Vaccine Exempters/Parasites

[Admiral Valdemar]

MMR was created in the '60s and used widespread in the '70s (I'm going by Wikipedia here, I'm too comfy sitting here to check my microbiology texts which likely wouldn't go into NHS dates anyway). I would imagine if you were born in the last three decades, you'd have had it at some point, along with the usual vaccinations for a singular disease.

A cocktail is just more efficient in money and time and with the diseases being countered, is not all that difficult to go about doing. So why not have a three-in-one action? I'd rather that than three separate jabs any day.

Herd immunity in this country has gone up a bit, last I checked. Straight after the MMR and autism story broke, it went right down from the 95% optimal to the low-eighties. And then the outbreaks began.

[Flakin]

MMR was created in the '60s and used widespread in the '70s (I'm going by Wikipedia here, I'm too comfy sitting here to check my microbiology texts which likely wouldn't go into NHS dates anyway). I would imagine if you were born in the last three decades, you'd have had it at some point, along with the usual vaccinations for a singular disease.

Heh, sorry, just wondered if you knew offhand. According to this BBC News article it says 1988 was the first year it was available in the UK. This makes sense considering that during the Thatcher years all kinds of drugs were held back due to cost, and at the time everything moved slowly in the NHS.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Figures. The vaccine uptake can be the longest part at times, whereas research can go quite smoothly if you know what you're doing. As with many medical advances (see the current chimæric embryo R&D furore in the UK), the biggest complication is social acceptance and then you've got to factor in the costs even if people want it (look at Herceptin).

Anyway, all of these vaccines should be mandatory by law with non-compliance being punishable by social services seizing the children and a jail term.

[Gerald Tarrant]

I ran into this (a link to a Word Document by a guy who spends his time working on autism) Link

It's 14 pages long, so I just wanted to note a couple of paragraphs that looked pretty good

The most vigorous discussion at present surrounds the role of vaccines, and especially thimerosal, in causing autism. A number of persons and groups propose such a causative link, particularly regarding late onset autism. Space doesn’t allow a full discussion of that controversy here. However the most recent large-scale federal study by Thompson and colleagues (2007) concluded that thimerosal use in vaccines does not raise the risk of “neurological problems” in children. However that study did not assess the link between thimerosal and autism specifically; that separate study will be completed in one year. But a number of other earlier studies by other investigators that have failed to show a clear link between thimerosal and autism. Some other parents and groups vigorously disagree.

Several factors sway me away from the thimerosal link to autism. First, I saw cases of late onset autism well before there was an acceleration of vaccine schedules to their present levels. And in each of those cases the parents pointed toward some special event that in their mind was responsible for the onset of the regression. A full century earlier Dr. Down described cases of late onset autism well before there were any vaccination schedules at all. As I pointed out above, he ascribed that regression, temporally at least, to the ‘second dentition’. As a minimum, then, one would have to acknowledge that such regressive autism can occur with some trigger other than thimerosal; it cannot be the sole cause. Beyond that, now that thimerosal has been removed from almost all childhood vaccines (except flu vaccine) if thimerosal was linked to autism in a direct manner, then one should see the incidence of autism going down quite dramatically now that thimerosal no longer is present in vaccines. That does not appear to be happening in this country or other countries that either have removed thimerosal from vaccines, or never used it in vaccines as all. Granted, it may take some time to fully assess that data.

The full-scale Federal study specifically looking at the autism/thimerasol link due in this next year should provide a more definitive answer to that question, although there are those that will not trust any government funded or CDC allied study. They feel the government and drug industries have a vested monetary interest in not acknowledging any link between thimerosal and autism. Some implicate the ‘medical profession’ as well in a conspiracy cover-up. I can’t speak for the government or the drug industry, but I can say that if I, or my medical colleagues, did see a clear, indisputable link between thimerosal (or any harmful product) and autism we would be in the forefront to raise awareness of any such a link and advocate for a prompt remedy. That happened when it was discovered excess oxygen was producing the blindness from the retinopathy of prematurity; when birth defects were coming from thalidomide; and very recently when black box warnings were attached to certain anti-depressants in children and adolescents because of concerns about suicide in some such patients. There is no reason why I, or any of my colleagues, would sit on some important information about adverse effects of any product or procedure when those are clearly present and proven.

Also pertinent, though, in the possible vaccine/autism link is the immunologic theory regarding aggressive vaccination schedules and autism. These theories hold that it is not the thimerosal that produces a link between vaccines and autism, but rather it is the result of an overwhelmed immune system in some children that is the problem. There is an effort now to identify more ‘never vaccinated’ child populations in the U.S. and/or in other countries and such a sample, if large enough, should provide some answers to the overall vaccine/autism link, if it exists, with or without thimerosal.

Such studies should be carefully, and promptly carried out, because the fall-out from such causative speculation leads to decisions all parents have to make regarding immunizations for their children, with all the broad implications that immunization decisions by parents have on public health of all children more generally. Roush (2007) and colleagues point out that there has been a 92% decline in cases and a 99% or greater decline in deaths due to diseases prevented by vaccines recommended before 1980 for diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus. Smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. Declines were 80% or greater for cases of most vaccine-preventable diseases targeted since 1980 including hepatitis A, hepatitis Hib and varicella. Declines in cases and deaths of invasive S. pneumoniae were 34% and 25%. They conclude “The number of cases of most vaccine-preventable diseases is at an all time low; hospitalizations and deaths have also shown striking decreases.”

(part of pgs 7-8 of the linked article)

[Aaron]

Hm, I hadn't heard about the CP vaccine. Looks like my kids will get off easy.

Both my kids have, it came out about five or six years ago. Its free in Ontario but not part of the vaccination schedule. You'd probably have to pay for it, it was 50$ here when it wasn't covered.

[Knife]

Yeah, all my kids have had it so its been around for quite a while now. I didn't get it, though, and had my bought of the pox in my mid teens.

[Broomstick]

One of the best things about the chicken pox vaccine is not that children can now escape the disease - although that is a good thing - but adults who never had this illness as children can now be vaccinated and protected. Chicken pox is much more severe and can even be fatal in adults, so this is no small thing.

[Kodiak]

I'm pleased to report that my little Ruby is now totally up-to-date on her vaccinations. I was shocked, however, that one of my wife's friends does NOT vaccinate her daughter because of the supposed autism link. Are there any to-the-point articles I can show her to help her understand the gamble she's taking w/ her daughter's well-being?

[Cairber]

CDC page on vaccines and autism:

CDC

Webmd nice collection of studies debunking the theory:

webmd

[Chardok]

“I refuse to sacrifice my children for the greater good,” said Sybil Carlson, whose 6-year-old son goes to school with several of the children hit by the measles outbreak here. The boy is immunized against some diseases but not measles, Ms. Carlson said, while his 3-year-old brother has had just one shot, protecting him against meningitis.

“When I began to read about vaccines and how they work,” she said, “I saw medical studies, not given to use by the mainstream media, connecting them with neurological disorders, asthma and immunology.”

Ms. Carlson said she understood what was at stake. “I cannot deny that my child can put someone else at risk,” she said.

This fucking stupid shit is why there should be a test administered before allowing people the PRIVILEDGE to breed.

[KlavoHunter]

One of the best things about the chicken pox vaccine is not that children can now escape the disease - although that is a good thing - but adults who never had this illness as children can now be vaccinated and protected. Chicken pox is much more severe and can even be fatal in adults, so this is no small thing.

Wait, you mean adults can safely receive the CP vaccination?

MOST excellent.

[Admiral Valdemar]

This fucking stupid shit is why there should be a test administered before allowing people the PRIVILEDGE to breed.

I hear vaccines are really ACTUAL VIRUS being injected into you! Can you believe that shit? The government wants to kill us all!

That shits gotta fuck with your immunolology.

[Broomstick]

One of the best things about the chicken pox vaccine is not that children can now escape the disease - although that is a good thing - but adults who never had this illness as children can now be vaccinated and protected. Chicken pox is much more severe and can even be fatal in adults, so this is no small thing.

Wait, you mean adults can safely receive the CP vaccination?

MOST excellent.

Well, sure, why not?

Approval was sought for children first, since there are far more children who have never had it than adults who haven't, but yeah, it can be given to adults.

[Johonebesus]

Does it also protect against the Shingles? Given the way the virus works on the nerves even after having Chicken Pox, I would doubt it, but you never know.

[Broomstick]

The only way to truly avoid shingles is to never have chicken pox. If you get the vaccine before you catch CP then you won't have to worry about shingles. But - to the best of my knowledge - if you've had CP then the vaccine won't help prevent shingles.

[Johonebesus]

I just figured that since immunity to Chicken Pox doesn't prevent the Shingles, the vaccine might not do any good either. If you get the virus into your system, the vaccine would prevent a normal outbreak of Pox, but would it stop the virus from settling in your nerves and eventually giving you the Shingles?

[Superman]

I just figured that since immunity to Chicken Pox doesn't prevent the Shingles, the vaccine might not do any good either. If you get the virus into your system, the vaccine would prevent a normal outbreak of Pox, but would it stop the virus from settling in your nerves and eventually giving you the Shingles?

Okay, you're basically at risk for shingles if you've had chicken pox in the past, and the the chicken pox vaccine itself might also be a risk factor. The reason being that shingles is actually a secondary outbreak of the chicken pox virus. So no, the vaccine is probably not going to prevent the virus from settling in the immune system.

[Superman]

Hit "send" too soon.

I was going to say that I said "probably not going to prevent" because the vaccine is relatively new, and shingles tends to develop in elderly populations... The overwhelming evidence would show that it is a risk factor for shingles. That doesn't mean that the vaccination should be avoided though, chicken pox can lead to serious problems, especially in children.

[Dave]

Remember Folks! This is what McCain stands for! Four years without vaccinations!

Link to SDN Post

Well, ok, not quite, but he really needs to get his facts straight.

[Wyrm]

I'm waiting for the next big measles outbreak taking out a good chunk of these dumbfucks' kids. It'll happen, sooner or later.

Then they will change their tune. Oh yes they will.

And they can pay for their child-sized coffins themselves. If they can slap a class-action suit against the ass-shits who started this mess, then I'm all for that.

[[R_H]]

Just saw this in the latest BBC headlines

MMR doctor to begin his defence

The doctor who first linked the MMR vaccine to increased risk of autism is due to defend his reputation at a General Medical Council hearing.

Dr Andrew Wakefield, along with two colleagues, is charged with serious professional misconduct.

His research paper, published in the Lancet in 1998 but since disowned by the journal, sparked widespread fears that the MMR triple jab was unsafe.

The current hearing focuses on alleged irregularities in his research methods.

Dr Wakefield is accused of violating ethical guidelines, and of acting against the clinical interests of the children who took part in his trial.

It is alleged that he took blood samples from children at a birthday party while offering financial inducements.

He is also accused of acting dishonestly in failing to disclose to the Lancet that he was advising solicitors acting for parents who had alleged their children had been damaged by MMR.

A further charge relates to his alleged failure to disclose his involvement in a patent application for a potential single measles vaccine.

The GMC hearing will not examine the safety of MMR, designed to protect against measles, mumps and rubella.

The scientific community has repeatedly stressed that the vaccine is safe, and several large authoritative studies have comprehensively dismissed any link between MMR and autism.

However, a crisis of public confidence in the vaccine in the wake of Dr Wakefield's original research saw vaccination levels fall, with experts warning that children were being exposed to a raised risk of measles.

Although the infection is usually mild, it can be serious, and in rare cases life threatening.

If found guilty of serious professional misconduct, Dr Wakefield faces being struck off the medical register.

Also facing professional misconduct charges are Professor John Walker-Smith, and Professor Simon Murch.

What a shithead.

[Oskuro]

Come on, the is a direct relationship between vaccines and neurological complications, the proof is right before our eyes... After all, these parents were probably vaccinated back in the day, and their behavior clearly indicates massive brain damage.


It always irks me how these types seem to consider children as possessions to be played with.

[Raesene]

Austrian news announced that a school in Salzburg has been closed because of a measles outbreak - 91 cases since monday.

Not really surprising, it's an alternative education system school wehere many parents reject vaccination . A similar outbreak in a comparable school happened in Bavaria in 2007.

[[R_H]]

Austrian news announced that a school in Salzburg has been closed because of a measles outbreak - 91 cases since monday.

Not really surprising, it's an alternative education system school wehere many parents reject vaccination . A similar outbreak in a comparable school happened in Bavaria in 2007.

Wow. There's been quite a few cases of measles here in Switzerland too. Since the beginning of the year there've been >800 cases of it, and between the 18th and 25th of March there were ~60 new cases (country wide).