EAS Cease-Fire and Debate Challenge

[XaLEv]

Guess who has added his voice to it all?

http://scn.infopop.net/0/OpenTopic?a=tp ... 2120964745

Just in case...



Okay, I'd managed, somehow, to keep my mouth shut before, in keeping with the moderators' interests for peace. But now, I must respond to the egomaniac.

"No! For battle, come to me!"
- Worf

"Slander", Mike? You ought to know better what slander is. Bernd saying that . . .

"there are several people over there [SD.Net BBS] who at least stay civilized, consider the opponent's arguments and don't take it down to personal insults. But Wong does not seem to be among them."

. . . is not slander. Or, do you deny that you feel maturity is unnecessary in debates, as per your own Hate Mail page, deny that you ignore opposition arguments, and deny that you break out insults at the drop of a hat?

And why all this insistence on a public debate with Bernd? It isn't like you could even take me in public debate, and the recent website sniping efforts you and your fellow me-haters engaged in certainly aren't going well. You sure you want to go up against Bernd, given your track record?

Given how often you try to lord your degree over the heads of any opponent, I'd guess you're just upset that Bernd is properly addressed as Dr. Schneider . . . something you can't match. It burns at you, doesn't it? I bet you've watched with keen interest as your minions followed in your footsteps and tried to find out about his degree, so you could try to argue against its validity as you tried to do against Graham Kennedy.

Ah, but you see, Mike, there's an important difference between someone like Bernd and the likes of you. Your interest is ego . . . public persona . . . appearances . . . disciples. Hence your attempt to goad the good doctor with the use of the term "coward" . . . hence the reason I was finally able to goad you into accepting a rational debate by rattling your egomania.

Bernd is interested in enjoying Star Trek, running his site on the topic, and enjoying his board (and keeping the peace there). He could care less about the ravings of an angry little Canadian.

Now, I suggest that you go back to your BBS and shut the hell up, instead of sullying his with your stupid poodle-yippings. If you want yet another public beating, then *I* will happily deliver it.

Want some? Come get some. Respond via my site's feedback. The topic should end here as far as SCN goes.

(Felis, Nathan, etc. . . . sorry. If you need to edit this, I understand. Just trying to put "STFU" in a way he'd comprehend.)



End delusion.

[Darth Wong]

Okay, I'd managed, somehow, to keep my mouth shut before, in keeping with the moderators' interests for peace. But now, I must respond to the egomaniac.

"No! For battle, come to me!"
- Worf

"Slander", Mike? You ought to know better what slander is. Bernd saying that . . .

"there are several people over there [SD.Net BBS] who at least stay civilized, consider the opponent's arguments and don't take it down to personal insults. But Wong does not seem to be among them."

. . . is not slander. Or, do you deny that you feel maturity is unnecessary in debates, as per your own Hate Mail page, deny that you ignore opposition arguments, and deny that you break out insults at the drop of a hat? And don't even try to cry foul over issues like post deletion or saying something disagreeable about a person. That's your can of worms . . . don't cry because you can't close it.

And why all this insistence on a public debate with Bernd? It isn't like you could even take me in public debate, and the recent website sniping efforts you and your fellow me-haters engaged in certainly aren't going well. You sure you want to go up against Bernd, given your track record?

Given how often you try to lord your degree over the heads of any opponent, I'd guess you're just upset that Bernd is properly addressed as Dr. Schneider . . . something you can't match. It burns at you, doesn't it? I bet you've watched with keen interest as your minions followed in your footsteps and tried to find out about his degree, so you could try to argue against its validity as you tried to do against Graham Kennedy.

Ah, but you see, Mike, there's an important difference between someone like Bernd and the likes of you. Your interest is ego . . . public persona . . . appearances . . . disciples. Hence your attempt to goad the good doctor with the use of the term "coward" . . . hence the reason I was finally able to goad you into accepting a rational debate by rattling your egomania.

Bernd is interested in enjoying Star Trek, running his site on the topic, and enjoying his board (and keeping the peace there). He could care less about the ravings of an angry little Canadian.

Now, I suggest that you go back to your BBS and shut the hell up, instead of sullying his with your stupid poodle-yippings. If you want yet another public beating, then *I* will happily deliver it.

Want some? Come get some. Respond via my site's feedback. The topic should end here as far as SCN goes.

I responded with the following:

As usual, notice how Darkstar does not make a single point that is not an attack on character, derogatory insult, chest-beating declaration that he's better than me, etc. Endless projection of his own psychological weaknesses onto me.

In fact, since our debate your entire focus of commentary has been on my personality, hasn't it? After being embarrassed with your utterly laughable claims about 35mm film cameras having a fixed 35mm focal length and "gigawatts per second" being a measure of energy similar to "kilowatt-hours", I see that mud-slinging is all that you have left.

And in true form, the forum moderators have nuked all of my recent posts in this forum but didn't touch yours, even though mine only asked for a debate while yours was nothing but a 100% pure personal attack.

Thanks for confirming what I suspected to be true about this forum. It's OK to attack me and SD.net and everything else you disagree with, but rules of decorum suddenly slam down like a hammer if I dare even challenge Bernd to a civil debate. Some cease-fire.

[Colonel Olrik]

It's the Dark Knight himself.

He's raving something about him having won great battles against Mike Wong, and effectively being able to fight back the current devastation of his site by Mike and his hords. And wanting to beat everyone again..

The poor boy is completely insane. Nothing more than a babbling vegetable. That forum, for all its possible faults, doesn't deserve that.

[Lagmonster]

Mother of hell...

You do not achieve a positive outcome from a Darkstar-involved issue. Keep focussed on Bernd, and don't let Darkie's wall get in the way.

[Phil Skayhan]

Guess who has added his voice to it all?

http://scn.infopop.net/0/OpenTopic?a=tp ... 2120964745

Oh thank you! I needed to have a good laugh. I'm reading it and all I keep hearing in my head is the Python Black Night screaming "I'M INVINCIBLE!"

[Darth Wong]

One more comment, more for the benefit of the SCN people than Darkstar:

BTW, your pathetic fixation with Schneider's degree is yet another sad statement on your hypocrisy, Darkstar.

Did I ever mention my degree at any point during our debate? No. Do I ever use my degree to prove anything? No. Yet you and all of the other people who gleefully slander me in your cowardice pretend that I do both, and then attack me for it.

As for Schneider's degree, this is a man who said to me that the "field-based" technology of phaser banks meant that they should have perfect accuracy. I don't know what his degree is in, but either it's overrated or he is simply unable or unwilling to apply it here.

And you have no reason to talk: the difference between a degree-holder and a graduate degree-holder lies only in their level of specialization and research experience. The difference between a degree-holder and somebody like YOU, on the other hand, is gigantic. You have a lot of nerve even trying to bring this up, since the logical conclusion would lead to all of your analyses being dismissed by default.

[Darth Wong]

I'm sure he'll rant some more, I just wanted to make a point about my mythical habit of "bashing people over the head with my degree", as they keep saying it. How many people here have ever found me telling them that I'm right and they're wrong because I have a degree? Doesn't happen, but that doesn't stop the strawman.

As for the rest of his drivel, I doubt they take him any more seriously than I do. I just wanted to make that point for their benefit.

[Darth Wong]

And of course, the mods get into the act.

He does it because it appears to be the only language you are capable of speaking, Mister Wong.

Tell me, are you capable of making a single post to me without attacking my character? I'm just curious.

[Stravo]

I don't mean to inject myself into a debate that I have nothing to do with, but why do we even bother with these people? If they are rabid trekkies as they seem to be AND they harbor scum the likes of Scooter, I say let them languish in their moronic morass of stupidity. They can continue wanking it to whatever floats their boat.

We are fine where we are, we know where we stand, you've proven that their admin is someone who doesn't want to participate in a vs. debate, whether that is cowardly or dishonest he will have to live with that.

Think of it as the end of ST II: "You've proven that you are superior, we have genesus we can go wherever we want." Let it fucking be because these fucktards aren't worth an iota of any more effort or time.

Sorry, had to say my peace.

[Darth Wong]

True. I just felt they were a little too comfortable with their airs of superiority, that's all.

[Lagmonster]

In many ways, this whole mess is the online equivalent a pair of wolfpacks snarling at each other packs' alpha male. I doubt that vs. debates matter one drop to Mike's detractors. If at all, they're displaying basic jealousy that Mike holds the high ground so well, and seek an easy way to make the man seem weak because they cannot attack his position.

[Darth Wong]

OK, I'm bowing out of their forums. Last post, in response to "Kegg's" post saying that Schneider's "feel free to declare yourself the winner" post essentially constituted a concession:

I would have preferred that Mr. Schneider either engage me in debate or admit his attacks on my character cross the line, rather than acting as though the issue is trivial. However, if this is all that he is capable of, then I suppose it will have to do.

Since you have all demonstrated nothing but hatred for me even though I've never done anything to any of you, I suppose I might as well leave now. Feel free to congratulate yourselves on making the heathen feel as unwelcome as possible.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

And with that last little bit of insanity of the EAS board, maybe life at SD.NET can return to normal.

Which isn't to say they won't be slamming our board for many eons to come. Takes all kinds, I guess.

[Darth Wong]

And with that last little bit of insanity of the EAS board, maybe life at SD.NET can return to normal.

Which isn't to say they won't be slamming our board for many eons to come. Takes all kinds, I guess.

Ah, but we now have this thread to link to whenever someone brings up EAS, so we won't have to repeat ourselves or waste time on the issue.

[NecronLord]

*Reads darkstar's delusions*

I actually fell off my chair laughing then.

Really.

I am fortunately unhurt.

[Darth Balls]

What Darkstar says is not even worth acknowledgment.
As for Bernd, he said himself he wouldn’t debate you. It’s the smarter thing for him to do since he would lose. Can’t blame him for not wanting to be embarrassed in front of his minions can you?

[Colonel Olrik]

Mike has dragged us to a board war

He then edited his message to:

Mike, you have done nothing benevolent to any of us. Stop hiding behind your self-righteous arrogance, and your crusade against 'the trekkies'. It's good to see on my side of the net.

P.S. Welcome to SCN.

Now, this has nothing to do with that board, only with engineer_00, also a member of SD.net.

Obviously, you have a grudge against a bunch of meanies who presented logical facts against your ideas on God and Creationism. Without reason, you chose to leave this board with a "bang", in your own words, and provoked that debate.

Your grudge is thus not against Mike, but against me and some other members who debated you. Mike is just an excuse for you to vent your grudges. Don't pretend you're in the same situation as the others of SCN who have never posted here.

I'm not registering there, since it would serve no purpose other than wasting my time. But I dare you to come here and debate your frustations with me, alone.

[Darth Wong]

Are we the only sci-fi board around which is actually willing to think scientifically, and dismiss creationism for the ignorant bullshit that it is? I find it stunningly paradoxical that there are so many sci-fi websites out there that spout science terms continuously but contain a strong majority which either humours or outright promotes creationist stupidity.

EAS should not be singled out; this is actually VERY common on sci-fi boards of all stripes. I do seriously think we seem to be the only sci-fi board where:

1. Creationism is revealed for the bullshit that it is
2. Fundamentalism is revealed for the evil that it is
3. The "atheism is a religion" line is revealed for the outrageous stupidity that it is
4. Homophobic gay-bashers take more heat than they give

There's something wrong with sci-fi communities in which "science" is given a back seat to virtually everything else. Why bother calling it "science fiction" if the first thing everyone wants to do is throw science out the window?

[Ender]

Guess who has added his voice to it all?

http://scn.infopop.net/0/OpenTopic?a=tp ... 2120964745

I was wondering when the fuck he would show up.

[HemlockGrey]

I'm listening to 'Sympathy for the Devil' has I read this.

How apropos.

[Darth Wong]

Well, that was certainly entertaining, wasn't it? I'm waiting for Bernd to reply to my E-mail, but I doubt I'll get a reply.

Never a dull moment

[Malecoda]

So fucking what?

The fact that you don't want me to stop them from saying things that piss you off is rather interesting. It sounds like you WANT to be POed with them and keep flamming them. You don't want them to become good debaters because then you wouldn't have people to flame.

All I read from that was "don't worry about other people".

[Lagmonster]

Are we the only sci-fi board around which is actually willing to think scientifically, and dismiss creationism for the ignorant bullshit that it is? I find it stunningly paradoxical that there are so many sci-fi websites out there that spout science terms continuously but contain a strong majority which either humours or outright promotes creationist stupidity.

Bear in mind that you didn't create the board as an open ended forum. You created, and moderate it, as a reflection of your views and interests, and you have fans, friends, and supporters who share your views and interests. I think you should think of this board as a very wide reflection of yourself, Mike.

You care more about science and logic than having a high user count or pandering to a wolfpack of minions who think you're amazing. You don't care about being worshipped or coddling idiots. Your board is the same way. Once again, your community (us) are a very wide reflection of you. Now...whether you like that or not...that's your boat, but it might serve to answer your question.

Just take a look at 'the SD.net community' as a moral and intellectual entity and see what it resembles, I suppose.

[Montcalm]

There is something i want to know why this war between star trek and star wars fans when there is lots of people who says sci-fi fans including ST and SW are idiots.

me i like all sci-fi

PEACE BETWEEN ALL SCI-FI FANS.

[Darth Balls]

That's the thing though, it's not a debate as to which is your personal favorite. Nowhere on this site will you see 'I like star wars more' used to explain why if the factions of Trek met the factions of Wars, that Trek would get stomped into the ground.
Favoritism is irrelevant. Abilities are all that matter.

The debate is not "Do you like Star Trek or Star Wars more" but "Who would win, Star Trek or Star Wars?"