Sarah Connor Chronicles premiere(spoilers)

[Shrykull]

Not only are they screwing T3, they are also screwing with the Books (not that T3 didn't already screw those over). And those actually made some degree of sense, though admittedly not a lot. In particular, it explains how Skynet manages to do so much damage and set up automated factories to support itself, something that is actually a really big hole in the whole 'lolz evil computer takes over teh world111' plot - how is it that a military computer manages to set up a campaign to take over the world, if it doesn't have any industry, or even any significant robotic forces under its control.

Personally, I think tech-com is playing it all wrong. Ideally, the Tech-Com rebels simply stop Skynet from having the power to take over the world, rather than stopping AI development. It was an astonishing series of really stupid ideas that make Skynet dangerous, some of them so retarded that they make the Starfleet Computer security teams look like geniuses by comparison.

(Seriously, what the hell? NO manual overrides. Give it access to the internet. Give the computer access to every goddamned access code in the entire country. Give it the ability to mimic voices so it can send 'legit' orders to confused human troops. Give it control over the life support systems of every major underground facility, so it can easily take out the entire US leadership.)

Ideally, tech-com finds a way to defeat Skynet without killing it, by say, convincing the engineers involved to build a manual kill switch - this essentially ensures that no such AI will take over, as the risks of it happening are exposed, and as long as precautions are kept, then humanity is safe (for now)

Oh, and I think I know what Summer is playing...it could be a I-950, or some variant thereof.

Sarah said that 3 billion (or 5 billion) people died in T2. I wonder just how much of the world survived? The future battles we see take places solely in the ruins of Los Angeles, but what about people on the other continents? Is the battle against Skynet a world conflict?

[Themightytom]

What I got from it was that the girl killing herself pissed John off, since Cameron wouldn't let him save the girl in order to not draw attention to himself. He knows he's supposed to be this great leader and hero, but neither his mother nor Cameron are letting him become what he is supposed to be, which is the whole point behind why they're protecting him in the first place.

In other words, by the very act of protecting John so he can become a hero, Sarah and Cameron are making it impossible for him to become that hero in the first place. I think its setting things up for John to take more control and to take more risks later on in the series.

pep you are a genius.

[JediToren]

there's supposed to be a deleted scene in T2 where the T800 says he has to eat to maintain his biological covering.

That scene was written for the original Terminator, where he eats a candy bar, wrapper and all. I don't think it was ever filmed for T1 or T2, but something like it was filmed for T3, but cut.

[ArmorPierce]

I thought that all the episodes would be available on the website like hereos so that I would be able to catch up to the series. I've been intentionally missing it so I can come where I left off (at the second episode) but I can't find all the episodes.

[Thanas]

Have you tried Hulu?

[Peptuck]

Oh, dammit, I forgot the second rule.

*awaits shitstorm/moderator beatdown*

[FaxModem1]

Well, the season finale came and went.

Loved the Johnny Cash/FBI sequence.




SPOILERS


So, they gonna get a new body for Cameron?

[Thanas]

I think we can savely avoid spoiler tags, since it has been nearly a month since the season finale.

Anyway, I think Cameron is just fine. Unless that explosion reached temperatures of around 2500 degrees, her exoskeleton is in no danger. Besides, I bet they are just effing with us. Maybe next season will start with her rolling out of the vehicle a split second before the explosion.

[Darth Smiley]

Sarah said that 3 billion (or 5 billion) people died in T2. I wonder just how much of the world survived? The future battles we see take places solely in the ruins of Los Angeles, but what about people on the other continents? Is the battle against Skynet a world conflict?

There are now multiple timelines in the Terminator series, and it's really impossible to tell what is canon but was erased by time travel and what is canon.

In the 'original' timeline Kyle Reese comes from, Skynet comes active in 1997. However, in the alternate timelines, it comes active much later. In T2: The Future War, due to various nuclear weapons reductions, the initial nuclear exchange kills about one billion people, which, as Skynet admits, is "Regrettably small compared to what could have been accomplished a scant five years ago". However, an increase in automation allowed Skynet to start off with a greater number of automated factories, though it was still highly dependent on its human allies in the early stages, before the more advanced units could be produced. Ironically, Skynet's allies were hardcore Luddites, few of which had any idea they were taking orders from a machine.

It should be noted that the nuclear attack was not the whole deal. For one, the entire USN was automated, and all USN ships bigger than a frigate came under Skynet control (again, no manual override). Another nasty bit was the use of automated cars to clog all major evacuation routes prior to Judgment Day - so that survivors could not be rescued and trade became s impossible until the cars were moved. Electronic communications networks all failed, due to EMP or Skynet control. Skynet impersonated government officials to herd people into camps (often using military units that thought they were following legit orders), were small numbers of loyal followers introduced diseases. Throw in some fallout, and civilization essentially collapses.

Honestly though, I don't know why the Chinese and Russians and EU don't get going and smack down Skynet, unless Skynet somehow infiltrated them too. Perhaps Skynet used the USN to prevent non-US military intervention, and assumed that the collapse of the global economy would prevent them from posing a threat for the time being. After all, once it owns the US, and has set up it's own heavy industry, it can then launch a global campaign. Other nations probably have no idea what is really going on anyway, not at first. By the time they do, Skynet is already self sufficient.

[Zor]

So, they gonna get a new body for Cameron?

I see it as much more likely that cameron survives the blast and gets her skin restored. They are rather durable things.

Zor

[Galvatron]

I still think T2 would have been better if John had had an epiphany upon discovering the chip at Cyberdyne and reasoned that his own death could prevent Judgment Day since it would prevent him from ever existing, thus Skynet would never send the first T-800 back to 1984 to kill Sarah, thus Cyberdyne would never acquire the chip in the first place.

Thus John and Sarah both would face a moral dilemma of epic proportions.

[Drooling Iguana]

I see it as much more likely that cameron survives the blast and gets her skin restored. They are rather durable things.

Zor

But it's already been established that new skin = actor change, and I don't think the SCC producers are ready to let go of Summer Glau yet (although it does remain an option if she starts asking for too much money.)

[Thanas]

I see it as much more likely that cameron survives the blast and gets her skin restored. They are rather durable things.

Zor

But it's already been established that new skin = actor change, and I don't think the SCC producers are ready to let go of Summer Glau yet (although it does remain an option if she starts asking for too much money.)

Several writers stated that SG will not been let go, infact the writers love writing for her. Josh Friedman explicitly wrote the role of Cameron for her, and she didn't even have to undergo casting. None of them can imagine T:SCC without her.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Doesn't seem like it's been mentioned yet, but the show's been renewed for a second season.

[Thanas]

Source?

I sure hope it is not E!Online, SpoilerTV or the hollywood reporter.

[Anarchist Bunny]

YES!

I was really worried about this show seeing as how it did mediocre on the ratings beyond the pilot and probably isn't a cheap show to make.

[Thanas]

Actually, the show's ratings are not mediocre at all. It's got excellent demos despite a weak lead in, the DVR numbers are off the scale and it consistently tops itunes and amazon unbox download charts.

But I am still waiting for Spanky to reveal the source of his info, since there is no official communique from Fox or one of the show's staff.

[Singular Intellect]

I see it as much more likely that cameron survives the blast and gets her skin restored. They are rather durable things.

Zor

But it's already been established that new skin = actor change, and I don't think the SCC producers are ready to let go of Summer Glau yet (although it does remain an option if she starts asking for too much money.)

Several writers stated that SG will not been let go, infact the writers love writing for her. Josh Friedman explicitly wrote the role of Cameron for her, and she didn't even have to undergo casting. None of them can imagine T:SCC without her.

I know that if Summer Glau left the show, I'd be much less inclined to watch the show.

[Drooling Iguana]

YES!

I was really worried about this show seeing as how it did mediocre on the ratings beyond the pilot and probably isn't a cheap show to make.

Why wouldn't it be a cheap show to make? There've only been a few major action scenes in the series so far, the locations are pretty much all just places in and around LA, the endoskeletons are almost never seen and when they are it's just a few seconds of relatively cheap CGI and getting bits of silvery plastic to glue to peoples' faces can't be too hard.

The thing with the Terminatorverse is that most of the science fiction elements are implied rather than shown. The first movie was rather low-budget, after all.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Actually, the show's ratings are not mediocre at all. It's got excellent demos despite a weak lead in, the DVR numbers are off the scale and it consistently tops itunes and amazon unbox download charts.

But I am still waiting for Spanky to reveal the source of his info, since there is no official communique from Fox or one of the show's staff.

Well, it was in fact from the Hollywood Reporter, care of TrekMovie. One of those "our sources say" rather than an official PR release, so go ahead and take a grain, but I don't think it's information that should be outright dismissed just because it's only industry buzz.

[Thanas]

Sorry, but I am going to take it with a truckload of salt, since that info is just hot air. At least according to two writers of T:SCC, who told some fans (and I was among them) that nothing was arranged last week and that the article is most likely just speculation.

WHich is why I posted my "I hope it is not from e!online, SpoilerTV or the Hollywood reporter" caveat in my post above, since these "sources" have all just been speculating without any basis.

(I do believe the show will get renewed, though.)

[Peptuck]

But it's already been established that new skin = actor change, and I don't think the SCC producers are ready to let go of Summer Glau yet (although it does remain an option if she starts asking for too much money.)

Several writers stated that SG will not been let go, infact the writers love writing for her. Josh Friedman explicitly wrote the role of Cameron for her, and she didn't even have to undergo casting. None of them can imagine T:SCC without her.

I know that if Summer Glau left the show, I'd be much less inclined to watch the show.

Quoted for truth. I personally think Cameron - and especially Glau's portrayal of the character - is one of the bigger selling points for me when it comes to this series. Though I'll admit that the season finale pretty much made Derek my favorite character, Cameron is still the most interesting, and I'm a big Glau fan myself, ever since Firefly.

[Anarchist Bunny]

It got less than half the average ratings of House, and by cheap I mean a little sitcom show like The War at Home that can get by with medocre ratings by not needing a lot put into it.

[Thanas]

It got less than half the average ratings of House, and by cheap I mean a little sitcom show like The War at Home that can get by with medocre ratings by not needing a lot put into it.

And how are T:SCC's ratings mediocre? They are better than Prison Break while despite the writers strike, they still managed to only fare slightly worse than 24's season one. Nevermind the good demos, since that is nearly all that counts.

House is....House. If you think any Sci-Fi show is ever going to beat House (which is the show with the highest ratings on Fox), I have to question your sanity.

And no, T:SCC does not look like a very cheap show. However, keep in mind that they are reusing a lot of the probs from the warner studio, while keeping the CGI to a minimum. Heck, every episode of BSG has more CGI. And the main cast of T:SCC is very, very small compared to other scifi shows like BSG or the upcoming Joss Whedon project.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Sorry Thanos, I should have rechecked the source before I posted and said it was just a strong rumour rather than running with it.