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WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton said Tuesday she disagrees with Geraldine Ferraro, one of her fundraisers and the 1984 vice presidential candidate, for suggesting that Barack Obama only achieved his status in the presidential race because he's black.

In a brief interview with The Associated Press, Clinton was questioned about Ferraro's remarks. The Obama campaign has called on the New York senator to denounce them.

Ferraro told the Daily Breeze of Torrance, Calif.: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."


The newspaper published the interview last Friday.

Clinton said, "I do not agree with that," and later added, "It's regrettable that any of our supporters — on both sides, because we both have this experience — say things that kind of veer off into the personal."

"We ought to keep this on the issues. there are differences between us" on approaches to health care, energy, experience.


Ferraro is a former New York congresswoman and was Walter Mondale's running mate when he was the Democratic presidential nominee in 1984. She has endorsed Clinton and raised money for her campaign.

Obama senior adviser David Axelrod said Ferraro should be removed from her position with the Clinton campaign because of her comments.

"The bottom line is this, when you wink and nod at offensive statements, you're really sending a signal to your supporters that anything goes," Axelrod said in a conference call with reporters on Tuesday.

"There's no other way to send a serious signal that you want to police the tone of this campaign," he added. "And if you don't do those things then you are simply adding to the growing compendium of evidence that you really are encouraging that."

Axelrod said Clinton has encountered problems because people view her as a "divisive and polarizing force."

"The best way to address those concerns is to not allow divisiveness and negativity to flourish among your supporters," he said. "And this is an opportunity for her to address that."

Jan Schakowsky, an Obama supporter and Illinois congresswoman, said Democrats should not tear each other down, and instead focus on defeating John McCain, the Republican nominee-in-waiting.

"I respect every person's right to promote his or her candidate, but any and all remarks that diminish Senator Obama's candidacy because of his race are completely out of line," Schakowsky said on the conference call.

And then Ferraro defends herself:

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Geraldine Ferraro defended her remarks and went even further in another interview with the Daily Breeze, where Ferraro's original comments appeared. This time SHE claimed to be the victim of racism and said, "Sexism is a bigger problem." ...

"But far from backing off from her initial remark, Ferraro defended it and elaborated on it.

" 'Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up,' Ferraro said. 'Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?'...

"Ferraro said she was simply stating an obvious truth, as seen in exit polls that show Obama taking as much as 80 percent of the black vote in the Democratic primaries.

" 'In all honesty, do you think that if he were a white male, there would be a reason for the black community to get excited for a historic first?' Ferraro said. 'Am I pointing out something that doesn't exist?' ...


"She also said she is familiar with [Obama adviser David] Axelrod from his work for minority candidates in New York.

" 'He knows damn well that the best thing to do in a situation like this is to come back and hit with race,' Ferraro said, adding that the response is a sign that the Obama campaign is 'worried' about the first-term senator's lack of experience.
Ferraro said she was not trying to diminish Obama's candidacy, and acknowledged up front that she would not have been the vice presidential nominee in 1984 if she had been a man.

"But she also echoed remarks of feminist leaders like Gloria Steinem, who argued in the New York Times that Obama would not have succeeded if he were a woman because gender is 'the most restricting force in American life.'

" 'Sexism is a bigger problem,' Ferraro argued. 'It's OK to be sexist in some people's minds. It's not OK to be racist.'"

And Clinton's campaign manager blames Obama:

Instead, Clinton's campaign manager Maggie Williams sent out a statement repeating Clinton's remarks to the Associated Press from earlier in the day. "I do not agree with that," Clinton had said of Ferraro's comments, "and you know it's regrettable that any of our supporters on both sides say things that veer off into the personal. We ought to keep this focused on the issues. That's what this campaign should be about."

In the same statement, Williams called the criticism of Ferraro "false, personal and politically calculated attacks on the eve of a primary."
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Actually I’d have to agree with that, to a point. The mere fact that he’s black does help his image with an awful lot of (mostly white) voters, since after all; people want change and what better change then color! It might not be a particularly conscious thought, but it IS a part of what makes him appealing. A random white first term senator would be having a harder time of things.

That said, if all had was ‘I’m black’ to go on he would never have gained anything like the momentum he has, winning absurdly in a record setting fundraising effort and winning in the pool. Being black may have helped him out getting a foot in the door, but he’s been going on his own abilities. I’d say overall the issue of every other remotely viable candidate sucking crap has helped him far more then color.
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If being black was such a huge advantage then why haven't we had a serious black presidential candidate before now?
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I guess she also claims that the media is sexist:
"I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign.
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That one I really disagree with; I've been watching a lot more CNN these days due to it being on in every office I go to, and it always seems like they are slanting proHillary. With maybe the exception of Olbermann msnbc...everyone else seems to be on Hillary's side. (and I will go out on a limb and say Faux news supports Hillary since they support McCain and he will more easily beat her- though I have nothing to back that up since I don't watch :lol: )
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I'm actually happy the bitch said this. The more crap the clinton campaign spews the better. No one wants to have a campaign that smacks even a bit of racism. In retrospect, had she not said this comment, the fact that he is black might not have mattered so much.

On a side note, I have heard, even from members of the black community who've said that the reason he's gotten so far is because white folks are seeing this as a way of getting some stuff outta the way racism wise by saying "See we voted for a black president, we can't be racist!" And I have to agree that that does account for a lot of his votes. Yet it pains me to see another black fellow getting ahead who actually does have skills and what not but having this stamped on to you. It's really demoralizing for someone. I'm sure he'll come shooting back with something that might get him more sympathy votes. And even if that's what they are, they still count.

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The media is definitely pro-Hillary; they faithfully repeat all of her "talking points" as if they are news.
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Yes, but because of O'Rielly and Limbah, Hillery believes that all the media is out to get her, and everyone else must be cheating....
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Y'know... a somewhat more twisty interpretation of this event, if one was of a conspiratorial bent, would be to see this as Ferraro (actually working for Clinton) deliberately making the point, then for Hillary to "denounce" it so she can look principled and above the fray, and the meme that "Obama is trading on his race" gets passed along in a Chinese whisper manner into the collective consciousness of the electorate as a result.

This is pure speculation on my part, of course. The sad thing is that it's not entirely impossible.
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Don't have a reputable source for this yet, but apparently Keith Olbermann will be doing a Special Comment on the Clinton Campaign tactics tomorrow evening.

Source: DailyKos.com

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You've got to love how these retards (Carville, Buchanan, I'm looking at you) if not out right defend these remarks, try to brush them aside.

"C'mon, whataya whinin' for? This is politics, baby! It's rough and tumble. People go back and forth all the time. If you think this is bad, you should have saw how it was back in the day! In the end everyone will kiss and make up because we're Democrats and we're all in this together. Blah blah blah etc etc [insert anti-PC bullshit here]."

Yeah, I know politics is a dirty business, but there should be at least some standards. It was low when they went after McCain for having a black love child, and the crap they're pulling with Obama is low now. It's especially disappointing to see Democrats pull this because I thought we would be above this sort of thing, and have railed against Republicans because of it.

Oh no, when the Republicans do it, it's fear-mongering and race-baiting, but when one of our own does it, they're just drawing contrasts!
Whatever :roll:

On another note, it seems she pissed off Keith Olbermann, who should be doing a Special Comment on this whole mess. It was only a matter of time.
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Obama gets a lot of the male white vote and most of the black vote. So naturally Hillary assumes if Obama wasn't black and was female, Obama wouldn't be where he is now. That part is correct, but in no shit sherlock category.

Might as well say Hillary wouldn't be where she is if she wasn't a woman. The insinuation is that Obama hasn't earned his spot and relied on his race or gender. Reading between the lines, it is clearly intended to be racist and sexist, just like how Bill Clinton mentioned Jesse Jackson and didn't spell out the racism. He doesn't have to spell it out for me to see it.

What's totally wrong is the assumption Hillary would automatically get the male or black vote. Hillary represents the Hispanics, and blacks wouldn't necessarily go along with Hillary if there was another pro-black male challenger like Edwards. Meanwhile, assuming she'd pick up the male white vote if there was no other male candidate is just assine, since Edwards would be in it and he's male so he'd get the male white vote.

So it is bullshit of the highest order.
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Obama's colour is part of the whole package, which includes his stance on various issues, rhetoric, voting record, experience, managerial skills, etc. It's true that Obama wouldn't be where he is if he weren't black, however, the same holds true for his wondrous public speaking abilities.
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So we can expect Hillary to dismiss this fundraiser... when exactly?

Oh, that's right, never.

Someone on the Obama side makes a public slip and calls Hillary a monster. She takes it all back and resigns herself as a show of good will to the party.

Someone on Clinton's side makes at least a borderline racist/sexist comment about Obama and consistently defends her words. Clinton says "I disagree with them," and does nothing else. No discipline, no firing, nothing. Apparently she doesn't disagree with her *that* much.
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Patrick Degan wrote:Y'know... a somewhat more twisty interpretation of this event, if one was of a conspiratorial bent, would be to see this as Ferraro (actually working for Clinton) deliberately making the point, then for Hillary to "denounce" it so she can look principled and above the fray, and the meme that "Obama is trading on his race" gets passed along in a Chinese whisper manner into the collective consciousness of the electorate as a result.

This is pure speculation on my part, of course. The sad thing is that it's not entirely impossible.
Given the sheer skill of the Clintons in political maneuvering, I'd say it's plausible.
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Darth Wong wrote:The media is definitely pro-Hillary; they faithfully repeat all of her "talking points" as if they are news.
The media is Pro-Hillary at the moment because, at the moment, Hillary is "losing". Hooray for horse-race journalism.
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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:So we can expect Hillary to dismiss this fundraiser... when exactly?

Oh, that's right, never.

Someone on the Obama side makes a public slip and calls Hillary a monster. She takes it all back and resigns herself as a show of good will to the party.

Someone on Clinton's side makes at least a borderline racist/sexist comment about Obama and consistently defends her words. Clinton says "I disagree with them," and does nothing else. No discipline, no firing, nothing. Apparently she doesn't disagree with her *that* much.
Its not even that. Someone not even allied with the obama campaign comes out in support of him (Farrakhan) and all of a sudden if Obama doesn't denounce AND reject him then he's an anti-semite but all Clinton has to do is say she "disagrees" with Ferraro and she pretends it doesn't make her rascist. The sheer degree of double standard to which the Clinton camps holds itself is a marvel to behold.
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And Ferraro quits:
Ferraro Leaves Clinton Committee After Remarks About Obama

By Bill Arthur

March 12 (Bloomberg) -- Geraldine Ferraro, a former vice- presidential candidate and a Democratic congresswoman for six years, left the finance committee of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton following remarks she made about rival Barack Obama.

Controversy erupted over remarks Ferraro made in an interview with the Daily Breeze newspaper in Torrance, California.

Ferraro said Illinois Senator Obama has advanced in the presidential contest because of his race.

``If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position,'' Ferraro was quoted as saying by the newspaper in a story published March 7. ``And if he was a woman he would not be in this position.''

Obama called the statement ``divisive'' in an interview with the Morning Call newspaper in Allentown, Pennsylvania.

``I don't think Geraldine Ferraro's comments have any place in our politics or in the Democratic Party,'' Obama told the newspaper. ``I think anybody who understands the history of this country knows they are patently absurd.''

Ferraro said her remark was taken out of context. She told Fox News that she has said many times that if she weren't a woman she wouldn't have been Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale's running mate in 1984.

``Does that mean I wasn't qualified to do the job? No,'' she said.

``What I find offensive is that every time someone says something about the campaign they are accused of being racist,'' Ferraro said.

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FSTargetDrone wrote:And Ferraro quits
Ferracist can't manage a graceful exit, though:
Dear Hillary –

I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign.

The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you.

I won't let that happen.


Thank you for everything you have done and continue to do to make this a better world for my children and grandchildren.

You have my deep admiration and respect.

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She's such a good little martyr. Never mind if she had been born a man, nobody ever would have HEARD of 'Gerald Ferraro'.
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I'm truly wondering how anyone can vouch for Hillary after the quite ridiculous mud-slinging match of late. She could easily pass for the worst neo-con with what she's shown in this race, and yet it's the Dems trying to get their candidate ready for the main event, not liberals vs. conservatives.

She at least has a back-bone when it comes to attacking the only real chance they have for a successful presidency. Go her.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:I'm truly wondering how anyone can vouch for Hillary after the quite ridiculous mud-slinging match of late. She could easily pass for the worst neo-con with what she's shown in this race, and yet it's the Dems trying to get their candidate ready for the main event, not liberals vs. conservatives.
Exactly. You should see just how many Dems are willing to contort themselves while jumping through flaming hoops to defend Hillary's antics. And the sad thing is that you know damn well that if Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity or any other neo-con made the same comments, Democrats would be burning them in effigy right now. And if you have the temerity to denounce these comments as racist, then it is in fact YOU,sir, who is the racist. Unbelievable.
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yeah, you say something horrible and lie, and calling you on it is a low blow attack....


I swear Hillary's campaign is like Nader, all over again, pure sabotage just to devide the Democratic Party....
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:yeah, you say something horrible and lie, and calling you on it is a low blow attack....


I swear Hillary's campaign is like Nader, all over again, pure sabotage just to devide the Democratic Party....
No. Hillary's campaign has yet to rise to that level of competence.
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