My nation celebrebrates itself. By riots.

[Zixinus]

During my upbringing, I've realised that nationalism was one of the many strings people pull to make you follow them. Despite that, I still have a genuine respect and hope for my country.

Today is March 15. This is the date that one of the our mayor revolutons started, by three poets at its lead, the most important among them is someone whom some of you may already have heard of: Petőfi Sándor.

Usually, this is a time of rememberence and reflection of one's country. Time for standing in pretty cloths for a long time while poems and speeches are told, the time for our proffesional army to show itself off, the time for our politicians to shut up about their usual bullshit and talk about about the current world and our nation in it. A time for one whole minute of silence, in memoriam of the people lost.

That's what happens in normal western countries anyway.

Here? We riot.


(look at the centre, this is the only digital image I can supply right now)

That's it, there is a mayor riot going on in the capitol (Budapest). The rioters have already pulled out the molotov cocktails on the police. I'm not kidding.



It was far worse during the 50th anniversary of 1958, another revolution againts Soviet oppression. We had many people coming here to show their respect, including Bush and other country leaders. While the government's officials made a complete minute of silence in memoriam, you could hear the rioters chant political bullshit that could have waited another day.

Yep, I am not particularly proud of my country.

I can't cite a proper source, as this is happening as I speak. Here is a native video feed of the news reporting about it. You can't skip the commercial.
http://webcast.tv2.hu/dynamic/index.php ... _id=373410

[salm]

Don´t worry, you´re not alone. We trash our capital every year on the first of may.

I can somehow understand it. Vandalism, while in general not moral, is a hell of a lot of fun.

[K. A. Pital]

Nationalistic riots are... common?

Perhaps that's not really excusing your nation, but as far as I know, Hungary didn't become a land of milk and honey, and your PM lied his ass off about the economic and social situation in the country, which provoked the nationalist riots in the first place (somewhere about a year ago). Am I right or wrong?

[Zixinus]

Nationalistic riots are... common? Confused

I've talked to my brother who lives and studies in the capitol, who's reaction was "again"? I've browsed trough the TV broadcasts, and I've found that its common for the prime minister to be followed by rioters whenever he makes an official appearance.

Perhaps that's not really excusing your nation, but as far as I know, Hungary didn't become a land of milk and honey, and your PM lied his ass off about the economic and social situation in the country, which provoked the nationalist riots in the first place (somewhere about a year ago). Am I right or wrong?

Don't think so. To be honest, one party is very, very found of making false claims and throwing shit like some monkey in the zoo. That's the FIDESZ ("Young Demockrat's Alliance", but in reality, its "Orbán's nationalist cult"), ironically, there are allot of old commies in the party and most of the members are past their 40's.

Then again, I don't pay close attention the poo-flinging that is called our politics. I have teenage angst to deal with, I don't need that shit to depress me even more.

[Zixinus]

Oh, and another thing: see those red-white striped flags? Those are the callsigns of the country's white supremacist (as the Árpád house, the old king family, supposedly had it on its shield). If you bother to look over the link to watch some videos, you will see them commonly among the rioters.

[Johonebesus]

White supremacists? What do they think of Asians like Kazakhs and Mongols? Weren't the Magyars originally from that that part of the world?

[The Duchess of Zeon]

White supremacists? What do they think of Asians like Kazakhs and Mongols? Weren't the Magyars originally from that that part of the world?

As best can be told, Magyar is actually related to Finnish. Yes, I know wikipedia is crap, but in this case it's a nice pretty picture showing the distribution of related languages. Anyhow, Hungarians are largely caucasian and probably in fairness always were. On the other hand their Empire was based entirely around oppressing Slavs.

[Sidewinder]

Oh, and another thing: see those red-white striped flags? Those are the callsigns of the country's white supremacist (as the Árpád house, the old king family, supposedly had it on its shield).

Why would the Hungarians bother with white supremacist bullshit? Do they have problems with minority groups, comparable to the former Yugoslavia's? Do they have problems with immigrants? (Just curious.)

[Imperial Overlord]

Magyar (Hungarian) is part of the Finno-Ugric language group. The two languages split way back, so its not easy to tell they're related. The Ugrese Confederation was a bunch of badass horse nomads on the steppe and Magyars were a part of that before they decided Hungary was a nice place to settle down. Magyar also has a bunch of Turkic derived loan words from when they were nomads.

[Teebs]

I hope the riots don't go on too long, I'm meant to be spending a week in Budapest from Easter onwards with my grandparents (they're Hungarian).

On languages, I speak a bit of Hungarian and have looked at Finnish briefly and as far as I can tell the grammaratical structure is recognisably similar (everything is shown by adding suffixes onto words) but the actual words are completely different.

[Zixinus]

What do they think of Asians like Kazakhs and Mongols? Weren't the Magyars originally from that that part of the world?

Believe stereotypes to be valid generalisation of them. I am not very sure beyond that, as I don't keep up with latest racist thoughts.

As for who and where do Hungarians come from (I do prefer that above "Magyars") the genology is messed up with various people that came here and a lost cause. To note, the original Hungarians were an alliance of tribes that united and in the beginning of the country's history, the kings were pretty liberal in whom they let in.

The Ugrese Confederation was a bunch of badass horse nomads on the steppe and Magyars were a part of that before they decided Hungary was a nice place to settle down.

More like forced to settle down. The rest of Europe was starting to get its act together againts barberians.

Magyar also has a bunch of Turkic derived loan words from when they were nomads.

Plus we continuously fought them for about a century. The Turks that is

Why would the Hungarians bother with white supremacist bullshit? Do they have problems with minority groups, comparable to the former Yugoslavia's? Do they have problems with immigrants? (Just curious.)

Immigrants are viewed as curiosities, and the hated minority group of choice are the gypsies/Romai (to be fair, most of the low-class is composed of them, and there is a high number of supposed criminals among them). They are interested in bringing back the medieval times. And concentration camps.

I hope the riots don't go on too long, I'm meant to be spending a week in Budapest from Easter onwards with my grandparents (they're Hungarian).

As long as you avoid the Parliament building and politicians, you will be most likely be fine. Also, there are mostly riots during national holidays and I don't expect much at Easter.

And avoid discussions about healthcare if you want a politics-free conversation. There is allot of controversy around that at the moment.

[Warsie]

Ahh yeah gotta remember the issues with the Roma. Wasn't a law passed there to make it illegal for Roma to have more than one child? Or was that Hungary or another nation?

And speaking of nationalism, how is Hungary doing with nationalism and the E.U.? What's the sentiment towards that?

[K. A. Pital]

I guess those are just some Hungarian neo-fascist movements - they inevitably have an explicit white supremacist tinge. That neo-fascism and racism are always seen together wherever something happens.

Good luck dealing with those riots, there's a fair bit of very disturbing nationalistic groups in Europe. Shame on us, we also have ours

[Zixinus]

Ahh yeah gotta remember the issues with the Roma. Wasn't a law passed there to make it illegal for Roma to have more than one child?

Not in Hungary.

And speaking of nationalism, how is Hungary doing with nationalism and the E.U.? What's the sentiment towards that?

Well, the leaders of the country were easily "bribed" for joining the EU: money comes in, and some will inevitably pour into politician's pockets. The EU doesn't take away national self-identity and that part seems to be taken with the population.

As for the nationalists, they don't truly have power in the Parliament. Unless you count the politicians swaying them, although those people are just greedy, hypocritical bastards and not fascists.

That neo-fascism and racism are always seen together wherever something happens.

I don't know what's the difference between the two to begin with.

[Warsie]

Not in Hungary.

k

I don't know what's the difference between the two to begin with.

racism does not automatically mean they want a strong government. Look at some parts of the United States, where racists want small limited decentralized government (not calling all libertarians or militias racist)

[Imperial Overlord]

The Ugrese Confederation was a bunch of badass horse nomads on the steppe and Magyars were a part of that before they decided Hungary was a nice place to settle down.

More like forced to settle down. The rest of Europe was starting to get its act together againts barberians.

If by settle down you mean "not raid the rest of Europe" that happened about 200 years after the Magyar tribes and their allies decided they liked Hungary and would stay there. I was speaking merely of their arrival in Hungarian plain and the beginning of settlement, not the abandonment of raiding and warfare.

[Zixinus]

I don't know the numbers, although I do recall that there were several bigger tribes that still lived to old style.

[RIPP_n_WIPE]

I guess those are just some Hungarian neo-fascist movements - they inevitably have an explicit white supremacist tinge. That neo-fascism and racism are always seen together wherever something happens.

Good luck dealing with those riots, there's a fair bit of very disturbing nationalistic groups in Europe. Shame on us, we also have ours

Yeah I actually heard a bit on NPR about neo-nazi groups, complete with Swastikas and pictures of Hitler, being rather prevalent in Eastern Europe (especially Russia). I can quasi understand it here in the states. But christ the nazis raped and pillaged like no tomorrow. They straight up said "We hate slavs. Russians are communist = bad. Kill them". I'm rather confused how you can have support for a man WHO ADVOCATED YOUR OWN EXTERMINATION?

Perhaps you can enlighten me on this?

[K. A. Pital]

Perhaps you can enlighten me on this?

Usually it's the youth. The kind of idiots who don't know history, or think that Slavs are really ubermensh. Idiots.

There's also a problem with migrants from poorer Central Asia and ethnic mafias in Russia, Ukraine, and Eastern Europe.

Thus the morons get "food for thought" and take on Hitler's theories, except now they want to exterminate people East and South of their own respective nations.

Disgusting.

[xerex]

Yeah I actually heard a bit on NPR about neo-nazi groups, complete with Swastikas and pictures of Hitler, being rather prevalent in Eastern Europe (especially Russia). I can quasi understand it here in the states. But christ the nazis raped and pillaged like no tomorrow. They straight up said "We hate slavs. Russians are communist = bad. Kill them". I'm rather confused how you can have support for a man WHO ADVOCATED YOUR OWN EXTERMINATION?

Perhaps you can enlighten me on this?

Becuase they NAzis DIDNT advocate the extermination of Hungarians

The Nazis were quite inventive with categorizing people as Slavic or not.
Groups like the Hungarians, Slovaks, Croats, Slovenes, Bosnians, Albanians, Romanians, Lithuanians etc were NOT included among the 'subhumans'.

hence you had entities like the

The Arrow Cross Party a pro-German anti-Semitic national socialist party led by Ferenc Szálasi which ruled Hungary from October 15, 1944 to January 1945. During its short rule, 80,000 Jews, were deported from Hungary to their deaths. After the war, Szálasi and other Arrow Cross leaders were tried as war criminals by Hungarian courts.

The 25. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS Hunyadi was a Hungarian unit of the Waffen-SS. It was founded on November 2, 1944 in Hungary.

The division personnel was formed from Hungarian volunteers, mainly army men, youngsters of Levente Institution and civilians. Officers and NCOs were transferred to the division by both the German Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS and the Hungarian Honvédség.

you can check up on the pro German Croats and Slovaks here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_Powers

[RIPP_n_WIPE]

*Snip*

The Arrow Cross Party a pro-German anti-Semitic national socialist party led by Ferenc Szálasi which ruled Hungary from October 15, 1944 to January 1945. During its short rule, 80,000 Jews, were deported from Hungary to their deaths. After the war, Szálasi and other Arrow Cross leaders were tried as war criminals by Hungarian courts.

*Snip*

Wow that's forked up. Too bad one can't exterminate based off of ignorance. *Sigh*.

I have to admit though. Though it's a bit out of proportion, the last sentence made me think of Nelson from the Simpsons with a big HA HA!