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Olbermann: Clinton "Nuts"

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It is amusing to see the Clinton campaign crash and burn say quickly after having a short-term victory.

Last nights Countdown was just one deadly story after another about the Clinton Campaign. Unfortunately I haven't found a transcript yet, but I'm quite sure there will be some by later today.

Among the things he brings up:
  • Clinton saying she and McCain bring experience to the White House, while Obama only brings a speech.
    Clinton saying she and McCain have "crossed the Commander-in-Chief threshold, but you'll have to ask Senator Obama with respect to his candidacy."
    A senior advisor of the Clinton campaign challenging Obama to run a more positive campaign.
    Clintons communications director comparing Obama to Kenneth Starr.
    Clinton vetoing any attempt at trying to redo the Florida Primary.
    Clinton being very "selective about what votes really count and what don't."
    Clintons "fascination with and positive attitude" towards the man supposed to keep her party or her out of the White House.
    Laura Bush having as much experience as Hillary Clinton has in the topic of 3 AM phone calls.

    And then the biggie:
    Hillary Clintons campaign apparently contacted the Canadian Government telling them not to worry about her Anti-NAFTA rhetoric - the very thing she has bashed Obama about for the last week - and which might have won her the relatively big margin in Ohio.
Here are the links:
Countdown Part 1 - Is Clinton Nuts?
Countdown Part 2 - Clinton praises McCain
Countdown Part 3 - NAFTA Gate
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On top of that, it turns out that of the six people on trial for numerous real estate scams (including Tony Rezko), three gave money to Clinton's campaign and that Rezko himself gave money to Hillary's campaign co-chair.

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The idea that someone who was herself involved with Jim and Susan McDougal, both of whom did prison time (Jim died in prison while Susan was rewarded with a pardon from Bubba for her silence) for Whitewater, while smearing Obama for his tenuous connection to Rezko is beyond chutzpah or gall. It's shamelessness that is borderline sociopathic.
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Elfdart wrote:On top of that, it turns out that of the six people on trial for numerous real estate scams (including Tony Rezko), three gave money to Clinton's campaign and that Rezko himself gave money to Hillary's campaign co-chair.

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The idea that someone who was herself involved with Jim and Susan McDougal, both of whom did prison time (Jim died in prison while Susan was rewarded with a pardon from Bubba for her silence) for Whitewater, while smearing Obama for his tenuous connection to Rezko is beyond chutzpah or gall. It's shamelessness that is borderline sociopathic.
I'm beginning to wonder if Obama is the Antichrist.
After all, a candidate that you, I, and Shep can vote for is obviously supernatural. :lol:
Or perhaps the alternatives are so awful that we are allies of convenience?
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Glocksman wrote:I'm beginning to wonder if Obama is the Antichrist.
After all, a candidate that you, I, and Shep can vote for is obviously supernatural. :lol:
Or perhaps the alternatives are so awful that we are allies of convenience?
Actually, I'm pretty sure Shep isn't even going to vote, because he hates ALL the choices...
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Elfdart wrote:On top of that, it turns out that of the six people on trial for numerous real estate scams (including Tony Rezko), three gave money to Clinton's campaign and that Rezko himself gave money to Hillary's campaign co-chair.

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The idea that someone who was herself involved with Jim and Susan McDougal, both of whom did prison time (Jim died in prison while Susan was rewarded with a pardon from Bubba for her silence) for Whitewater, while smearing Obama for his tenuous connection to Rezko is beyond chutzpah or gall. It's shamelessness that is borderline sociopathic.
What pisses me off about the whole Rezko thing is that while Obama gets slammed for being even slightly associated with him (never mind the fact that the campaign returned all of the money Rezko donated), Clinton takes donations from a law firm under investigation for wide spread sexual harassment. Of course, they won't return the money because the lawsuit is still "ongoing" and none of the accusations have been proven in court.

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Sen. Clinton accepts donations from troubled firm
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 3:50 PM PT
Filed Under: Politics

By Lisa Myers and Jim Popkin, NBC News

Sen. Hillary Clinton has declined to return $170,000 in campaign contributions from individuals at a company accused of widespread sexual harassment, and whose CEO is a disbarred lawyer with a criminal record, federal campaign records show.

The federal government has accused the Illinois management consulting firm, International Profit Associates, or IPA, of a brazen pattern of sexual harassment including "sexual assaults,” “degrading anti-female language" and "obscene suggestions."

In a 2001 lawsuit full of lurid details, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission claims that 103 women employees at IPA were victimized for years. The civil case is ongoing, and IPA vigorously denies the allegations.

"This is by far, hands down, the worst case I've ever experienced," said Diane Smason, one of the EEOC lawyers handling the lawsuit. "Every woman there experienced sex harassment, they were part of a hostile work environment of sex harassment. And this occurred from the top down."

Sen. Clinton’s spokesman, Howard Wolfson, told NBC News in a statement that the senator decided to keep the funds because the lawsuit is "ongoing" and because none of the sexual harassment allegations has been proven in court. "With regard to the pending harassment suit, as a general matter, the campaign assesses findings of fact in deciding whether to return contributions," Wolfson said.

Allegations:
Adrienne Slick, who worked at IPA for seven months in 2000 and 2001 as a business coordinator and is now part of the EEOC suit, told NBC News in an interview that the sexual harassment was oppressive. “I had multiple managers come at me, press themselves up against me ... ask me to go home with them, and to a hotel room so they could fulfill their fantasies," she said.

The EEOC lawyers say the man at the top of the firm - IPA founder and Managing Director John R. Burgess - was among the worst offenders. The EEOC lawsuit claims, “The harassment emanated from the top: the owner and Managing Director, John Burgess, is accused of sexual harassment by at least 10 different women.”

Burgess has a criminal record, too. The former lawyer pleaded guilty to attempted grand larceny in 1987 and was disbarred in New York, court documents show. Burgess also pleaded guilty to “patronizing a prostitute” in 1984, according to Erie County, N.Y., court records.

Still, none of that has stopped powerful politicians in both parties from being courted by Burgess and IPA. Since 2000, IPA officials and their family members have given Sen. Clinton at least $170,000 for her Senate and presidential campaigns, federal campaign records show. Senator Clinton also spoke at a company event and rode on an IPA jet in 2004.

In May 2006, the New York Times brought Burgess's criminal history, and the allegations against IPA, to Sen. Clinton's attention. The May 7, 2006, article was titled “Rubbing Shoulders with Trouble, and Presidents.” In the article, a spokeswoman for Sen. Clinton was quoted as saying the Senator was not aware of Burgess’s criminal past and "will be reviewing" the contributions.

Almost two years later, federal records indicate that Sen. Clinton still has not returned the IPA money. Howard Wolfson, her communications director, did not dispute the $170,000 figure in an email to NBC News. He said Senator Clinton was not aware of Burgess’s past legal problems when she first accepted the donations. "In 2000 and 2003 when Sen. Clinton's campaign accepted money from Burgess, it was not aware of his legal problems from the 1980s," he said.

However, there were public reports of allegations against Burgess as early as 2000. That’s the year that Inc. Magazine first reported that Burgess had patronized a prostitute and had pleaded guilty to attempted grand larceny. And Senator Clinton’s campaign has accepted other contributions from other senior IPA officials as recently as last year, the campaign records show.

Many other politicians have been quick to distance themselves from IPA, and have returned donations. In 2002 in New York, Andrew Cuomo, a Democratic gubernatorial candidate at the time, returned $20,000 from Burgess. Cuomo’s office said the donations were returned after a New York newspaper reported on Burgess’s past legal problems and on the EEOC sexual-harassment allegations.

Other prominent Democrats also have returned IPA's donations including Sen. Ted Kennedy and then-Senate candidate Claire McCaskill. On the same day in 2006, Sen. Barack Obama received $4,000 in campaign donations from a senior IPA official and his wife. Obama quickly returned $2,000 from the senior IPA official, campaign records show. But the campaign has held onto the matching $2,000 donation from the IPA official’s wife, the Obama campaign confirms.

Some political analysts say it is surprising that the first viable female candidate for president would not be more sensitive to allegations of sexual harassment.

"The fact that Hillary Clinton at this point is holding onto money from a contributor who has been charged with sexual harassment can only be perceived as insensitive to women's issues and women," says Sherry Bebitch Jeffe, Senior Scholar at the School of Policy, Planning and Development at the University of Southern California. "I don't think that fits the definition of feminism, at least the last time I looked."

Adrienne Slick, the former IPA employee, says she's disappointed in any politician who would take or keep money from IPA. "This is not something that should be taken lightly, and to accept those funds makes a statement," she told NBC.

The EEOC lawyers would not comment on any aspect of the political donations, and confined their remarks solely to the lawsuit.

Clinton Campaign Response:
Wolfson dismissed the notion that keeping IPA money reflected a lack of concern about sexual harassment. "Sen. Clinton is proud of her long record of championing women's causes," he said. "When the EEOC rules on the allegations involving Burgess, we will consider that outcome in assessing if there is any reason to return his contribution." Of the $170,000 total in donations from all IPA officials and employees, Burgess and his family members personally contributed $16,000 to Sen. Clinton, campaign records show.

IPA Reaction:
For its part, IPA vigorously denies any wrongdoing and said it has been fighting the EEOC lawsuit for more than six years. "Since a lawsuit was filed in June 2001, IPA has continually and consistently denied the allegations," IPA spokeswoman Jennifer Cumbee wrote in an email to NBC News. "At IPA, we have zero tolerance approach when it comes to sexual harassment."

Cumbee added: "This involves primarily claims by persons who worked a short time in the mid- to late 90s (although there are some persons who worked after that). Immediately after the lawsuit was filed and by early 2001, IPA in an abundance of caution had its sexual harassment policy completely revised by competent outside professionals."

She says, "IPA has had no unresolved claim of harassment for several years now and any one of its 2,000 employees who violate the policy, after investigation, is dealt with swiftly." She would not comment directly on Slick’s claims, citing employee confidentiality. She said that the EEOC already has dropped some claimants from the suit. “All employee claims have been contested as many have no witnesses or records or current complaints,” Cumbee said.

The IPA spokeswoman did not dispute that Burgess had a criminal record from his days in New York. "All that you have asked, in regards to John Burgess, is a matter of public record," she wrote. “Mr. Burgess is not a felon and was never convicted or pled to a felony.” She said that it would be unfair to judge Burgess on two-decade-old crimes, and pointed out that Burgess and IPA are solid employers who donate generously to charities.
When you read up on the whole thing, the only thing you can ask yourself is this: Why in the holy name of FUCK isn't Sen. Clinton being raked over the coals about this!
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Or her tax returns, for that matter.
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Glocksman wrote:
Elfdart wrote:On top of that, it turns out that of the six people on trial for numerous real estate scams (including Tony Rezko), three gave money to Clinton's campaign and that Rezko himself gave money to Hillary's campaign co-chair.

Link

The idea that someone who was herself involved with Jim and Susan McDougal, both of whom did prison time (Jim died in prison while Susan was rewarded with a pardon from Bubba for her silence) for Whitewater, while smearing Obama for his tenuous connection to Rezko is beyond chutzpah or gall. It's shamelessness that is borderline sociopathic.
I'm beginning to wonder if Obama is the Antichrist.
After all, a candidate that you, I, and Shep can vote for is obviously supernatural. :lol:
Or perhaps the alternatives are so awful that we are allies of convenience?
Astonishingly enough, Glenn Beck already conclusively answered that question:

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Man, the runaway hypocrisy coming out of the Clinton campaign is mind-blowing. At least when Bush is fucking people in the ass, he has the common decency to not even pretend to care about them.

With the negative baggage Clinton carries with her, and the new skeletons she generates by the day in mind, it's amazing to me that her campaign has made it this far. It's really a sad reflection of just how messed up the Democratic party is that a candidate with her massive list of negatives can be on the verge of taking the nomination. I just don't understand how she has any credibility at all when you consider just how hypocritical she's been throughout her entire political career.
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The whole Obama thing is simple: Clinton crawled her way out of hell. McCain looks like a shambling, barely alive corpse. So it's Demon, zombie or Obama. When you look at it that way, the choice is clear.
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As much as I'd like to see a woman be President of the United States, Clinton utterly disgusts me.
Her campaign against Obama is a joke and for that alone I'd throw her the hell out of the party. If she likes McCain so damn much she can go work for him.
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Remind me, when are we going to make "Prince and the Discourses" required reading for political science coursework well before you are of age to vote?

I mean most of the shit thats been done in the last 20 years would have nick spinning in his grave for how badly it's been done.
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:Remind me, when are we going to make "Prince and the Discourses" required reading for political science coursework well before you are of age to vote?

I mean most of the shit thats been done in the last 20 years would have nick spinning in his grave for how badly it's been done.
It would probably be helpful. To see people make such blatant and stupid attacks at each other and to have the people at large swallow it, is really aggrivating. People aren't as dumb as they look (some are), but they've never been educated on how to properly detect bullshit like this. The amount of people who still think Obama is a muslim is a good example.
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Glocksman wrote:
I'm beginning to wonder if Obama is the Antichrist.
After all, a candidate that you, I, and Shep can vote for is obviously supernatural. :lol:
Or perhaps the alternatives are so awful that we are allies of convenience?
Umm, what the hell gave you the idea Shep intends to vote for Obama? Last I heard out of him it was Mccain or not voting.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
Glocksman wrote:
I'm beginning to wonder if Obama is the Antichrist.
After all, a candidate that you, I, and Shep can vote for is obviously supernatural. :lol:
Or perhaps the alternatives are so awful that we are allies of convenience?
Umm, what the hell gave you the idea Shep intends to vote for Obama? Last I heard out of him it was Mccain or not voting.
He's actually posted fairly strong hints that he would vote for Obama. He's got more against McCain than Obama if I'm reading his recent (within a couple of weeks) posts right.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:Umm, what the hell gave you the idea Shep intends to vote for Obama? Last I heard out of him it was Mccain or not voting.
He voted for Huckabee in the primaries, not because he likes Huck, but to fuck McCain over.
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I seem to recall a joke comment by shep that he would send in an absentee vote for Hillery just prior to killing himself if she won.
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