Clinton caught in Bosnia lie

[brianeyci]

So what? Obama has “misspoken” at least 10 times that I can think of (and so has McCain).

That's assuming that Hillary really did misspoke and not baldfaced lied. Why do you cover yourself with quotes?

Sinbad comes out and says the trip wasn't under any danger.

Later in the week, Hillary dismisses Sinbad as a comedian and makes specific claims of things that did not happen.

1. Sniper fire.

2. Running into an airport building or a convoy.

3. No meet and greet ceremony.

First of all, she wasn't under any sniper fire. It's the kind of thing you remember. Second of all, she was walking as leisurely as possible, talking with troops and shaking their hands. Thirdly, she hugged and kissed a little girl. She talks about all this shit she did, over a minute or two. It was not a Freudian slip, but a vivid recollection. She even made a claim that all the passengers of the C-17 were instructed to sit on bulletproof vests.

If Obama "misspoke" then Hillary "misspoke" times a hundred. It was not a slip of the tongue or a faulty recollection. It was not even a slight distortion. It was a baldfaced outright series of lies crafted to make her appear to be a war hero, because she couldn't take the criticism of Sinbad.

Think about that.

[Shroom Man 777]

But Obama has evil body language and bad posture. He slouches.

I will not provide quotes or citations to back up this unwarranted sniping of Senator Barack Hussein Obama.

You have misspoken.

[FSTargetDrone]

Besides, does anyone with at least 2 functioning brain cells think that the Secret Service or the Military or whoever was guarding Clinton on that Bosnian trip would allow her to walk around in the open if they were even moderately concerned about sniper fire?

[Kodiak]

her story as of Monday:

"Now let me tell you what I can remember, OK -- because what I was told was that we had to land a certain way and move quickly because of the threat of sniper fire. So I misspoke -- I didn't say that in my book or other times but if I said something that made it seem as though there was actual fire -- that's not what I was told," she told the newspaper.

"I was told we had to land a certain way, we had to have our bulletproof stuff on because of the threat of sniper fire. I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her -- so I greeted her, I took her stuff and then I left. Now that's my memory of it."

So, even though nobody else remembers any of this, she "Remembers":
1. Threat of sniper fire
2. Being informed os said threat
3. Wearing bulletproof "stuff"
4. Being forced to greet an 8-year-old girl who was standing out in the open in the middle of a warzone.

Can she get any more stupid or dishonest? Just come out and say you were remembering a different time! Say you embellished! We can all tell it's a lie, but it's disconcerting that you "remember" things that never happen! What do we do when she "remembers" doing things in the white house that didn't get done? Perhaps she's more senile than Reagan ever was. She's either crazy, senile, stupid, or a liar.

[Omega18]

Now it turns out she repeated the claim of actually being shot at on at least 4 occassions, and on multiple different dates. This is no mistatement.

She either has something so seriously medically wrong with her memory that she has no business being President of the United States or she was outright lying.

Those helpful folks at the Obama campaign say that's not exactly true either. Turns out there are at least four instances in which Clinton recalled the sniper fire that didn't happen. Here they are, after the jump:

MARCH 17: Clinton: "There Was No Greeting Ceremony, And We Basically Were Told To Run To Our Cars. Now, That Is What Happened." "Everyone else was told to sit on their bulletproof vests," Clinton said. "And we came in, in an evasive maneuver....There was no greeting ceremony, and we basically were told to run to our cars. Now, that is what happened." [CNN, 3/1708]


MARCH 17: Clinton, Speaking About Her Trip To Bosnia, Said "I Remember Landing Under Sniper Fire. There Was Supposed To Be Some Kind Of A Greeting Ceremony At The Airport, But Instead We Just Ran With Our Heads Down To Get Into Vehicles To Get To Our Base." Clinton: "Good morning. I want to thank Secretary West for his years of service, not only as Secretary of the Army, but also to the Veteran's Administration, to our men and women in uniform, to our country. I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia, and as Togo said, there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn't go, so send the First Lady. That's where we went. I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base. But it was a moment of great pride for me to visit our troops, not only in our main base as Tuzla, but also at two outposts where they were serving in so many capacities to deactivate and remove landmines, to hunt and seek out those who had not complied with the Dayton Accords and put down their arms, and to build relationships with the people that might lead to a peace for them and their children." [Clinton speech (remarks as delivered), 3/17/08]


FEBRUARY 29: Clinton Said That The Welcoming Ceremony In Bosnia "Had To Be Moved Inside Because Of Sniper Fire." "At the rally, she belittled the idea that Mr. Obama's 2002 speech 'at an antiwar rally' prepared him to serve as commander in chief. She said he was 'missing in action' on the recent Senate vote on Iran and as chairman of a subcommittee responsible for NATO policy in Afghanistan. Contrasting that with her own experience, she evoked foreign battlefields, recalling a trip to Bosnia as first lady, when the welcoming ceremony 'had to be moved inside because of sniper fire.' She said she had traveled to more than 80 countries and was 'on the front lines' as the United States made peace in Bosnia and Northern Ireland and helped save refugees from ethnic cleansing in Kosovo." [NYT, 3/1/08] VIDEO


DECEMBER 29: Clinton That When She Went To Bosnia, "We Landed In One Of Those Corkscrew Landings And Ran Out Because They Said There Might Be Sniper Fire." Clinton, in Dubuque, Iowa on December 29, 2007, said "I was so honored to be able to travel around the world representing our country. You know, going to places that often times were, you know, not necessarily a place that a president could go. We used to say in the White House that if a place was too dangerous, too small or too poor, send the first lady. So, I had the time of my life. I was the first, you know, high- profile American to go into Bosnia after the peace accords were signed because we wanted to show that the United States was 100 percent behind the agreement. We wanted to make it clear to the Bosnians of all backgrounds. Plus we wanted to thank our American military and our allies for a great job. So, we landed in one of those corkscrew landings and ran out because they said there might be sniper fire. I don't remember anybody offering me tea on the tarmac. We got there and went to the base where our soldiers were and I went out to a lot of the forward operating bases to thank our young men and women in uniform and to thank the Europeans, including the Russians who were part of that effort." [CNN, 1/1/08]

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/ ... ime-i.html

[Omega18]

Edit: I suppose not all of the statements directly claimed sniper fire, but they certainly don't remotely coincide with the video of Clinton getting off the plane and meeting dignataries and the 8 year old girl we've already seen. Its certainly not a matter of her "mispeaking" once but remembering the detail of the event perfectly.

[Durandal]

I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her -- so I greeted her, I took her stuff and then I left.

What, so she mugged the 8 year-old girl?

[Max]

So what? Obama has “misspoken” at least 10 times that I can think of (and so has McCain).

That's assuming that Hillary really did misspoke and not baldfaced lied. Why do you cover yourself with quotes?

Because it’s only “misspoken/speaking” when it’s not an intentional fabrication. You haven’t ‘misspoke’ if you paint a vivid picture of running through sniper fire and imagining a ceremony that didn’t happened as you describe. That is a flat out lie. Call a spade a spad, and a tool a tool. Speaking of which...

What did Obama "misspoke"?

Did Fox News catch him slipping into ebonics?

Or did he misspeak with his body language? See, I heard him misspeak with the way he stood and gesticulate, in an audio file. Man. It was like he was craving to pork a white woman with his black man meat. With his misspoken body language. Between his legs. (His penis)

He will break Hillery's water.

Rezko (Only 75k, to 125k, to oops 250k)
Wright (first saying he didnt hear those comments and then saying he did)
He overstated his helping residents of Altgeld Gardens fight the Chicago Housing Authority over asbestos removal. http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/02/sweet_column_di d_obama_take_to.html
Obama’s “concern” with mail in vote when he was the one that supported a 2007 bill that would allow mail in voting for the November election. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/12/151551/198
Obama’s misstatement about how he would “renounce” public financing as the Democrat candidate
Claiming he had more foreign policy advisers from the Clinton campaign and that he is more experienced than Bill Clinton http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/20 07/12/obama_contrasts_his_experience.html

They all do it, and should all be held to the same standards.

[Omega18]

Wright (first saying he didnt hear those comments and then saying he did)

This is not what Obama actually said.

He initially denied previously hearing the contraversial comments with regards to the SPECIFIC ONES SHOWN ON THE ONLINE VIDEOS which generated the initial major press reaction, which as far as we know is completely accurate. He later aknowledged that he had heard OTHER comments that could be viewed as contraversial and problematic by the Pastor on other occassions.

[General Zod]

Rezko (Only 75k, to 125k, to oops 250k)
Wright (first saying he didnt hear those comments and then saying he did)
He overstated his helping residents of Altgeld Gardens fight the Chicago Housing Authority over asbestos removal. http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/02/sweet_column_di d_obama_take_to.html
Obama’s “concern” with mail in vote when he was the one that supported a 2007 bill that would allow mail in voting for the November election. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/12/151551/198
Obama’s misstatement about how he would “renounce” public financing as the Democrat candidate
Claiming he had more foreign policy advisers from the Clinton campaign and that he is more experienced than Bill Clinton http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/20 07/12/obama_contrasts_his_experience.html

They all do it, and should all be held to the same standards.

Try using actual articles instead of a couple blogs (one of which is a broken link) and a questionable website who doesn't even provide quotes.

[brianeyci]

Because it’s only “misspoken/speaking” when it’s not an intentional fabrication. You haven’t ‘misspoke’ if you paint a vivid picture of running through sniper fire and imagining a ceremony that didn’t happened as you describe. That is a flat out lie. Call a spade a spad, and a tool a tool. Speaking of which...

So, you're saying that Clinton did not misspeak, but lied. And that Obama lied too, so people should not pay attention to Clinton lying?

You might want to rethink this childish idea that all politicians lie, therefore they should be all ignored when they do. So what indeed.

As for your link spam (tsk tsk) rather than explaining what Obama lied about, I can only conclude that you think all lies are the same magnitude. Some of your links aren't even lies.

[Max]

Because it’s only “misspoken/speaking” when it’s not an intentional fabrication. You haven’t ‘misspoke’ if you paint a vivid picture of running through sniper fire and imagining a ceremony that didn’t happened as you describe. That is a flat out lie. Call a spade a spad, and a tool a tool. Speaking of which...

So, you're saying that Clinton did not misspeak, but lied. And that Obama lied too, so people should not pay attention to Clinton lying?

You might want to rethink this childish idea that all politicians lie, therefore they should be all ignored when they do. So what indeed.

As for your link spam (tsk tsk) rather than explaining what Obama lied about, I can only conclude that you think all lies are the same magnitude. Some of your links aren't even lies.

Go back an re-read. I didn't say that they should be ignored. I said that they should all be held to the same standard.

As far as the links being broken, there was a space added where it shouldn't have. shrug

[brianeyci]

Go back an re-read. I didn't say that they should be ignored. I said that they should all be held to the same standard.

As far as the links being broken, there was a space added where it shouldn't have. shrug

That's your revision. You said "so what" like it wasn't a big deal. Like a dumb teenage twat who couldn't be bothered to pay attention to politics because all politicians are liars.

If you have an axe to grind over how the media or people are going too easy on Obama, make a new thread is my suggestion. Otherwise, I don't see the point in bringing up other people's lies, as if it makes this any less of a lie.

[K. A. Pital]

Hey, I love the media and SDN compared.

SDN: "Clinton caught in Bosnia lie"
BBC: "Clinton pressed over Bosnia claim"

Read your news on SDN and you'd be spared from vague headers.

[HemlockGrey]

And of course, after being silent on the subject for a couple of weeks Clinton now decides that it is the proper time to come forward and discuss the pressing issues raised by the Jeremiah Wright videos. Fascinating timing.

[CaptainChewbacca]

[Mr. Coffee]

Hillary lied about something? Pshaw... Next you'll tell me that they didn't find WMDs in Iraq. Oh, wait...

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Outstanding.

[Kodiak]

Hillary-arious, chewie. That totally reminds me of a movie w/ Christopher Walken where he's trying to assassinate a presidential candidate who uses a baby as a shield. I'm vague on the details, but I clearly remember the picture of martin sheen hiding behind a baby on some magazine and them his character eating the barrel of a gun. Life imitates art, or something.

[Durandal]

And of course, after being silent on the subject for a couple of weeks Clinton now decides that it is the proper time to come forward and discuss the pressing issues raised by the Jeremiah Wright videos. Fascinating timing.

Well she had to stay under protective guard for two weeks because of all the sniper fire, obviously.

[General Zod]

Go back an re-read. I didn't say that they should be ignored. I said that they should all be held to the same standard.

As far as the links being broken, there was a space added where it shouldn't have. shrug

Utterly retarded golden mean horseshit. Not all lies or "misrememberings" are created equally and you have to be total imbecile to not recognize this.

[brianeyci]

This lie is huge, because it's related to her claim of superior foreign policy experience. Experience is the foundation of Clinton's campaign, while Obama's is change or the broomstick candidate.

The equivalent on Obama's side would be a revelation coming out that Obama opposed removing troops from Iraq at one point or another, or supports corporate lobbyists in Washington. Anything that hints that Obama supports the status quo would torpedo his campaign, just like anything that hints that Clinton's experience is a load of shit has torpedoed hers.

Not that Clinton had a chance even without this lie coming out, but what the fuck was she thinking making such an obvious, blatant lie? If she keeps shooting herself in the foot, she's an awful politician and everybody thinking of supporting her should be wary on that alone, even without seeing her platform. The last thing the country needs is another 4 years of Bush lite. Next, it really shows a lot about her character, her comtempt for the American people not to see through this lie. It was a long winded story designed to make her seem like a war hero, and there's no way she can defeat McCain with a made up story about sniper fire.

This is as big as a lie as possible, only short of hiding a criminal past.

[Cosmic Average]

Obama’s “concern” with mail in vote when he was the one that supported a 2007 bill that would allow mail in voting for the November election. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/12/151551/198

Yeah, I just want to address this. One of Obama's concerns about the primary mail-in votes was that there's only a few weeks to actually organize a redo in Michigan and Florida, which obviously wouldn't be a problem for the November vote when you have more than a year to plan it out....

Hillary-arious, chewie. That totally reminds me of a movie w/ Christopher Walken where he's trying to assassinate a presidential candidate who uses a baby as a shield. I'm vague on the details, but I clearly remember the picture of martin sheen hiding behind a baby on some magazine and them his character eating the barrel of a gun. Life imitates art, or something.

That would be The Dead Zone, adapted from a Stephen King book.

[Vympel]

I'm waiting for them to dig up the girl from the tarmac in Bosnia, who is now legal and totally hot.

Purely for investigative reasons, of course.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I'm waiting for them to dig up the girl from the tarmac in Bosnia, who is now legal and totally hot.

Purely for investigative reasons, of course.

Somehow, her last name was redacted from all memoranda released by the Clinton campaign relating to this trip.

Somehow.

[Patrick Degan]

Sometimes I wonder if Hillary is determined to prove just how unqualified she really is for the White House?