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Woman sues for repayment of Civil War Debt

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TAMPA — In the early months of the Civil War, the city of Tampa needed ammunition and other supplies to defend against attack but apparently was short on cash.

So it issued a promissory note for $299.58 to storekeeper Thomas Pugh Kennedy on June 21, 1861.

Kennedy's great-granddaughter says the city never made good on its loan. Now, Joan Kennedy Biddle and her family are suing to collect the payment plus 8 percent annual interest.

The total bill: $22.7-million.

"Obviously we came at a bad time because the city seems like they're trying to cut their budget," she said. "On the other hand, they're building the Riverwalk."

Attorney James Purdy filed the suit in the Hillsborough Circuit Court last week. He did not return calls for comment.

Biddle wouldn't give specifics on why she decided to sue now, using as evidence a piece of paper that has been handed down as an heirloom for generations.

"This thing has been in the family since the date on the note, and it has never been repaid," said Biddle, 77. "My daddy told me, and I certainly believe him."

Tampa City Attorney David Smith said he doesn't consider the claim valid.

In legal documents, Biddle's attorney argues that the statute of limitations doesn't apply in the case because at the time the note was issued, the state had no such statute on such documents.

And Biddle pointed out that in the 1990s the federal government agreed to pay the Seminole tribe for land illegally taken in the 1820s.

But attorney John Grandoff said the city can defend against the case using the "doctrine of laches," which prevents claims from being made after an extraordinary passage of time.

"It's kind of how the court feels about whether it's been too long or not," Grandoff said. "It's total discretion on the judge's part."

Rodney Kite-Powell, curator at the Tampa Bay History Center, noted that the Tampa of 1861 is not the same city that exists today — literally.

Tampa was originally incorporated in 1855, but was abolished in 1869 in part because residents had no money to pay taxes, and the city had no money to pay its bills, Kite-Powell said. It was reincorporated in 1887.

At the time the note was issued, Tampa was a tiny town with about 800 residents, city limits that included just a portion of downtown. It also was home to Fort Brooke, where local Confederate soldiers were stationed.

Biddle's great-grandfather, Thomas Pugh Kennedy, was one of the city's most significant pioneers, Kite-Powell said.

He operated a store with business partner John Darling.

"Merchants are always important because they're the way people get stuff — from cannons to clothing and food," he said. "People really relied on these early merchants to supply people with what they needed."

Joan Kennedy Biddle grew up on Davis Islands and attended Plant High School. She moved to east Hillsborough in the 1960s and ran a lumber business with her late husband. She now owns a three-bedroom home in Brandon.

Biddle said she's known about the note since she was a little girl. "I showed it to the attorney, and he said it looked very interesting," she said. "It's strange that the thing has never been collected."
Now, seems to me this woman is out of luck, not just because the current city of Tampa isn't the same city that issued the note, but because of section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Still, I always think its neat when stuff like this happens.
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Indeed, I'm surprised the judge hasn't through it out already thanks to Amendment XIV. Chances of $22 million being paid = zero.
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But she's not suing the state, she's suing the city of Tampa. Does the "no payment of CSA debts" extend to cities as well as states? (You know that's an argument her lawyer will use)
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Broomstick wrote:Does the "no payment of CSA debts" extend to cities as well as states? (You know that's an argument her lawyer will use)
Hey, as long as her lawyers can also demonstrate that the city of Tampa does not receive any funding from state taxes... :P
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What a whiner- loaning money to rebels to kill American soldiers then 150 years later demanding a lottery payday.

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Broomstick wrote:But she's not suing the state, she's suing the city of Tampa. Does the "no payment of CSA debts" extend to cities as well as states? (You know that's an argument her lawyer will use)
Except the city is part of the state. It doesn't even have the excuse of dissenting against the rest of Florida about succeeding from the Union.
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Well, you have to consider the fact that the 'city of Tampa' which authorized the loan was dissolved in 1869 and reformed 10 years later, so it is a different city with the same name that exists today.

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Is there any statute of limitations on the collection or payment of debts?

I would also think that their ability to collect interest on the debt would be subject to the original terms of the promissory note. If the previous city of Tampa only agreed to pay back the exact amount it borrowed it might be pretty tough to justify the 8% interest.
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Have some printer print up 22million in Confed dollars for her then :twisted: and pay off the debt...
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