Fox Anchor Walks Off Set Over Obama

[ray245]

But the issue remains that humans are living longer and longer...so unless you propose that we lower our lifespan, it's something we have to live with..

[Broomstick]

Dude, if you're 60, or even 40, and still doing the work of your 20's, that means you haven't been promoted. You may be a healthy buck, but you're also a dud. By the time you get older, you're managing workers because of your experience, not being the workers.

Oh, right, because EVERYONE becomes a manager by 40

There are actually some very GOOD reasons to continue to do the work you did in your 20's and 40's into your 60's. Doctors, for example, are not "duds" for continuing to work in their medical specialties. Neither are artists. You also ignore that fact that it is quite possible to change careers, at which point in your 40's you may be on the bottom of the pecking order because you're entry-level, not because of inherent incompetence. A good example of that might be a woman who spent her 20's-40's raising children who enters the paying workforce at, say, 45.

Not to mention the changes the economy undergoes can play merry hell with anyone's life plans - I know a lot of people who were in computers and IT before the dot.com bust who started over in different careers.

All I can say is that if you think someone who is 40 who is NOT a manager is a "dud" or loser I can only wish that life throws you the sort of curveball that proves the error of your assumptions.

OTOH, extending the retirement age means that a lot of top-post positions will be filled (especially with the number of Baby Boomers), and so those young guys in their 20's may well end up staying in their positions because there's no upward mobility. Right now a workforce has upward mobility because of death & retirement; close off the 'retirement' side of things and that leaves only death-- which is becoming rarer and rarer (in a way) due to increased safety standards and medicine.

So... if you can't move up where you are, move into an area where you can. Or do you have a reason to oppose switching careers, other than it requires some effort and some risk?

You also assume that people will continue to WANT to do the same sort of work for a half century. "Downsizing" a job in your 50's or 60's is not unhead of, in fact, many people who take "early retirement" from a corporation do just that, moving into a less stressful position for some time prior to full retirement.

There are also certain industries and professions that do, in fact, have an age limit. Professional athletes, as we all know, have a limited career and the more stressful the game the shorter that is. Airline pilots must leave that job at 60 in the US and 65 in Europe (the US is considering raising it to 65), and air traffic controllers are forced out even earlier, at 55. What do you think these people do NOW?

There are corporations that insist on a mandatory retirement age for their company officers precisely to things from fossilizing and allow upward migration of staff.

A certain number of people every year leave steady employment to pursue entrepreneurial dreams - that isn't likely to change, either. For all these reasons I think the potential bottleneck you describe will not be a huge problem.

True, a stagnant job is better than no job at all, but could there potentially be future where old geezers are clogging the system with multiply-redundant job posts to keep them busy, while increasing numbers of school graduates just aren't hired to begin with because the folks before them in their 20's and 30's are still in the entry-level jobs?

Society would be a hell of a lot better off if we trained more people to be plumbers than pencil pushers.

We also need to make re-training in new fields more available to people who already hold degrees. As I recently found out, training programs tend to be limited to those with either no high school diploma or no college degree -- but with advancing technology making some professions obsolete I find that a flawed model. We need to retrain smart people who have fallen on hard times as well as those who didn't finish high school.

[Broomstick]

But the issue remains that humans are living longer and longer...so unless you propose that we lower our lifespan, it's something we have to live with..

You are confusing average lifespan with maximum lifespan.

The AVERAGE person is living longer, but the ultimate age of death hasn't changed, really. Those few who make it past 110 are pretty used up and damn rare.

The average lifespan went up largely because we eliminated stuff that killed people earlier - bad food, bad sewage disposal, infectious disease. The stuff that used to kill a lot of kids and young adults. We've also made the world safer, so many types of accidents have gone down in occurrence. Most people will still die between 70 and 80 due to "natural causes", that is, old age.

Barring some major breakthrough we might get more people living to 75, and being healthier along the way, but we aren't all going to be living to 150 while dancing a jig.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

Not that I oppose change, I am especially in favor of change for the better, but REAL change can be painful while you're undergoing it. Just something to keep in mind. Are you ready to make some sacrifices for a better world?

You bet your ass I am, which is why I'm relatively hyped over Obama. I've seen so many people I care deeply about fucked over socially, culturally, and economically, whether it's because they're gay, or black, or got laid off, or have to commute sixty miles a day to the only available job in the area, or have a host of medical problems that they have to fight tooth and nail to get even partial coverage for and are still up to their eyes in debt. I've dealt with it enough myself that I'm willing to give my blood and go through a shit-ton more pain if it offers the people I love a chance at a better life. I've been frustrated at every end so far because, as far as I could tell, there was no real way I could effectively do this as a vast majority of the people around me were more content to sit around in their own apathy. I'm not going to sacrifice myself if there is zero chance of that sacrifice having any effect.

But with Obama, I've noticed people are actually sitting up, taking notice and actually talking about it, and that gets me excited. Because if more people are taking notice, that means that there's more chance of a change for the better being made. And if it gets to the point where my own actions and sacrifices can effectively help that, then I will more than readily give everything I have for the sake of the ones I love.

[Shogoki]

Here's the walk off video, for those who haven't seen it.

It seems that Fox News is finally getting so bad their own shit shovelers are getting disgusted.

[Stravo]

Here's the walk off video, for those who haven't seen it.

It seems that Fox News is finally getting so bad their own shit shovelers are getting disgusted.

I don't see why anyone is so shocked, Sean Hannity announced it last week on his show when this Pastor Wright nonsense first broke. One guest pointed out that John McCain was not calling Obama on stuff like this because he's trying to run a clean campaign. Sean replies without hesitation "That's what we're here for. We'll have to do the attacking to get at the truth."

So there you have it from the mouthpiece network of the GOP. Get ready for racial swiftboating up the ass this election cycle but McCain will be able to maintain clean hands. Gee must be nice to run a negative campaign without being able to be called on it.

[Darth Wong]

Dude, if you're 60, or even 40, and still doing the work of your 20's, that means you haven't been promoted. You may be a healthy buck, but you're also a dud. By the time you get older, you're managing workers because of your experience, not being the workers.

I know people who have turned down promotions because they would rather avoid management. Managers are expected to work longer hours, and the responsibility often falls on their heads when things go sour, even if they didn't personally do anything wrong. Not everyone lives to work; some people are happy as long as they're getting paid a decent amount of money and their job stress is manageable.

In fact, one of the big problems with our society is that people live in a constant state of fear and stress, and it makes them profoundly unhappy. It causes marital stress, parenting problems, the whole nine yards.

[Stravo]

Dude, if you're 60, or even 40, and still doing the work of your 20's, that means you haven't been promoted. You may be a healthy buck, but you're also a dud. By the time you get older, you're managing workers because of your experience, not being the workers.

I know people who have turned down promotions because they would rather avoid management. Managers are expected to work longer hours, and the responsibility often falls on their heads when things go sour, even if they didn't personally do anything wrong. Not everyone lives to work; some people are happy as long as they're getting paid a decent amount of money and their job stress is manageable.

In fact, one of the big problems with our society is that people live in a constant state of fear and stress, and it makes them profoundly unhappy. It causes marital stress, parenting problems, the whole nine yards.

Michael Moore in his movie Sicko does make a point of illustrating that people are afraid all the time because so much is tied into their jobs. They graduate college already up to their eye balls in debt forcing them to work just ot pay off that debt. If they lose their jobs not only is their credit ruined because they can't pay their school debt but most people get their health care through health insurance provided by your job so you also lose that as well.

So in the end you work hard and don't rock the boat because you're seriously in debt and losing the job not only means not being able to pay your bills but possibly dying if you get too sick. A wonderful way to keep a working class under your thumb.