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NY Times wrote:SAN DIEGO — In a highly unusual outbreak of measles here last month, 12 children fell ill; nine of them had not been inoculated against the virus because their parents objected, and the other three were too young to receive vaccines.

The parents who objected to their children being inoculated are among a small but growing number of vaccine skeptics in California and other states who take advantage of exemptions to laws requiring vaccinations for school-age children.

The exemptions have been growing since the early 1990s at a rate that many epidemiologists, public health officials and physicians find disturbing.

Children who are not vaccinated are unnecessarily susceptible to serious illnesses, they say, but also present a danger to children who have had their shots — the measles vaccine, for instance, is only 95 percent effective — and to those children too young to receive certain vaccines.

Measles, almost wholly eradicated in the United States through vaccines, can cause pneumonia and brain swelling, which in rare cases can lead to death. The measles outbreak here alarmed public health officials, sickened babies and sent one child to the hospital.

Every state allows medical exemptions, and most permit exemptions based on religious practices. But an increasing number of the vaccine skeptics belong to a different group — those who object to the inoculations because of their personal beliefs, often related to an unproven notion that vaccines are linked to autism and other disorders.

Twenty states, including California, Ohio and Texas, allow some kind of personal exemption, according to a tally by the Johns Hopkins University.

“I refuse to sacrifice my children for the greater good,” said Sybil Carlson, whose 6-year-old son goes to school with several of the children hit by the measles outbreak here. The boy is immunized against some diseases but not measles, Ms. Carlson said, while his 3-year-old brother has had just one shot, protecting him against meningitis.

“When I began to read about vaccines and how they work,” she said, “I saw medical studies, not given to use by the mainstream media, connecting them with neurological disorders, asthma and immunology.”

Ms. Carlson said she understood what was at stake. “I cannot deny that my child can put someone else at risk,” she said.

In 1991, less than 1 percent of children in the states with personal-belief exemptions went without vaccines based on the exemption; by 2004, the most recent year for which data are available, the percentage had increased to 2.54 percent, said Saad B. Omer, an assistant scientist at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

While nationwide over 90 percent of children old enough to receive vaccines get them, the number of exemptions worries many health officials and experts. They say that vaccines have saved countless lives, and that personal-belief exemptions are potentially dangerous and bad public policy because they are not based on sound science.

“If you have clusters of exemptions, you increase the risk of exposing everyone in the community,” said Dr. Omer, who has extensively studied disease outbreaks and vaccines.

It is the absence, or close to it, of some illnesses in the United States that keep some parents from opting for the shots. Worldwide, 242,000 children a year die from measles, but it used to be near one million. The deaths have dropped because of vaccination, a 68 percent decrease from 2000 to 2006.

“The very success of immunizations has turned out to be an Achilles’ heel,” said Dr. Mark Sawyer, a pediatrician and infectious disease specialist at Rady Children’s Hospital in San Diego. “Most of these parents have never seen measles, and don’t realize it could be a bad disease so they turn their concerns to unfounded risks. They do not perceive risk of the disease but perceive risk of the vaccine.”

Dr. Sawyer and the vast majority of pediatricians believe strongly that vaccinations are the cornerstone of sound public health. Many doctors view the so-called exempters as parasites, of a sort, benefiting from the otherwise inoculated majority.

Most children get immunized to measles from a combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, a live virus.

While the picture of an unvaccinated child was once that of the offspring of poor and uneducated parents, “exempters” are often well educated and financially stable, and hold a host of like-minded child-rearing beliefs.

Vaccine skeptics provide differing explanations for their belief that vaccines may cause various illnesses and disorders, including autism.

Recent news that a federal vaccine court agreed to pay the family of an autistic child in Georgia who had an underlying mitochondrial disorder has led some skeptics to speculate that vaccines may worsen such conditions. Again, researchers say there is no evidence to support this thesis.

Alexandra Stewart, director of the Epidemiology of U.S. Immunization Law project at George Washington University, said many of these parents are influenced by misinformation obtained from Web sites that oppose vaccination.

“The autism debate has convinced these parents to refuse vaccines to the detriment of their own children as well as the community,” Ms. Stewart said.

While many parents meet deep resistance and even hostility from pediatricians when they choose to delay, space or reject vaccines, they are often able to find doctors who support their choice.

“I do think vaccines help with the public health and helping prevent the occasional fatality,” said Dr. Bob Sears, the son of the well-known child-care author by the same name, who practices pediatrics in San Clemente. Roughly 20 percent of his patients do not vaccinate, Dr. Sears said, and another 20 percent partially vaccinate.

“I don’t think it is such a critical public health issue that we should force parents into it,” Dr. Sears said. “I don’t lecture the parents or try to change their mind; if they flat out tell me they understand the risks I feel that I should be very respectful of their decision.”

Some parents of unvaccinated children go to great lengths to expose their children to childhood diseases to help them build natural immunities.

In the wake of last month’s outbreak, Linda Palmer considered sending her son to a measles party to contract the virus. Several years ago, the boy, now 12, contracted chicken pox when Ms. Palmer had him attend a gathering of children with that virus.

“It is a very common thing in the natural-health oriented world,” Ms. Palmer said of the parties.

She ultimately decided against the measles party for fear of having her son ostracized if he became ill.

In the late 1960s and 1970s, measles outbreaks in Alaska and California triggered strong enforcement of vaccine mandates by states, and exemption laws followed.

While the laws vary from state to state, most allow children to attend school if their parents agree to keep them home during any outbreak of illnesses prevented by vaccines. The easier it is to get an exemption — some states require barely any paperwork — the more people opt for them, according to Dr. Omer’s research, supported by other vaccine experts.

There are differences within states, too. There tend to be geographic clusters of “exempters” in certain counties or even neighborhoods or schools. According to a 2006 article in The Journal of The American Medical Association, exemption rates of 15 percent to 18 percent have been found in Ashland, Ore., and Vashon, Wash. In California, where the statewide rate is about 1.5 percent, some counties were as high as 10 percent to 19 percent of kindergartners.

In the San Diego measles outbreak, four of the cases, including the first one, came from a single charter school, and 17 children stayed home during the outbreak to avoid contracting the illness.

There is substantial evidence that communities with pools of unvaccinated clusters risk infecting a broad community that includes people who have been inoculated.

For instance, in a 2006 mumps outbreak in Iowa that infected 219 people, the majority of those sickened had been vaccinated. In a 2005 measles outbreak in Indiana, there were 34 cases, including six people who had been vaccinated.

Here in California, six pertussis outbreaks infected 24 people in 2007; only 2 of 24 were documented as having been appropriately immunized.

A surveillance program in the mid ’90s in Canada of infants and preschoolers found that cases of Hib fell to between 8 and 10 cases a year from 550 a year after a vaccine program was begun, and roughly half of those cases were among children whose vaccine failed.
snip wrote:In a highly unusual outbreak of measles here last month, 12 children fell ill; nine of them had not been inoculated against the virus because their parents objected, and the other three were too young to receive vaccines.
This should make the other three parents furious. How can people possibly justify this behavior when it makes other people seriously ill?
Twenty states, including California, Ohio and Texas, allow some kind of personal exemption, according to a tally by the Johns Hopkins University.
I remember that Utah was no-nonsense about that sort of thing when I was growing up. I'm glad I was out of public education before this became common.

There are a couple more things in the article that especially ticked me off.
“I do think vaccines help with the public health and helping prevent the occasional fatality,” said Dr. Bob Sears, the son of the well-known child-care author by the same name, who practices pediatrics in San Clemente. Roughly 20 percent of his patients do not vaccinate, Dr. Sears said, and another 20 percent partially vaccinate.

“I don’t think it is such a critical public health issue that we should force parents into it,” Dr. Sears said. “I don’t lecture the parents or try to change their mind; if they flat out tell me they understand the risks I feel that I should be very respectful of their decision.”
I'm furious that there's a licensed medical practitioner to lend credence to this nonsense. It's much harder to stamp out stupidity when it's endorsed by "experts". Here's hoping that a medical ethics board examines his practices.
Some parents of unvaccinated children go to great lengths to expose their children to childhood diseases to help them build natural immunities.

In the wake of last month’s outbreak, Linda Palmer considered sending her son to a measles party to contract the virus. Several years ago, the boy, now 12, contracted chicken pox when Ms. Palmer had him attend a gathering of children with that virus.
:wtf: The above is just so macabre. I'm stunned to think that these parents actually believe exposure to the full disease is safer than the carefully prepared cultures in a vaccine.

This last little bit I noticed scares the crap out of me
There are differences within states, too. There tend to be geographic clusters of “exempters” in certain counties or even neighborhoods or schools. According to a 2006 article in The Journal of The American Medical Association, exemption rates of 15 percent to 18 percent have been found in Ashland, Ore., and Vashon, Wash. In California, where the statewide rate is about 1.5 percent, some counties were as high as 10 percent to 19 percent of kindergartners.
To think that there's such a large a potential disease pool within a few hours (at most) of many metropolitan areas. Unfortunately I think the only way this idiocy will be put to bed is if there are more of those outbreaks mentioned at the start.
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Those nine "parents" should immediately be stripped of their custodial rights, and banned from ever having children again.

In the wake of last month’s outbreak, Linda Palmer considered sending her son to a measles party to contract the virus. Several years ago, the boy, now 12, contracted chicken pox when Ms. Palmer had him attend a gathering of children with that virus.
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No, you have it all wrong! My personal right to act out being a nutty screwball overrides any potential safety risks that concern society. See? I'm more important than society as a whole! Vaccines are bad!
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OT: I guess we could also call this a failure of the Voluntaryist paradigm. Given an option, large numbers of people are choosing to opt out. And while it's not a majority, it's certainly large enough to pose risks to other people complying with the requirement.

[back on topic]: Maybe we'll get another careful look at those exemptions; exempters can't attend public schools.
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I've heard of 'pox parties' for chicken-pox, since there's no vaccine for it and the disease is generally harmless, but deliberately infecting your child with a potentially deadly infectious disease is BEYOND idiotic, and should be grounds for having your parental rights taken away.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:I've heard of 'pox parties' for chicken-pox, since there's no vaccine for it and the disease is generally harmless
IIRC, a chicken pox vaccine was developed a few years ago.

And for just a quick nitpick, it's mostly harmless when contracted as a child, but fucks you over as an adult.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:I've heard of 'pox parties' for chicken-pox, since there's no vaccine for it and the disease is generally harmless
IIRC, a chicken pox vaccine was developed a few years ago.

And for just a quick nitpick, it's mostly harmless when contracted as a child, but fucks you over as an adult.
It can be pretty damn unpleasant for a child. My sisters got off easy with a very mild case, but I got hit with both barrels. I ended up with sores appearing on my tongue, ear canal and just inside the anus as well as almost every else externally. The internal pox sites didn't just itch, they hurt like hell too. Thanks to vaccines, I got to avoid all the other childhood illnesses, jsut wish they had a chicken-pox one back then.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:I've heard of 'pox parties' for chicken-pox, since there's no vaccine for it and the disease is generally harmless
IIRC, a chicken pox vaccine was developed a few years ago.

And for just a quick nitpick, it's mostly harmless when contracted as a child, but fucks you over as an adult.
Hm, I hadn't heard about the CP vaccine. Looks like my kids will get off easy.
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Ms. Carlson said she understood what was at stake. “I cannot deny that my child can put someone else at risk,” she said.
This bitch particularly infuriates me. So, it's okay if your son goes to, say, a Measles Party, contracts the disease, then starts a mini-epidemic killing several children?

It's sickening, but I suppose what it would really to kill off the anti-vaccine skeptics as a decent sized group would be a rather nasty outbreak in one of these "clusters" of unvaccinated children. Seeing a bunch of dead children from measles, or diptheria, would at the very least shock a lot of people into shying away from this crap (probably not the diehards, but anyone who might be sympathetic).
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There is a CP vaccine, and my little girl has had it or will (I can't remember which ones she gets, but she gets all the 'standard' ones). I find it totally irresponsible as a parent to NOT vaccinate a child. My wife and I have come to words, as she objects to some vaccines which aren't 'standard'. I'm somewhat lenient on this since her objection isn't unproven risk of neurological disorders but the fact that vaccines seem to take a toll on our little Ruby.

As for "measles parties"- WTF?!??!

I remember reading about these things happening in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the idea being that mothers could take care of all their children at once or groups of mothers could share in the burden. I'm reminded of a Dawkins documentary on "natural medicine" where he says that just because something is "centuries old" doesn't mean it's good.

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The worst bit is there are some little enclaves where non-compliance is over 10%. One carrier reaching a metropolitan area, and it goes from small tragic outbreak to mini-pandemic. With lots of the folks whose immunity has waned suffering.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Awww... there's my niece! And hey, your beard is back!
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Such parties are acceptable in an age without vaccines. Today, they are totally redundant and add risk that, although less for children than adults, is still there which MMR eradicates.

People are just stupid that way.
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I don't think there is an excuse for "measles parties" even without vaccination. Innoculation has been around at least since it was introduced into Europe in the early 18th century, and before in other areas. If these parents are so concerned about their children not getting vaccinations, they should at least tried to have their kids go through innoculation.
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Part of this anti-vaccine movement among dumb ass parents is the growing urban legend that vacinations cause Autism. Cases of autism are growing and some parents have been frightened into thinking if the vaccinate their children they might run the risk of autism.

I knew one mom who had avoided having her son vaccinated for months and his pediatrician was practically begging her to get him vaccinated, What I don't think she realizes is that schools in NYC require immunization records and if they are not up to date the child is not allowed to attend. Unlike California and this retarded opt out rule.

When it comes to public health and safety opting out should never be an option. You want to let your son die by denying him a blood transfusion? You be the heartless fucktard. You want to get my daughter sick because you're too stupid to understand how vaccinations work then that's your stupidity affecting me and that's where it stops.
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Stravo wrote:Part of this anti-vaccine movement among dumb ass parents is the growing urban legend that vacinations cause Autism. Cases of autism are growing and some parents have been frightened into thinking if the vaccinate their children they might run the risk of autism.
How did this urban legend start, anyway?
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Stravo wrote:You want to let your son die by denying him a blood transfusion? You be the heartless fucktard.
:shock: I guess in such situations the person should be prosecuted and jailed for criminal neglience leading to death of a human being.

As a note, do they prosecute people who deny blood transfusions to relatives? Are there any penalties for rejecting vaccines? Really, there should be stricter punishment for that shit. It's deadly.
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Eulogy wrote:
Stravo wrote:Part of this anti-vaccine movement among dumb ass parents is the growing urban legend that vacinations cause Autism. Cases of autism are growing and some parents have been frightened into thinking if the vaccinate their children they might run the risk of autism.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:I've heard of 'pox parties' for chicken-pox, since there's no vaccine for it
Not true any longer - there's been a vaccine for chicken pox for some years now.
deliberately infecting your child with a potentially deadly infectious disease is BEYOND idiotic, and should be grounds for having your parental rights taken away.
Prior to effective vaccines for many childhood diseases, such "disease parties" were actually a common tactic. It wasn't totally insane - many of these diseases are less likely to cause debility or death in young children (assuming they're past infancy/toddlerhood) and it allowed some control of timing, in that you'd have children exposed when healthy, rather than, say, when recovering from some other illness. In that context it made sense although there were clearly risks and that was also known by the parents.

Now, there's no excuse for it.

I can't help but contrast some of this to when I was a kid. You just fucking got vaccinated, even if there WERE medical contraindications. As an example, I was vaccinated for smallpox despite having active eczema, which put me at significant risk of a reaction called eczema vaccinatum which, at the time, had a 40% mortality rate. Survivors had to undergo extensive skin grafting, as the condition destroys the skin affected. Obviously that didn't happen but despite a much higher real risk of adverse reactions I got jabbed with the needle.

Certainly, there can be valid medical reasons for exemption from mandatory vaccination and such people should not be barred from public schools or public places - but that's a MUCH smaller percentage than these opinionated fuckwits. If you wish to pass on vaccination for, say, religious reasons then you can fucking go to a school composed of people of similar selfish beliefs.
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Stravo wrote:You want to let your son die by denying him a blood transfusion? You be the heartless fucktard.
:shock: I guess in such situations the person should be prosecuted and jailed for criminal neglience leading to death of a human being.

As a note, do they prosecute people who deny blood transfusions to relatives? Are there any penalties for rejecting vaccines? Really, there should be stricter punishment for that shit. It's deadly.
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In Russia that would have resulted in the person being prosecuted for neglient slaughter and thrown in jail. That's really strange of the US that people who kill by denying medical assistance get a free pass for religion.

I mean, people who take out guns and start shooting in the name of God don't get the same treatment allright.

At the very least such people should lose parenting rights forever. And that's a slap on the wrist.
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These asshole parents who refuse to vaccinate their children and put everyone else's kids at risk deserve the worst kind of contempt. As was said in a few threads, it'll probably take kids starting to drop dead from these diseases before these assholes come to their senses. The thing to do is that if their kid isn't vaccinated, have them pay all costs out of pocket and deny them medical insurance payments related to this. If it drives them homeless and bankrupt, good fucking riddance. Not a position that I would normally take, but in these cases I make an exception.
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What these idiots don't realize is that measles infection parties in the 19th century were part of a calculated system of survival--since measles is worse for adults--where you infect them then rather than their getting it in the future and dying from it. However, they still could, and did, die from it--so you just bury them and have another kid. Infant mortality rates were still high enough then, mortality rates were for children in general, that people could be pretty callous like that. In the modern era, the pampered and indulged children of these fools--they have no idea that in their effort to protect them according to their pseudoscientific bullshit, they're treating them like expendable commodities.
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As AV has already stated, "pox parties" were acceptable in an age before vaccines. I remember being asked to go play with a kid down the street once when I was about 7. Two or three other boys who I didn't know too well were there also.

A few days later I came down with a lovely case of Mumps. I suppose it's best I got it then (1981ish) than now, but today this would truly seem archaic to me since the invention of a reliable MMR jab.

IIRC I'd already had chicken pox, rubella and measles so mum wanted to complete the set.

AV, do you have any source on the dates when MMR started to be issued on the NHS in the UK? I'm wondering if it was available during my childhood or not. I remember getting my tetanus shots and polio sugar cube but that was about it.

In the case stated in the OP, it really does scream of negligence. If something's available to help, take it. This whackaloon, for example;

[quote="Crazy Whackaloon who's been reading too many unsourced articles "not available to the general media""]
“I refuse to sacrifice my children for the greater good,” said Sybil Carlson, whose 6-year-old son goes to school with several of the children hit by the measles outbreak here. The boy is immunized against some diseases but not measles, Ms. Carlson said, while his 3-year-old brother has had just one shot, protecting him against meningitis. [/quote]

Should have her parental rights immediately revoked and the kids jabitty jab jabbed as soon as possible while alternative arrangements for their care are found. This kind of "bad for the kids!" think reminds me of those idiots who put their newborn baby on a strict vegan diet and then wondered why it died at six weeks old.
EBC: Mississippi Division Sleeper Unit "The Sad Weimaraners".
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