Personality types and debating

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-21 05:32am

I'm an INTJ, oh dear...

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-21 05:36am

INTJ-The Mastermind

Yep same as whn I took it in HS and in Collage

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-01-21 05:58am

iNTj
Interesting.

Post by **Edi** » 2003-01-21 06:40am

ISTJ (The Inspector Guardian)

Introverted: 11
Sensing: 1
Thinking: 44
Judging: 33

slightly expressed introvert
rarely expressed sensing personality
moderately expressed thinking personality
moderately expressed judging personality

****

Second Run:

ENTJ (The Field Marshal)

Extroverted: 22
Intuitive: 11
Thinking: 11
Judging: 11

slightly expressed extrovert
slightly expressed intuitive personality
slightly expressed thinking personality
slightly expressed judging personality

****

I guess I'm a mixture of those two. *shrug*

Edi

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2003-01-21 07:55am

ISTJ
67 11 11 22
ISTP

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2003-01-21 08:10am

INTJ
Eh...

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-01-21 09:27am

INTJ the Mastermind

There are a few questions that were a bit weird.

You have difficulty understanding the notion of "an approximate decision"
What is an approximate decision? I mean you either make a decision or you don't, there are no semi-decisions.

You think that almost everything can be analyzed
Naturaly everything can be analyzed. So am I supposed to answer this yes or no?

In a debate, you strive to achieve mutual agreement
Yeap, I'm right, you're wrong, the faster you get that through your thick skull the better.

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2003-01-21 09:46am

Sir Sirius wrote:INTJ the Mastermind

I'm suprised, sort of, by the high number of INTJs on the board. It makes sense, though, considering the purpose of the board, and the things INTJs tend to be attracted to. I only know one other INTJ in real life, while I know several ENFPs.

Problem is, one of the things with us INTJs is that we can be stubborn at times. At least until we can see where we are wrong, then we can make the appropriate adjustments.

You have difficulty understanding the notion of "an approximate decision"
What is an approximate decision? I mean you either make a decision or you don't, there are no semi-decisions.

If you don't get it, then just say "yes," because you do have difficulty with the concept. Someone who does understand the concept, an xxxP, I figure, would understand the concept much more easily than a xxxJ type.

Mr Flibble · Post by **Mr Flibble** » 2003-01-21 09:48am

1st test: INTJ The Mastermind
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
22 11 44 33
Cool.

2nd test: ISTP
"The Craftsperson"

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2003-01-21 09:50am

I'm an ISTJ (elder) supposedly whatever that means,

Dargos · Post by **Dargos** » 2003-01-21 10:25am

Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
56 11 44 78

Qualitative analysis of your type formula

You are:
moderately expressed introvert

slightly expressed intuitive personality

moderately expressed thinking personality

very expressed judging personality

To outsiders, INTJs may appear to project an aura of "definiteness", of self-confidence. This self-confidence, sometimes mistaken for simple arrogance by the less decisive, is actually of a very specific rather than a general nature; its source lies in the specialized knowledge systems that most INTJs start building at an early age. When it comes to their own areas of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you, and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know.
INTJs are perfectionists, with a seemingly endless capacity for improving upon anything that takes their interest. What prevents them from becoming chronically bogged down in this pursuit of perfection is the pragmatism so characteristic of the type: INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "Does it work?" to everything from their own research efforts to the prevailing social norms. This in turn produces an unusual independence of mind, freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.

INTJs are known as the "Systems Builders" of the types, perhaps in part because they possess the unusual trait combination of imagination and reliability. Whatever system an INTJ happens to be working on is for them the equivalent of a moral cause to an INFJ; both perfectionism and disregard for authority may come into play, as INTJs can be unsparing of both themselves and the others on the project. Anyone considered to be "slacking," including superiors, will lose their respect -- and will generally be made aware of this; INTJs have also been known to take it upon themselves to implement critical decisions without consulting their supervisors or co-workers. On the other hand, they do tend to be scrupulous and even-handed about recognizing the individual contributions that have gone into a project, and have a gift for seizing opportunities which others might not even notice.

In the broadest terms, what INTJs "do" tends to be what they "know". Typical INTJ career choices are in the sciences and engineering, but they can be found wherever a combination of intellect and incisiveness are required (e.g., law, some areas of academia). INTJs can rise to management positions when they are willing to invest time in marketing their abilities as well as enhancing them, and (whether for the sake of ambition or the desire for privacy) many also find it useful to learn to simulate some degree of surface conformism in order to mask their inherent unconventionality.

Personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, can be the INTJ's Achilles heel. While they are capable of caring deeply for others (usually a select few), and are willing to spend a great deal of time and effort on a relationship, the knowledge and self-confidence that make them so successful in other areas can suddenly abandon or mislead them in interpersonal situations.

This happens in part because many INTJs do not readily grasp the social rituals; for instance, they tend to have little patience and less understanding of such things as small talk and flirtation (which most types consider half the fun of a relationship). To complicate matters, INTJs are usually extremely private people, and can often be naturally impassive as well, which makes them easy to misread and misunderstand. Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense.

This sometimes results in a peculiar naivete', paralleling that of many Fs -- only instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible reasonability and directness.

Probably the strongest INTJ assets in the interpersonal area are their intuitive abilities and their willingness to "work at" a relationship. Although as Ts they do not always have the kind of natural empathy that many Fs do, the Intuitive function can often act as a good substitute by synthesizing the probable meanings behind such things as tone of voice, turn of phrase, and facial expression. This ability can then be honed and directed by consistent, repeated efforts to understand and support those they care about, and those relationships which ultimately do become established with an INTJ tend to be characterized by their robustness, stability, and good communications.

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Functional Analysis
by Joe Butt

Introverted iNtuition
INTJs are idea people. Anything is possible; everything is negotiable. Whatever the outer circumstances, INTJs are ever perceiving inner pattern-forms and using real-world materials to operationalize them. Others may see what is and wonder why; INTJs see what might be and say "Why not?!" Paradoxes, antinomies, and other contradictory phenomena aptly express these intuitors' amusement at those whom they feel may be taking a particular view of reality too seriously. INTJs enjoy developing unique solutions to complex problems.
Extraverted Thinking
Thinking in this auxiliary role is a workhorse. Closure is the payoff for efforts expended. Evaluation begs diagnosis; product drives process. As they come to light, Thinking tends, protects, affirms and directs iNtuition's offspring, fully equipping them for fulfilling and useful lives. A faithful pedagogue, Thinking argues not so much on its own behalf, but in defense of its charges. And through this process these impressionable ideas take on the likeness of their master.

Introverted Feeling
Feeling has a modest inner room, two doors down from the Most Imminent iNtuition. It doesn't get out much, but lends its influence on behalf of causes which are Good and Worthy and Humane. We may catch a glimpse of it in the unspoken attitude of good will, or the gracious smile or nod. Some question the existence of Feeling in this type, yet its unseen balance to Thinking is a cardinal dimension in the full measure of the INTJ's soul.

Extraverted Sensing
Sensing serves with a good will, or not at all. As other inferior functions, it has only a rudimentary awareness of context, amount or degree. Thus INTJs sweat the details or, at times, omit them. "I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with the facts" could well have been said by an INTJ on a mission. Sensing's extraverted attitude is evident in this type's bent to savor sensations rather than to merely categorize them. Indiscretions of indulgence are likely an expression of the unconscious vengeance of the inferior.

Famous INTJs:
Dan Aykroyd, actor (The Blues Brothers)
Susan B. Anthony, suffragist
Arthur Ashe, tennis champion
Augustus Caesar (Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus), Emperor of Rome
Jane Austen, author (Pride and Prejudice)
William J. Bennett, "drug czar"
William F. Buckley, Jr., conservative political advocate
Raymond Burr, actor (Perry Mason, Ironsides)
Chevy Chase (Cornelius Crane), actor (Fletch)
Phil Donahue, television talk show host
Michael Dukakis, governor of Mass., 1988 U.S. Dem. pres. candidate
Greg Gumbel, television sportscaster
Hannibal, Carthaginian military leader
Veronica Hamel, actress (Hill Street Blues)
Orel Leonard Hershiser, IV, major league baseball pitcher
Peter Jennings, television newscaster
Charles Everett Koop, former U.S. surgeon general
Ivan Lendl, tennis champion
C. S. Lewis, author (The Chronicles of Narnia)
Joan Lunden, television talk show host
Edwin Moses, U.S. olympian (hurdles)
Martina Navratilova, tennis champion
Charles Rangel, U. S. Representative, D-N.Y.
Pernell Roberts, actor (Bonanza)
Maria Owens Shriver, television newscaster
Josephine Tey (Elizabeth Mackintosh), mystery writer (Brat Farrar)

U.S. Presidents:
Chester A. Arthur
Calvin Coolidge
Thomas Jefferson
John F. Kennedy
James K. Polk
Woodrow Wilson

Fictional:

Cassius (Julius Caesar)
Mr. Darcy (Pride and Prejudice)
Gandalf the Grey (J. R. R. Tolkein's Middle Earth books)
Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs)
Professor Moriarty, Sherlock Holmes' nemesis
Ensign Ro (Star Trek--the Next Generation)
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern (Hamlet)
George Smiley, John le Carre's master spy
Clarice Starling (Silence of the Lambs)

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-21 10:27am

Okay, after answering all the questions, the result is:

1st website:

INTP: "The Architect"
Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Perceiving
Many regard this attitude as arrogant, and INTPs are likely, especially in their later years, after finding out that most others are faking an understanding of the laws of nature, to think of themselves as the prime movers who must pit themselves against nature and society in an endless struggle to define ends clearly and adopt whatever means that promise success. If this is arrogance, then at least it is not vanity, and without question it has driven the design engineers to take the lead in molding the structure of civilization.

yadda yadda yadda.

2nd website: (phew, long

)

LOSE 10lbs IN 5 WEEKS!

INTP: "The Conceiver"
An attitude in which interest, value and meaning are attached primarily to internal objects. External matters are habitually not valued or are difficult for the introvert.
bada-bim, bada-bum.

Ok at least I'm consistent.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-21 03:41pm

You know, this is actually an interesting topic but now that I think about it, it's really not SWvST. So I'm going to move it to Off-Topic and leave a place-holder here.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-21 03:56pm

INTP
44 56 44 89

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-21 03:58pm

ENTP on the first one.

ENTJ
"The Commander" on the second.

WTF does that mean?

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-01-21 04:07pm

iStP "Top Gun" or "The Virtuoso"

The Crafter Artisans are not only concrete in speech and utilitarian in getting things done, they are also directive and attentive in their social roles. Though directive like their Promoter counterparts, their directiveness is leavened by a good deal of attentiveness and seclusiveness. They do not approach strangers readily, but once in contact do not hesitate to tell them what to do. And they can be quite forceful in this, such that others tend to do their bidding.

Like the other Artisans, Crafters live a life is artful action, but their particular nature is most easily seen in their mastery of tools of any and all kinds, from microscopic drill to supersonic jet, from potter's wheel to grand piano. A tool is any implement that extends or varies our human powers -- vehicles, musical instruments, cutting devices, and weapons are just four of the many categories of the tools that surround us. Most of us use tools in some capacity, of course, but Crafters (only ten per cent of the general population) are the true virtuosos of tool work, with a natural ability to command tools, to bend them to their wishes, and to become adept at all the crafts requiring tool skills. Even from an early age Crafters are drawn to tools as to a magnet; tools fall into their hands demanding use, and they must manipulate them. Indeed, if a given tool, whether scalpel or earthmover, is operated with a precision that defies belief, that operator is likely an Crafter.

Hmm not 100% right but close

Hmm the 2nd test gave me:

ISTJ "The Elder"

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-01-21 04:10pm

Your Type is ISTJ

Introverted - 67%
Sensing - 11%
Thinking - 56%
Judging - 22%

Huh, it says Im like Cliff on Cheers. It also says I am like Herbert Hoover and George Bush ( which one I dont know, im gonna assume pappa bush )

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Malecoda · Post by **Malecoda** » 2003-01-21 04:34pm

Darth Wong wrote:...
You also see it when an NF personality type disparages an NT personality type for blistering attacks on the ignorant or the stupid: he cannot conceive of a personality that actually feels genuine contempt for the ignorant or stupid, so he assumes there must be a hidden "self-improvement" motivation behind it all. Hence, this "validation" nonsense, which every psychobabbler trots out whenever confronted with an NT personality type.

"You're just trying to validate your own opinion by running down the opinions of others!" they scream. In their minds, this is the only logical explanation because this is the only motivation that they can understand. But what they fail to realize is that the NT personality feels his conclusions are validated by hard facts and logic and has no particular need of validating himself.

Heheh. My fiance believes in John Edward. I can yell "cold reading!" til I'm blue in the face, but she knows what that is so it doesn't do any good. "So how can you recognize cold-reading the carny act, but you don't recognize it in John Edward??? ARGH!" Or here: "You know the scene in Wizard of Oz when the old man is cold reading Dorothy?" and she comes back with "that's just a movie!" heh.

The two types can coexist (obviously, my wife and I complement each others' strengths and weaknesses), but it is dangerous for one type to impose its perceived motivations onto the other.

Oh, yes. I have to concede that one to her in the interest of harmony.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-01-21 04:41pm

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2003-01-21 04:48pm

Joining the INTJ club...I took the second one, and the questions were mostly very vague...

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2003-01-21 04:50pm

INTJ

I wonder if it's common for NT types to feel like they're surrounded by irrational idiots everywhere. It's almost as if we're moron magnets or something. Not that I'm complaining too much, it can be damn fun abusing the idiots at times, but it gets a bit lonely when everyone around you seems to spout gibberish.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2003-01-21 05:12pm

INTP... seems NT matches a lot of us, NT = people who dislike stupid people

God Emperor · Post by **God Emperor** » 2003-01-21 05:17pm

INTJ both times.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-01-21 05:56pm

Darth Wong wrote:You know, this is actually an interesting topic but now that I think about it, it's really not SWvST. So I'm going to move it to Off-Topic and leave a place-holder here.

I fear I'm to blame for hijacking the thread... it's one of those fascinations for me, though, I've taken about every personality test you can name and I'm always interested to see what other people are and how they think.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-21 06:34pm

ENTP
"The Tinkerer"

OK, in the past two years I have changed from INTP to ENTP.

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