EAS Cease-Fire and Debate Challenge

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-21 06:18pm

Nathan F Edits to respond, and low and behold it's more chikne shit passive aggression. And on top of that, he doesn't have the balls to state his nick, just as predicted.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-01-21 06:18pm

They're not worth the trouble of an invasion, specially because their own invasion was months ago.

But it's very nice to see their hipocrisy, and to understand why they were so paranoid. It was a mistery to me why they were so fearful of a simple thread. We never even noticed the guys, until now.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-21 06:20pm

You know, it's pretty fucking sad that Scooter looks good by comparrison. At least he flat out states his opinion about us, and doesn't pull all this shit they are.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-01-21 06:22pm

Alright, I will come in here and apologize. I am sorry for stating what I said a long time ago, and the reason it was posted within the same minute was because I had posted AT THE SAME TIME. It was not there when I hit the reply button. Now, the reason I said that, was at the time, I was carrying on a civil debate. I do not even recall what it was. But anyways, we were talking, and we had a good, nice, debate going, until someone decided to start flaming me for no obvious reasons. I admit, when I first came here, I had heard some bad things about this board, and was expecting some bad things. I was able to carry some good debates, and alot of the times you were right, and I conceded to you. Shoot, I don't doubt a ISD could wipe out a Galaxy in a matter of minutes! And I know that the Empire would take out the Federation. Just compare the two! I mean, look at the manpower available to the two. But that is not why I am here, I am here to publicly apologize for inciting any flames or putting anyone down. Like I said, that was a long time ago, and I have since learned alot about how the internet works and how forum etiquette goes.

Now, I suggest that we drop this all and let Bernd and Mike continue this in private. I, for one, except for any moderation duties, will not post anything else on the SCN forums about this.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-01-21 06:23pm

I also see that, while typing this, I have been accused of being gutless by Ender, all the while, I was preparing a public apology for you.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-01-21 06:25pm

Darth Wong wrote:I don't know about an actual invasion, but pointing out their hypocrisy and sanctimonious bullshit is certainly fair game.

A large number of people going to their board and pointing out their bullshit is an invasion. In order to stop a herd of orcs from going over there en masse it's pretty much essential to thwack the first guy who stands up and says 'I'm going to give those dipshits a piece of my mind.'

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-21 06:26pm

Don't you just LOVE the way this guy cannot craft an apology without finding some excuse to take another dig?

Ender had the right to accuse you of being gutless since your apology did not exist yet. And you still make excuses for your own behaviour. We did not try to invade your board; you tried to invade ours. And you blame US for it!!

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-21 06:28pm

NF_Utvol wrote:I also see that, while typing this, I have been accused of being gutless by Ender, all the while, I was preparing a public apology for you.

Lets review the post, shall we?

I would also like to publicly apologize of anything I might have said in the past, as I probably said it while I was mad as a hornet and not thinking clearly.

[Added in Edit]: I just noticed that me and Ender posted at the same time. I would like for you to know that the reason I said that was because, in the course of carrying on a civil debate, I began being flamed, and it degraded from there. It was impossible for either side to make a decent statement without one of the less civilized memebers of the board jumping in and degrading anythign said. I am sorry, but that IS what your forum looked like at the time, plain and simple.

Translation: "I'm sorry for the stuff I said in the past.

EDIT: OH SHIT THEY FOUND ME! I recant my apology and instead fill my post with passive aggressive bullshit, and will now go to SD so I don't lose face in front of my fellow posters?

Anyone feel I'm off spot here?

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-01-21 06:33pm

HA! And Darkstar has accused us for stalking HIM around the internet when he posted a link to his website at MSN where Ender had been debating for WEEKS!

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-01-21 06:37pm

I can't believe this guy still thinks he has the higher ground. Is he insane? It's a simple matter of apologizing. There's no invasion, and we don't troll in evasions, anyway. But he still doesn't get it.

Just posted at their site

Look, if Wong and Bernd take this into private, this is pointless. So is this whole stupid debate if Trek is better than Wars. Its fun until stuff like this happens. I like both, people will disagree. Why cant we just accept that fact that PEOPLE WILL DISAGREE! Big deal. Wong favors Wars. Bernd favors Trek. Theyre both forms of entertainment, but when stuff like this happens people take it too far! Its fine to dig deep into technology, its fun and interesting, but I personally think this would have been preventable if both sides agree to disagree.

This has completley ruined my confidence in both boards as civil and coherent. Im leaving SCN. Nathan, if you would do me the favor of telling me through MSN when this settles down.

Thank you.

Paix, fidélité, et coopération à tous.

___________
Red Byrd Online

First post by Bingo, the troll.

Now, since this is a board for SW vs. ST, here goes.

Star Trek was founded by Gene Roddenberry as a vision that humanity could improve beyond differences over land or supplies, that they could overcome language barriers and cultral taboos. Star Trek is not about battles, special effects, (ot that they aren't welcome ) like Star Wars is. Star Wars, by all means, is good to watch and I have no problem with it. It is fan boys like you, which you think by bashing Trek is uphailing the name of Wars, is actually dragging the name of it down. I have been on Star Trek, Sci-Fi, and even B% and LoTR boars that have forums for other sci-fi, and they all agree on this. I personally think you are so stubborn and stuck up and afraid that Star Wars might not be as popular as it was in the 80's that you purposefully compare the worst elements of Trek (nothing cant be the best all the time) to the best of Star Wars to prove pure fanboy belief that you have. Why not compare the worst of Wars and the Best of Trek and see how you like it. Actually, your Technoloigcal arguments are falsicated because you dont understand Treknology. Go read Treknology at EAS (www.ex-astris-scientia.org) and have your arguments then. Actually, Mr. Lucas got ideas for Star Wars by watching Trek, you know.
Actually, it all comes down to that you have your heads up your asses so much that you wont accept anything different than Wars, and anything shlightly off your opinion you bash mindlessly using a bad combination of fact and fasification because you are scared to admit that just because you like Wars better than other Sci-fi, others are just as good oand other people have opinions different than you. Imagine how bland the world would be if everybody wore the same thing. Admitted, Trek, and all Sci-fi for that matter, always has a bunch of fanboys who dresses up in costumes and all that crap and makes every sci-fi look bad. But I think you should be ashamed of yourselves and get it out of our bloated head that other people may not agree with you and encourage dicussion about it and not uselass flames comprised of what you think and not wat is actually is.

Good day,
Red Byrd

Hipocrisy reaching maximum levels.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-21 06:38pm

Let's compare the behaviour of the two boards, shall we?

SCN launched an invasion of this board back in August. Bragged about it, even. Their moderators call us "low IQ" morons, the administrator called us "ravening orcs", and the site owner runs me down personally for years behind my back. They encouraged everyone to conceal their identities and IP's while trolling our boards.

A thread called "Opinion of EAS" is made here. Most people are fairly generous. I have issues with Bernd's methods of analysis but I never try to attack his character. Darth Pounder goes overboard and actually gets lambasted by fellow members of SD.Net for it.

We finally discover that they're talking trash about us. Hostilities ensue. They try to act as though nothing happened. And they have the gall to say that we are the instigators! We are supposedly the ones who are causing all of this! Not one voice of dissent is heard from their side, which presents a completely unified front of contempt for me, my site, and in general, for our forums. And yet we are supposedly the close-minded, group-thinking crowd.

Unbe-fucking-lievable.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-01-21 06:39pm

Montcalm wrote:There is something i want to know why this war between star trek and star wars fans when there is lots of people who says sci-fi fans including ST and SW are idiots.

me i like all sci-fi

PEACE BETWEEN ALL SCI-FI FANS.

Crickey! I thinks it's one of them Furry Conflicters. These little buggars are the crossbreed of a rabid trekkie/beastalist and a hentai fanatic. As you can see they have massive claws, but they are filed off at the end and completely useless, so they ask for stronger preditors to ignore things like strength and speed and consider how much people like their breeds.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-21 06:42pm

Heh. I love that guy who tried to claim that debate was pointless because it was all subjective.

Ai, ai, do they extract these people from the Philadelphia septic system or something?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-21 06:43pm

anarchistbunny wrote:HA! And Darkstar has accused us for stalking HIM around the internet when he posted a link to his website at MSN where Ender had been debating for WEEKS!

Actually, it was a day. But the point is the same

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-01-21 06:47pm

I like Star Trek some of the starships looks cool same thing for Star Wars`s starships,but i prefer Babylon 5 probably because none of the starships goes at warp or light speed.

and like star trek they encounter aliens hostile and friendly.
and like star wars there is a war against a powerful enemy.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-21 06:48pm

I can sum up all of the EAS trolls' "apologies" right now:

"You guys are completely wrong and you're all a bunch of pricks, but I shouldn't have said that out loud".

Just to save time in case they were thinking of crafting any more passive/aggressive "apologies".

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-01-21 06:51pm

My apologies, Mike, I urged restraint and ignoring them but GODDAMN these little trektards are ANNOYING. The outright LYING is ridiculous and what really gets me is the false apolgies on both their boards and then coming here and polluting us with their passive aggressive shit. They CANNOT open their mouths without letting some back handed comment slip. They won't STFU, they just keep on coming like the Trek zombies that they are and I think that restraint may no longer be the right tact to take here as I read more and more of their posts.

Once again, I retract that last statement of earlier and say that if there will be return fire I am all for it. Once again it is the utter lack of intelleigent discourse that does them in. They will not accept certain ground rules and as always don't read the disclaimer beneath the FORUM TITLE: we LIKE to mock stupid people because they don't deserve or warrant respect. One thing is REAL ignorance of facts. Another is FEIGNED ignorance. You are forcing yourselves to ignore the obvious and like little bitches, when called on it you run away screaming.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-21 06:53pm

I'm not going to advocate a full-scale invasion since we outnumber them by a fair margin and we could easily swamp them. But I will say that I see no reason to humour their bullshit. With their secret invasions, constant put-downs, passive/aggressive behaviour, bullshit "apologies", and unbelievable sanctimonious airs, they deserve whatever they get.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-01-21 07:02pm

Bah. Just ban or HoS all the little fuckwits who come over here and insult us.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-01-21 07:06pm

Montcalm wrote:I like Star Trek some of the starships looks cool same thing for Star Wars`s starships,but i prefer Babylon 5 probably because none of the starships goes at warp or light speed.

and like star trek they encounter aliens hostile and friendly.
and like star wars there is a war against a powerful enemy.

Myself wrote:so they ask for stronger preditors to ignore things like strength and speed and consider how much people like their breeds.

If that didn't get through your head let me make it more obvious. When comparing two universes in a battle situation, how much you like each show doesn't matter.

Also incase you didn't notice, most of the people here ARE fans of sci-fi in general, it's the SHITHEADS that think because they watch Star Trek gives him a degree in science that we don't get along with rabid trekkies, there are several trekkies here, one whos a moderator, and most people liked TOS and TNG and DS9 to an extent. Lord Poe is considered a warsie, but he's also a big trekkie. Its not the sci-fi fans debating about which show is better, we're debating which would win in a fight.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-01-21 07:30pm

MinutiaeMan wrote:This issue with StarDestroyer.net has gone on far enough. Both communities are up in arms over insults that have gone back and forth. Individuals on both sides (myself included) have made this a personal issue, and each community is being given unfair descriptions.

I will not tolerate any further escalation of the inter-community arguments, and therefore we've decided to temporarily disallow any new member registrations. After this issue has been cooled down, we'll reinstate the open door policy.

A more general policy regarding further discussions on this board will come soon.

I can feel the panic in the air.. And the foul smell of hipocrisy, obviously.

All that I can say is that if some member of that forum has unsolved issues with Mike or us, feel free to post them here. I'll even debate him one on one.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-21 07:36pm

They tried to pull some underhanded shit, bragged about it, became too mouthy and got our attention, and now they're scared shitless that we know who they are and where they came from.

Did it ever occur to these little shits that if they could simply apologize and own up to their actions WITHOUT slamming us in the same breath, that they wouldn't have to worry? All mouth, no brains.

MinutiaeMan · Post by **MinutiaeMan** » 2003-01-21 07:37pm

Panic? Not as such... I'm merely trying to calm things down rather than keep the argument going. That is all.

If you choose to believe more than that, well... in the words of C-3PO, "I suppose you're entitled to your delusions."

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-21 07:39pm

MinutiaeMan wrote:Panic? Not as such... I'm merely trying to calm things down rather than keep the argument going. That is all.

If you choose to believe more than that, well... in the words of C-3PO, "I suppose you're entitled to your delusions."

Closing down all new registrations IS panic (especially when we haven't even done anything). But of course, you can feel free to pretend you're not a chickenshit.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-01-21 07:42pm

MinutiaeMan wrote:Panic? Not as such... I'm merely trying to calm things down rather than keep the argument going. That is all.

Things were quiet. Can you acuse Ender of trolling? Or any of the others? They presented contructive arguments. It wasn't an evasion, so you evidently overdid it.

Is it so hard to admit that proeminents members of your boad have been flaming SD.net, and Mike in particular, for months? Unjustly? And that no proper excuse was made yet?

It's no big deal. Just say "we apologize" without saying after "but.."

If you choose to believe more than that, well... in the words of C-3PO, "I suppose you're entitled to your delusions."

We've faced full scale invasions of Nazis and fundamentalists. The board was never closed .

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