such action could prove to be a tragedy for a reinvigorated Democratic process."

Democratic Party sources who asked not to be identified because of the potential for litigation said that representatives from both campaigns had made it clear they are keeping all their options open but that the Clinton campaign in particular had warned of an impending lawsuit.

'Imminent threat'

"Both campaigns have made it clear that they would go there if they had to, but I think the imminent threat is coming from one campaign," said one top Democratic official, referring to the Clinton campaign. The official spoke on condition of anonymity.

Another Democratic source who was privy to the often intense discussions confirmed that representatives of the New York senator's campaign had issued veiled threats in a telephone call this week.

"Officials from Sen. Clinton's campaign at several times throughout the call raised the specter of 'challenging the process,'" the official said. "The call consisted of representatives from both campaigns and the Democratic Party."

The source, who was not authorized to speak about the matter on the record, said Clinton's political director, Guy Cecil, had pointedly raised the possibility of a courtroom battle.

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But Adrienne Elrod, Clinton's top Texas spokeswoman, said that campaign and party officials had merely discussed primary night procedures and that the campaign was seeking a written agreement in advance. She could not elaborate on the details of the agreement the Clinton campaign is seeking. "It is our campaign's standard operating procedure that we need to see what we are agreeing to in writing before we agree to it," Elrod said. "No legal action is being taken. We have no reason to take any legal action."

Obama spokesman Josh Earnest said the campaign had no plans to sue.

"We're confident that by working closely with the Texas Democratic Party and the Clinton campaign we'll have a caucus that Texans can be proud of -- because every eligible voter will be allowed to participate and have their vote counted in a timely manner," Earnest said.

The letter to the two campaigns did not specify what procedures or rules might trigger a lawsuit. But one party official said the campaigns were most concerned about the caucus process, or, as the party refers to it, the "precinct conventions." Texas has 228 delegates, the biggest single cache remaining.

But only 126 delegates are doled out based on the selection voters make at the ballot box. Sixty-seven delegates -- more than many states' entire share -- are to be apportioned based on the number of people who participate in the caucuses that begin in over 8,000 precincts once the polls close at 7 p.m. Tuesday.

The remaining 35 are so-called superdelegates, high-ranking party officials free to support whomever they choose and can switch votes when they wish.

Every delegate counts

The intense competition between Obama and Clinton has made every delegate a precious commodity. In past years, the caucuses generated little attention or interest. Now, questions are being raised about procedures, whether there's enough space to accommodate participants and how the results will be recorded and reported. Democrats have described the enthusiasm in Texas, as evidenced by the record turnout among early voters in the most populous counties, as a sign that the party is undergoing a revival after years of decline under virtually unchallenged Republican rule.

Dunn, the Democratic Party attorney, said it could all be for naught if the Texas nomination battle winds up in court.

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Between the ad that could have been lifted from Bush's 2004 campaign to the possible lawsuit in Texas, the smell of desparation is getting stronger.
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Obama's responses to Hillary's attacks have been absolutely perfect.
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Like a retard with a football helmet banging his head impotently against a brick wall the Clintons seem incapable of not running negative. They have to attack, its in their fucking blood it seems. She was in a debate where she went negative and people booed her and she still doesn't get the hint. Fuck her. The quicker she gets booted to the dustbin of irrelevant past presidential candidates the better.

As to the lawsuit, if your staff didn't understand the Texas system until it was too late then that's not my fault. Don't go suing the state like a whiney bitch because you're not getting your way. It's not being very presidential dummy.
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I with Stravo on this one. Even if she didn't bother to do any research or scouting in Texas at all, she's still had 4 weeks in which to actually notice and complain - why now? It's not as if Texas's complicated delegate selection rules have been in secret up until this point, and frankly, the time to file a lawsuit would have much earlier, when it wouldn't make you look like a petulant, desperate loser.

To be perfectly honest, Clinton's "Red Phone Moment" is pretty weak. Johnson's Daisy Ad makes it look like a bloody compliment. Seriously, watch Johnson's ad then watch Clinton's.
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"The question is not about picking up the phone," Obama said. "The question is: what kind of judgment will you make when you answer? We've had a 'red phone moment'. It was the decision to invade Iraq. And Senator Clinton gave the wrong answer. George Bush gave the wrong answer. John McCain gave the wrong answer."
Owned.

Obama (and his campaign) is simply to good at replying to any negative attacks. A bit more about the way they are shooting this attack right back at Hillary Clinton, and some more desperation from the Clinton Campaign.
Politico.com wrote: Obama aide: Clinton will ‘fail' Tuesday

By: Mike Allen and Ben Smith
Feb 29, 2008 11:30 AM EST

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe predicted flatly Friday that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) will “fail” to make meaningful progress toward the presidential nomination in the big Ohio and Texas primaries on Tuesday.

“They have a huge task in front of them, which is to try to erase this pledged delegate lead,” Plouffe said on a conference call with reporters. “They are going to fail by that measure. … This isn’t whether they can skate by and win the popular vote narrowly.”

Plouffe’s tough talk also showed the Obama campaign is going to hit back hard at Clinton for her new ad designed to tap into voters’ fears about national security.

“It’s 3 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep,” the male narrator says. “But there’s a phone in the White House and it’s ringing. Something’s happening in the world. Your vote will decide who answers that call.”

The ad has echoes of a famous “red telephone” spot that Roy Spence, now a Clinton adviser, made in 1984 for former Vice President Walter Mondale when he was seeking the Democratic nomination against Gary Hart.

Plouffe said dismissively: “Senator Clinton has already had her red phone moment, and it was the [2002] decision whether to allow George Bush to invade Iraq. She answered affirmatively. She did not read the National Intelligence Estimate, so she didn’t do her homework either.”

Plouffe repeated the “red phone” comment several times, saying voters will choose based on judgment. “Do they trust the judgment of these candidates on not just red-phone issues, but generally, … both domestically and internationally?” he asked.

At the start of the call, Plouffe read back predictions by Clinton campaign officials that they would be nearly tied – or even ahead – in the delegate count after March 4, an eventuality that now seems unlikely even if Clinton has a strong day.

“Those are their own benchmarks,” Plouffe said. “The Clinton campaign has to begin winning big states by big margins to have any hope of erasing this delegate deficit. … The most likely outcome Tuesday is not a huge delegate swing either way.”

The latest CBS News delegate count has Obama at 1,373 and Clinton at 1,265. That includes the party insiders known as super delegates. The count for pledged delegates – those allocated based on primaries and caucuses – is Obama at 1,192 and Clinton at 1,035.

Plouffe said that if the Ohio vote is close – say, less than 5 percent – the leader will only pick up three delegates. He referred to the press role as “referees” of how the results will be interpreted, and he sought to convince reporters that even if Clinton wins the popular vote in one of the states, she is likely to still face an insurmountable deficit in the delegate count.

After the call, the Clinton campaign e-mailed a memo entitled, "Obama Must-Wins": "The media has anointed Barack Obama the presumptive nominee and he's playing the part. With an eleven-state winning streak coming out of February, Senator Obama is riding a surge of momentum that has enabled him to pour unprecedented resources into Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont. ... Senator Obama has campaigned hard in these states. He has spent time meeting editorial boards, courting endorsers, holding rallies, and - of course - making speeches. If he cannot win all of these states with all this effort, there's a problem."
Those goalposts must be supersonic at the speed they are being moved around by the Clinton Campaign. Seriously, "If he cannot win all 4 states, we win"?
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My favorite was the Reagan campaign's "There is a Bear in the Woods"...

But as to Hillary... dear God, I am one of many who look forward to the day when we can have a female President, but this woman embodies every negative stereotype about women that typically is the purview of misogynists.

I guarantee that if a couple years ago, an author had written a fiction novel about the first serious female Presidential candidate, and portrayed her as being this petty, vain, vindictive, ligitous, prone to mood swings, shrill, screeching, whiny, alternately hiding behind her husband or scolding him, and crying to stir votes, people would have dogpiled that author as a misogynist prick. But here she is, strutting out on world stage everything that women don't want to be associated with.

I'll gladly accept a woman President-- but not that woman.
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Guardsman Bass wrote:I with Stravo on this one. Even if she didn't bother to do any research or scouting in Texas at all, she's still had 4 weeks in which to actually notice and complain - why now? It's not as if Texas's complicated delegate selection rules have been in secret up until this point, and frankly, the time to file a lawsuit would have much earlier, when it wouldn't make you look like a petulant, desperate loser.
Indeed. Each time she does this she reminds me of a small child throwing sand at a large adult and falling backwards from the knockback. I think it would help her credibility if she would just back down from this constant stream of attacks with grace, but she can't even do that. It's like it's the only thing she knows how to do. And I don't think anyone wants a president who's only area of vague expertise is attacking things repeatedly.
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I wonder what Bill Clinton has to say about this?
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Wow. Did he just completely bag out his entire campaign? :lol:
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No, he said that in 2004 about scare-tactics... There's video of him saying it at the link.
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Oh, and I forgot to mention: For those still worried about Superdelegates turning this thing around:
From 2008 Democratic Convention Watch:
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Cosmic Average wrote:No, he said that in 2004 about scare-tactics... There's video of him saying it at the link.
Sounds like a case of unless its me, huh?
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Stravo wrote:Like a retard with a football helmet banging his head impotently against a brick wall the Clintons seem incapable of not running negative. They have to attack, its in their fucking blood it seems. She was in a debate where she went negative and people booed her and she still doesn't get the hint. Fuck her. The quicker she gets booted to the dustbin of irrelevant past presidential candidates the better.

As to the lawsuit, if your staff didn't understand the Texas system until it was too late then that's not my fault. Don't go suing the state like a whiney bitch because you're not getting your way. It's not being very presidential dummy.
Considering that this is the exact opposite in terms of both positive message and strategic competence of her husband's campaign for the White House, Hillary's implosion has been remarkable to witness.

She's toast. There is no way for her to win this fight legitimately. If she somehow does manage to snatch away the nomination, she cannot win against McCain, as the GOP strategists will cram her every misstep and grasping trick down her throat and the throats of the voters. They'll have a field day against her.

At this point, I'd also wager that she may not even win reelection to the Senate given the ammunition she just keeps handing gratis to the GOP for use against her.

I'd say Hillary sealed her doom by deciding not to call it an election after Wisconsin. That is the point at which her political future ended and which she tainted her husband's legacy (with a bit of help from himself).

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Any chance we can get Laura Roslin to run for Pres? She's intelligent, and hard on terror...

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....And the Obama campaign produces a response ad on the same day :lol: :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=879o1_pxO0c

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Patrick Degan wrote:I'd say Hillary sealed her doom by deciding not to call it an election after Wisconsin. That is the point at which her political future ended and which she tainted her husband's legacy (with a bit of help from himself).

Hillary Clinton has destroyed herself.
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Pu-239 wrote:....And the Obama campaign produces a response ad on the same day :lol: :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=879o1_pxO0c
That's a pretty good fucking add. He doesn't NEED to go negative, not when he's a political campaign judo-master. Nobody turns mud against its' slingers better than he does.
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Talk about giving the opponent enough rope to hang herself. :lol:

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Three thoughts:

1) Obama probably has the fastest pivot of any candidte EVER. I mean ever. His team literally put together a response ad within a few hours that kept him above the fray, rebutted every bit of criticism, and kept the narrative about him. Most political teams couldn't do that with weeks or months to prepare and his guys did it in about 5-10 hours.

2) The Texas lawsuit is the funniest thing ever because Bill Clinton ran under the EXACT SAME RULES and he did it twice. If your campaign can't even think to ask the guy who has done it twice before if there are any quirks to Texas then that's a serious fucking problem.

Last thought. The Nevada caucuses should already have provide to Hillary that the doctrine still stands whereby the courts will not interefere with the internal selection rules for a political party. She's already lost this fight once and it would give an eventual Senate opponent a field day to have her try it twice.
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Pu-239 wrote:....And the Obama campaign produces a response ad on the same day :lol: :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=879o1_pxO0c
This one's even better: http://www.coudal.com/3am.php
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You know whats even better?

Look at this video from JANUARY:

Who do you want to answer the phone?

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One thing you can say about Hillary is that she's providing Obama with plenty of practice for what he'll be up against over the next few months.
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Is it just me, or did Hillary try to steal Giuliani's line of 'tested and ready'?
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D.Turtle wrote:You know whats even better?

Look at this video from JANUARY:

Who do you want to answer the phone?

No comment.
Wait, what?

Did she... did she plagarize the ad!?

Clearly it's time to bust out the torches and pitchforks.
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