Obama smear-mail from my Hillary-loving grandma

[Galvatron]

Say What, Barrack?

By Paul R. Hollrah

Tuning in to C-Span recently, I found myself listening to a speech by Senator Barrack Hussein Obama, Jr. He was standing in the pulpit of a black church in Selma, Alabama, and as I studied the body language of the dozen or so black ministers standing behind the senator, I couldn't help but be reminded of the little head-bobbing dolls that people used to place in the rear windows of their 1957 Chevrolets. If their reactions are any indication, the new "Schlickmeister" of the Democrat Party is actually a pretty accomplished public speaker.

However, as he spoke, I found my b.s. alarm going off, repeatedly. But I couldn't quite figure out why until I actually read excerpts of his speech several days later. Here's part of what he said:

"...something happened back here in Selma, Alabama. Something happened in Birmingham that sent out what Bobby Kennedy called, "ripples of hope all around the world." Something happened when a bunch of women decided they were going to walk instead of ride the bus after a long day of doing somebody else's laundry, looking after somebody else's children.

"When (black) men who had PhD's decided 'that's enough' and 'we're going to stand up for our dignity,' that sent a shout across oceans so that my grandfather began to imagine something different for his son. His son, who grew up herding goats in a small village in Africa could suddenly set his sights a little higher and believe that maybe a black man in this world had a chance.

"So the Kennedy's decided we're going to do an airlift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

"This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great- grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that, (in) the world as it has been, it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama , because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. Was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama ."

Okay, so what's wrong with that? It all sounds good. But is it?

Obama told his audience that, because some folks had the courage to "march across a bridge" in Selma, Alabama, his mother, a white woman from Kansas , and his father, a black Muslim from Africa, took heart. It gave them the courage to get married and have a child. The problem with that characterization is that Barrack Obama, Jr., was born on August 4, 1961, while the first of three marches across that bridge in Selma didn't occur until March 7, 1965, at least five years after Obama's parents met.

Obama went on to tell his audience that the Kennedys, Jack and Bobby, decided to do an airlift. They would bring some young Africans over so that they could be educated and learn all about America. His grandfather heard that call and sent his son, Barrack Obama, Sr., to America.

The problem with that scenario is that, having been born in August 1961, the future senator was not conceived until sometime in November 1960. So if this African grandfather heard words that ''sent a shout across oceans,'' inspiring him to send his goat-herder son to America, it was not a Democrat Jack Kennedy he heard, nor his brother Bobby, it was a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Obama's speech is reminiscent of Al Gore's claim of having invented the Internet, Hillary Clinton's claim of having been named after the first man to climb Mt. Everest, even though she was born five years and seven months before Sir Edmund climbed the mountain, and John Kerry's imaginary trip to Cambodia .

As one of my black friends, Eddie Huff, has said, "We need to ask some very serious questions of the senator from Illinois . It's not enough to be black, it's not enough to be articulate, and it's not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye, will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince."

[FSTargetDrone]

Say What, Barrack?

By Paul R. Hollrah

Tuning in to C-Span recently, I found myself listening to a speech by Senator Barrack Hussein Obama, Jr.

Man, they really do love to emphasize the name, as if it's some sort of slur.

(bolding mine)

[Havok]

Say What, Barrack?

By Paul R. Hollrah

Tuning in to C-Span recently, I found myself listening to a speech by Senator Barrack Hussein Obama, Jr.

Man, they really do love to emphasize the name, as if it's some sort of slur.

(bolding mine)

People say/write Hillary Rodham Clinton all the time.

[FSTargetDrone]

People say/write Hillary Rodham Clinton all the time.

Yes, but a number of people have made an effort to emphasize the man's name, to slip the idea into the minds of certain voters that he is Muslim. It's no accident.

[That NOS Guy]

As one of my black friends, Eddie Huff, has said, "We need to ask some very serious questions of the senator from Illinois . It's not enough to be black, it's not enough to be articulate, and it's not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye, will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince."

What an interesting choice of a lead-in. It's almost like the "I'm not racist, my best friend is black!" preamble.

That, and I'd really like to see the actual speech.

[Havok]

People say/write Hillary Rodham Clinton all the time.

Yes, but a number of people have made an effort to emphasize the man's name, to slip the idea into the minds of certain voters that he is Muslim. It's no accident.

So every time someone says his full name, he is trying to show us he is an evil Muslim? The author said his name, his full name, including the Jr. Throughout the rest of the piece he didn't use Hussein again. So why, at the beginning of a piece, when you should identify who you are talking about, is it automatically an evil conspiracy?

[FSTargetDrone]

So every time someone says his full name, he is trying to show us he is an evil Muslim? The author said his name, his full name, including the Jr. Throughout the rest of the piece he didn't use Hussein again. So why, at the beginning of a piece, when you should identify who you are talking about, is it automatically an evil conspiracy?

It is certainly possibly that he used it innocently, and I'll have to concede that without knowing more about the writer.

[Havok]

As one of my black friends, Eddie Huff, has said, "We need to ask some very serious questions of the senator from Illinois . It's not enough to be black, it's not enough to be articulate, and it's not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye, will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince."

What an interesting choice of a lead-in. It's almost like the "I'm not racist, my best friend is black!" preamble.

That, and I'd really like to see the actual speech.

Well if you have that quoted statement in there with out stating that a black person said it, it actually looks racist, much more so the you are imagining it to be.

This piece isn't about black or Muslim, it's about lying. Or at the very least not having your facts straight. And even Galvatron's thread title is stupid, as the author compares Obama's bad facts or lies, to Clinton's.

[Havok]

GE: If anything, this is from a democrat hating republican.

[Soontir C'boath]

Link to the speech.

From looking around it looks like Obama was referring to Rosa Parks and the Women's Political Council which had set up a one-day boycott which had launched the movement. PBS

Also, it was Senator John F. Kennedy who was part of the Airlift Africa program. link

The article in the OP is nothing but bullshit.

[Galvatron]

And even Galvatron's thread title is stupid, as the author compares Obama's bad facts or lies, to Clinton's.

The title is accurate. I received that article in an email from my Obama-hating ("he's a Muslim!"), Hillary-loving grandmother. She ate it up.

[Havok]

And even Galvatron's thread title is stupid, as the author compares Obama's bad facts or lies, to Clinton's.

The title is accurate. I received that article in an email from my Obama-hating ("he's a Muslim!"), Hillary-loving grandmother. She ate it up.

Well did you point out that the article accuses Hillary of the same thing as Obama?

[Galvatron]

No, but I thought it was irrelevant. My grandmother is actually like a Republican these days. You know, they kind who think GWB's excesses are excusable if they can pin the very same thing on Bill Clinton.

[FSTargetDrone]

The title is accurate. I received that article in an email from my Obama-hating ("he's a Muslim!"), Hillary-loving grandmother. She ate it up.

What a dismal world-view it must be to live in to believe something of someone that A.), isn't true and 2.), isn't relevant even if it were true.

Do these people who fear the concept of a Muslim (who isn't) man as potential president think he's going to, what, hand over the keys to the country to some batshit insane Mullah?

[Galvatron]

She thinks he's the Muslim Manchurian Candidate.

[FSTargetDrone]

She thinks he's the Muslim Manchurian Candidate.

Have you told her that he's, um, uh... Christian?

[Galvatron]

She thinks it's an elaborate lie.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

She thinks it's an elaborate lie.

Wow. This certainly is illuminating. Have you asked her whether Hillary Clinton is also a lie?

[Big Phil]

This article is a year old - and from The Conservative Voice

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/saywhat.asp

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/art ... l?id=23407

[Terralthra]

Obama's speech is reminiscent of Al Gore's claim of having invented the Internet, Hillary Clinton's claim of having been named after the first man to climb Mt. Everest, even though she was born five years and seven months before Sir Edmund climbed the mountain, and John Kerry's imaginary trip to Cambodia .

This is my favorite paragraph. Since, you know, Al Gore's claim is actually factually accurate. Sen. Clinton may very well have been named after the man who climbed Mt. Everest; Sir Edmund Hillary was already a mountain climber of some renown before he climbed Everest, after all. The Kerry trip to Cambodia, I'm not familiar enough with to say true or false on.

[Civil War Man]

What really gets me about people thinking Obama is some Islamic Manchurian candidate is that in their mind the terrorists have all this technological innovation but absolutely no strategic thinking.

If I were Cobra Commander...I mean Osama Bin Laden...I wouldn't pin my hopes on conquering America via a mole in the White House on a black guy with Hussein in his name. It would be way too risky. I'd use my magical brainwashing technology on some white guy with a really innocuous sounding name, like Bob Smith. He'd be someone who won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Vietnam for rescuing kittens from commie mutants after using his own intestines to hoist the American flag because everyone was out of rope. But don't worry about him being too old, because he has the good looks and vitality of some Harrison Ford/Sean Connery hybrid. He'd be cosmopolitan enough to appeal to city people, but folksy enough that the rural voters would think it'd be just dandy to sit down with him, order a couple beers, and shoot the shit for a few hours.

[Simplicius]

This is because most Americans' experiences with villainy are limited to those moustache-twirling Hollywood types who, let's not forget, are destined to lose. A bad guy who fights to win rather than following the Snidely Whiplash Playbook utterly confounds the American public. Just look at how suicide terrorism is cause for bewilderment over here - it's "not fair," it's "perverted," it's "contrary to all the rules of warfare." Never mind that when your opponent is hampered by rules, avoiding those rules is the first thing to do.

[Glocksman]

Obama's speech is reminiscent of Al Gore's claim of having invented the Internet, Hillary Clinton's claim of having been named after the first man to climb Mt. Everest, even though she was born five years and seven months before Sir Edmund climbed the mountain, and John Kerry's imaginary trip to Cambodia .

This is my favorite paragraph. Since, you know, Al Gore's claim is actually factually accurate. Sen. Clinton may very well have been named after the man who climbed Mt. Everest; Sir Edmund Hillary was already a mountain climber of some renown before he climbed Everest, after all. The Kerry trip to Cambodia, I'm not familiar enough with to say true or false on.

What the hell have you been smoking?

Snopes on Gore and the Internet
Gore's claim is accurate in the sense that he pushed initiatives forward in the Senate that eventually led to the creation of the internet, but 'inventing' it is a stretch.
However, the onus is on the media and not Gore since he never claimed to have invented the internet.

Snopes on Hillary and Sir Hillary.
Snopes's research isn't definitive but given HRC's history of lying when it's convenient, I trust them calling bullshit over her story.

Boston Globe on Cambodia allegations
The consensus is that Kerry did go into Cambodia, but it wasn't during Christmas 1968, especially when you consider that Nixon wasn't the President during this period Kerry claimed was 'seared' into his memory as an example of Nixon's perfidy.



As far as Obama's speech goes, it appears to be reasonably accurate and no more out of line than Gore's claims WRT the internet.
In other words, it's been taken out of context by his opponents.

[Eris]

Say What, Barrack?

By Paul R. Hollrah

Tuning in to C-Span recently, I found myself listening to a speech by Senator Barrack Hussein Obama, Jr.

Man, they really do love to emphasize the name, as if it's some sort of slur.

(bolding mine)

People say/write Hillary Rodham Clinton all the time.

That's because Rodham is her last name. She was born Hillary Diane Rodham, and kept her maiden name after marrying Bill Clinton. In fact, people use her middle name so infrequently that people clearly aren't aware of what it is.

[Covenant]

What really gets me about people thinking Obama is some Islamic Manchurian candidate is that in their mind the terrorists have all this technological innovation but absolutely no strategic thinking.

If I were Cobra Commander...I mean Osama Bin Laden...I wouldn't pin my hopes on conquering America via a mole in the White House on a black guy with Hussein in his name. It would be way too risky. I'd use my magical brainwashing technology on some white guy with a really innocuous sounding name, like Bob Smith. He'd be someone who won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Vietnam for rescuing kittens from commie mutants after using his own intestines to hoist the American flag because everyone was out of rope. But don't worry about him being too old, because he has the good looks and vitality of some Harrison Ford/Sean Connery hybrid. He'd be cosmopolitan enough to appeal to city people, but folksy enough that the rural voters would think it'd be just dandy to sit down with him, order a couple beers, and shoot the shit for a few hours.

Nahh, that's too hard to do. We'd need to have had some time to actually brainwash this guy--you can't just nab him in the middle of nowhere, someone will think something is up. You need some sort of traumatic experience that can cover for it. Best case we'd need some sort of All-American Male war hero who gets captured or lost behind enemy lines, and has to endure... well, years of trauma and abuse. Meanwhile, of course, we're putting him through the brainwashing. But the event will cover for it. Once he's finally released (hopefully without needing to delay said release until the end of the conflict) he can go secretly underground, sever ties to his family under the guise of "war trauma" and start up his new life with a more appropriate and Presidential sleeper cell of a family.