Amazing fan edit of ANH

[Kurgan]

Chewie was one of the people who saved Luke's bacon so he could blow up the Death Star. R2D2 wasn't. C3PO didn't do jack squat.

And yes, Chewie is going down the center isle, so he deserves his medal. Somebody edited it in there as best he could, and good for him!

[TC Pilot]

So why argue about it?

Good question. Feel free to answer.

They're occupying a prominent position on the steps in front of the entire crowd and you think it doesn't matter?
Yet Chewie does? Even though his position indicates he's at Han's side?

Can't you go at least one post without strawmanning? Stick to the actual argument, idiot.

Chewie walked down the aisle with Han and Luke. The droids didn't. That's what matters. Get that through your amazingly thick skull. How many times do I have to repeat this?

He's there because Han's there. He's a sidekick, and sidekicks don't get medals. Get over it.

I bet you think you're clever pulling that out-of-universe answer out. So guess why the droids are up there: they're main characters.

Dumbass.

[wjs7744]

Maybe the guy's the Y-wing pilot, if he's wearing a helmet.

And still wearing it at the ceremony? Possible, but Luke isn't still wearing his helmet; in fact he has changed his entire outfit, C3PO has been thoroughly polished, and R2 has been fixed up and cleaned too. The idea that all this time has passed and the other guy hasn't even taken his helmet off (despite the other pilots doing so as soon as they landed) suggests to me that he is wearing it for some other reason. God knows what though, it clearly isn't a hard had area or anything.

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[Molyneux]

Maybe the guy's the Y-wing pilot, if he's wearing a helmet.

And still wearing it at the ceremony? Possible, but Luke isn't still wearing his helmet; in fact he has changed his entire outfit, C3PO has been thoroughly polished, and R2 has been fixed up and cleaned too. The idea that all this time has passed and the other guy hasn't even taken his helmet off (despite the other pilots doing so as soon as they landed) suggests to me that he is wearing it for some other reason. God knows what though, it clearly isn't a hard had area or anything.

Religious reason, or covering up a nasty wound, or simple lack of funds for another costume? I dunno. Still, if he is the Y-wing pilot, that's good enough reason for him to be standing up there, I'd think.

[Havok]

I think based on what everyone is wearing in these two shots, that the rebels don't exactly have Dress Blues. So whatever your uniform is for your job, that is what you wear. Even Luke is just wearing regular clothes. Hell, Leia is practically wearing the same dress she was in a garbage compactor in.

I would also guess that the people behind Leia and Dodonna are simply the commanders and senior officers of the cell on Yavin and have every right to be up there as they all had important rolls in the defense of Yavin IV and the battle to destroy the DS.

If you are idiotic enough to question why Chewie is up there, then you are just retarded and clearly didn't watch the movie, as not only does he help with the final blow to the DS, but he helped Luke and Obi-Wan escape Tattooine, helped rescue Princess Leia, and helped deliver the DS plans and PL to the base on Yavin. Also IIRC, he talked Han into going back to help Luke.

[wjs7744]

Religious reason, or covering up a nasty wound, or simple lack of funds for another costume? I dunno. Still, if he is the Y-wing pilot, that's good enough reason for him to be standing up there, I'd think.

I haven't seen the film for a while, but what did he actually accomplish? I don't remember him doing any better than the rest of the pilots, and I certainly didn't get the impression that all the Rebel pilots were given medals (at least not the same medal that Luke and Han got). It's not important, but of your reasons only the first (religion) seems to cut it for me. A bandage would do better for covering a wound, and funding is clearly an out of universe reason. In any case, the reason he's wearing a helmet is hardly important, it's just one of those weird things I guess.

[Havok]

Just surviving a battle doesn't entitle you to a medal. In our world the Y-Wing pilot would certainly get a commendation and recognition for being there and being one of only three, out of thirty to survive, but he wasn't in the trench, wasn't providing cover for Luke, and didn't fire the shot.

I'm sure he gets great respect for surviving, just as Wedge does, but a medal? Surviving, just doesn't rate, especially compared to what Luke, Han and Chewie did.

[wjs7744]

I was under the impression that soldiers did get medals for surviving, but my military knowledge isn't that great so I'll concede the point. Still, there are a wide variety of citations ranging from the Purple Heart (fairly basic, for a medal) all the way to the Congressional Medal of Honour (up there with the VC). Maybe I was thinking of campaign medals, who knows?

[Havok]

I was under the impression that soldiers did get medals for surviving, but my military knowledge isn't that great so I'll concede the point. Still, there are a wide variety of citations ranging from the Purple Heart (fairly basic, for a medal) all the way to the Congressional Medal of Honour (up there with the VC). Maybe I was thinking of campaign medals, who knows?

It is technically a medal, along with a ribbon, but there are levels of what you get based on what you did and how you preformed. Everyone that was in Vietnam, for example, got a medal for being there, but not everyone who is in combat gets a Silver Star and certainly not something on the level of the Congressional, which I think is along the lines of what Han, Luke and Chewie got.

[Darth Servo]

Interesting, but don't those folks know you're supposed to post both "before" and "after" images side-by-side to make it easier to see what you changed/improved?

[Darthbane2011]

if you ask me, isn't it entirely possible that either Chewbacca recieved a medal when the movie ended, or he just didn't want one?

[Uraniun235]

The Battle of Yavin was SIGNIFICANTLY improved, IMO, as is the Falcon's fight against the sentry TIEs.

The improved visuals were fun, but I think the sound effects suffered greatly; they just don't seem to pack the same punch as in the original.

[Kurgan]

How have the sound effects in the battle changed? I didn't notice any difference except the channels are now switched back to how they're supposed to be (rather than reversed, as in the 2004 disc).

Interesting, but don't those folks know you're supposed to post both "before" and "after" images side-by-side to make it easier to see what you changed/improved?

The DVD5 of SWR has a feature-length text-commentary track that indicates when changes have been made in the movie. Not perfect, but until Wookieegroomer releases a side-by-side version, that's the best you're going to get!

[Uraniun235]

There was a sound of a TIE zooming by that occurred right after a reaction shot of Leia and shortly before Han laughs after scoring a kill that seems to have been dropped or changed to be "more consistent".

Also a lot of the sound feels muted in comparison to the music or the new sound effects, and seems to lack the powerful rumble of the original. I would say that it was a result of me watching the XVID version of this fan edit, but I'm comparing this against another XVID rip of the Special Edition.

[McC]

Finally got around to watching this last night. Absolutely wonderful. No complaints from me at all -- indeed, I much prefer it to the 'actual' versions (yes, all of them) release over the years. I highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys Star Wars.

[Kurgan]

There was a sound of a TIE zooming by that occurred right after a reaction shot of Leia and shortly before Han laughs after scoring a kill that seems to have been dropped or changed to be "more consistent".

Also a lot of the sound feels muted in comparison to the music or the new sound effects, and seems to lack the powerful rumble of the original. I would say that it was a result of me watching the XVID version of this fan edit, but I'm comparing this against another XVID rip of the Special Edition.

I'm pretty sure he tweaked the sound from the XVID to the DVD5 (along with a few other things). So I would compare that. Of course the difference in quality is also going to be vastly different.

The sound on the 2004 DVD is all screwed up (compare to the theatrical version).

[Kurgan]

Someone has kindly put together a slideshow of some comparison shots between the 2004 SE DVD and SWR (DVD5 edition):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/doubleofiv ... 285751991/

[Uraniun235]

Oh, also, when the TIE squadron first arrives to the tune of the Imperial March... that shot is kinda lethargic. I think the purely horizontal camera-pan doesn't do it any favors.

[Lord Poe]

Hahaha, they changed the needle on the interrogator droid's syringe into a tiny lightsabre!

Fucking stupid and unnecessary. It was a needle for a reason; to instill terror. It didn't need to be a high-tech laser thing.

And also the arm Obi-Wan lops off is now some weird club thing

That's what it was supposed to be, and was in the original edit of the cantina scene, before Lucas changed it for some reason.

Oi! Where's the rotation effect when the Millennium jumps into hyperspace?!

More stupid fanboy bullshit.

I just watched a few more pieces and it just gets more and more hilariously bad, from them playing dramatic music (the Imperial March followed by the Emperor's Theme) over the Imperial Brass office meeting scene, to moving the playback of Leia's hologram to the beginning of the scene in Obi-Wan's place instead of the end (they watch it, then promptly forget about it for a few minutes while they talk about Anakin, then remember again) to the RotS duel music playing during Obi-Wan and Vader's ultra-slow-paced libghtsabre fight.

Have I said lately how much I hate the general Star Wars fan? Because I do.

First let me say that anyone criticizing it before they've actually watched it needs to actually watch it first.

Bullshit, once again. I don't need to see this fucking mess to comment on it. The descriptions are cringe worthy enough. Its fine if you want to make your own personal edition. But when these retards think they're speaking to all of the fans, that these are the edits all of the fans have been waiting for, and the he's "correcting" ANH, this is when I say, take your delusions of grandeur and shove them up your ass. Another edit I saw on their shot list was making a trooper's head fall to the floor faster, because the actor slowly lowered his, and didn't look "dead" enough. Well, maybe he WASN'T dead, jackass?

Things that Lucas did for emotional impact are now pissed on by these assholes, such as the white-haired rebel getting hit by laserfire on the T-4. We didn't NEED TO SEE THE LASER HITTING HIM. That might be a subtle point flying over the heads of some cunts in the audience that have no sense of cinema whatsoever, but to me, that's like deliberate graffitti.

And quick note to fanboy cunts: The Imperial March doesn't need to be played every time an Imperial opens his fly to take a piss.

[DPDarkPrimus]

"Alderaan explosion replace with a much cooler SG-1 explosion."

That's the only edit I need to know to see that this is a load of fan wankery.

[Kurgan]

Oh, also, when the TIE squadron first arrives to the tune of the Imperial March... that shot is kinda lethargic. I think the purely horizontal camera-pan doesn't do it any favors.

Are you talking about the Xvid version? Because adywan specifically said in the DVD5 version he tweaked it to be a less static pan (if that makes sense).

Hahaha, they changed the needle on the interrogator droid's syringe into a tiny lightsabre!

Fucking stupid and unnecessary. It was a needle for a reason; to instill terror. It didn't need to be a high-tech laser thing.

I agree, it's more like a joke. I don't agree with every change either...

And also the arm Obi-Wan lops off is now some weird club thing

That's what it was supposed to be, and was in the original edit of the cantina scene, before Lucas changed it for some reason.

It's only the "flipper" in the Xvid version (and the old "lost cantina scene" on Behind the Magic of course). On the DVD5 it's a human hand, since technically Evanzan is the one who is standing in front and the one who draws his gun split seconds earlier (that's his gun on the floor too). It's strict continuity now.

Have I said lately how much I hate the general Star Wars fan? Because I do.

Frankly, I wish people would watch the whole thing (and not the Xvid) straight through before criticizing it. Granted, some parts of it I would not have changed (like Vader's eyes, or Tarkin's last appearance, the Duel of the Fates replacing the other music cue during the duel, etc). But still...

First let me say that anyone criticizing it before they've actually watched it needs to actually watch it first.

Bullshit, once again. I don't need to see this fucking mess to comment on it. The descriptions are cringe worthy enough.

Really? So I can criticize other movies without seeing them, so long as I read a description? Somehow that doesn't sound right. Of course I wouldn't blame you not wanting to waste your time downloading a copy and sitting down for 2 hours, but then, that's how you review something. Screenshots and descriptions are one thing, seeing it another. I remember thinking how cool Jabba the Hutt in Star Wars would be, until actually seeing it in the theater. Or hearing that Ian McDiarmand was inserted into ESB 2004 sounded awesome until I actually saw the scene, then I realized how poorly done it was. So it might be better than you expected, or it might be worse...

Its fine if you want to make your own personal edition. But when these retards think they're speaking to all of the fans, that these are the edits all of the fans have been waiting for, and the he's "correcting" ANH, this is when I say, take your delusions of grandeur and shove them up your ass.

Where did he say he was speaking for all the fans? He's gotten a lot of fans lavishing praise on him. It seems like the ones who didn't like it aren't talking to him (or else he's ignoring it). Maybe you should get a hate-mail campaign going? That'd take him down a notch...

Another edit I saw on their shot list was making a trooper's head fall to the floor faster, because the actor slowly lowered his, and didn't look "dead" enough. Well, maybe he WASN'T dead, jackass?

True enough. I always wondered what was going on with that shot since I was a kid. At one time when I was little I thought he was "turning the guy's life support off" (putting wounded comrade out of his misery). I think I was confusing a door opening sound effect.

And quick note to fanboy cunts: The Imperial March doesn't need to be played every time an Imperial opens his fly to take a piss.

Agreed. I actually liked the fact that the IM didn't appear in all the movies, but that's a very common fanboy demand, so can you blame him? So he inserted it twice (Death Star big reveal, TIE attack on the Rebel fighters.

But ultimately, the great thing about fan edits, is they can do whatever they want and you don't have to like it (unlike Lucas, who can inflict his "fan edit" on the world and make it hard to get the real thing in decent quality, and half the fans will defend him).

[Lord Poe]

Really? So I can criticize other movies without seeing them, so long as I read a description? Somehow that doesn't sound right. Of course I wouldn't blame you not wanting to waste your time downloading a copy and sitting down for 2 hours, but then, that's how you review something. Screenshots and descriptions are one thing, seeing it another.

Don't be a brick, dude. If you told me you epoxied a dildo on the hood of my Chevy Venture, I don't need to see the fucking thing to tell you it wasn't a good idea.

Or hearing that Ian McDiarmand was inserted into ESB 2004 sounded awesome until I actually saw the scene, then I realized how poorly done it was.

What was so poorly done about that scene? It beats the shit out of the original Emperor.

Where did he say he was speaking for all the fans? He's gotten a lot of fans lavishing praise on him. It seems like the ones who didn't like it aren't talking to him (or else he's ignoring it). Maybe you should get a hate-mail campaign going? That'd take him down a notch...

I'm not motivated enough to acknowledge him in that way. And fuck you for the cheekiness, BTW.

[Kurgan]

Really? So I can criticize other movies without seeing them, so long as I read a description? Somehow that doesn't sound right. Of course I wouldn't blame you not wanting to waste your time downloading a copy and sitting down for 2 hours, but then, that's how you review something. Screenshots and descriptions are one thing, seeing it another.

Don't be a brick, dude. If you told me you epoxied a dildo on the hood of my Chevy Venture, I don't need to see the fucking thing to tell you it wasn't a good idea.

Except we're not talking about dildos and your personal property, are we? If someone had refused to watch the special edition based on some lists of changes they read on the internet, would you accept and agree with their logic (maybe you would, I don't recall your opinion of the SE's, to be honest)?

Or hearing that Ian McDiarmand was inserted into ESB 2004 sounded awesome until I actually saw the scene, then I realized how poorly done it was.

What was so poorly done about that scene? It beats the shit out of the original Emperor.

Phoned-in dialog (same problem with Boba Fett's redub in ESB), unnecessary prequel pandering alteration of dialog that now makes Vader into an Alzheimers patient or awkwardly playing dumb in front of his boss, diluting the important plot development of the scene from what it was before. Vader saying "howwww is that possible?" is just weak (second only to "Where is Padme, is she safe, is she all right?" and third from "NAaaaaaooooooowww!!!" as awful Vader dialog).

Plus fact that he's all up in your face clear as day now and weird looking (rather than the shadowy figure with the hood arranged just right to give us a sinister dark boss type character). Compare how he looked in ROTJ to how he looks in the 2004 hologram, he just doesn't look right somehow (could be because he's now 30 years older and has put on weight).

It's pretty sad after all the decent Sideous holograms Lucas gave us in the prequels, he has to past a subpar one into ESB for the indefinite future...

Adywan's new version of that scene (on the DVD5) is much better, as it fulfills the fanboy demand of Ian in the scene, gives you the same lines as Clive's dialog (except he says "the young Skywalker" as Ian never says "Luke" in any of the movies), and fits the "look" he had in ROTJ.

Where did he say he was speaking for all the fans? He's gotten a lot of fans lavishing praise on him. It seems like the ones who didn't like it aren't talking to him (or else he's ignoring it). Maybe you should get a hate-mail campaign going? That'd take him down a notch...

I'm not motivated enough to acknowledge him in that way. And fuck you for the cheekiness, BTW.

Good, so keep your nitpicky comments to yourself, and let him have the glory.

[Havok]

First let me say that anyone criticizing it before they've actually watched it needs to actually watch it first.

Bullshit, once again. I don't need to see this fucking mess to comment on it. The descriptions are cringe worthy enough.

Really? So I can criticize other movies without seeing them, so long as I read a description? Somehow that doesn't sound right. Of course I wouldn't blame you not wanting to waste your time downloading a copy and sitting down for 2 hours, but then, that's how you review something. Screenshots and descriptions are one thing, seeing it another. I remember thinking how cool Jabba the Hutt in Star Wars would be, until actually seeing it in the theater. Or hearing that Ian McDiarmand was inserted into ESB 2004 sounded awesome until I actually saw the scene, then I realized how poorly done it was. So it might be better than you expected, or it might be worse...

Wayne HAS seen the movie. He doesn't need to watch this amateur drivel to decide it's bullshit.

But ultimately, the great thing about fan edits, is they can do whatever they want and you don't have to like it (unlike Lucas, who can inflict his "fan edit" on the world and make it hard to get the real thing in decent quality, and half the fans will defend him).

I'm sorry, but calling Lucas's changes "fan edits" is going too far. Most of his changes were made because they were things he couldn't do when he was first making the movie, due either to lack of time, money or technology or at least made some sense. Fans deciding to change Star Wars is just fucking bull shit. It would be like nobody painters making changes on classic masterpieces.